Shuttle Enterprise to New York April 23rd, 2012

[Speedbird1]

Thanks for posting this great information. It is very helpful.

[Speedbird1]

There was a depressing editorial in a recent NY Daily News regarding the Shuttles being placed into museums. While we are all celebrating, we must remember the sad thought that this is a funeral for the US Space Program. We now have no way to send astronauts up to Skylab and must pay Russia exhorbitant fees to do so for us; how humiliating! Hopefully, we will return to space one day. Like you, I am thrilled to again see the Enterprise fly over NYC as I did back on June 10,1983 while she was returning from the Paris Air Show to advertise America's leadership in Space.

[Speedbird1]

True. The Concorde was kept in Brooklyn at Aviator Sports Complex in deplorable conditions. Day camps used her to play handball off her frame. Birds were allowed to defecate and nest in her engine nacelles. The promise to allowe visitors aboard never materialized. One night, a bus from a Jamaican festival clipped the nose and left it there. The radome was finally replaced by British Airways but nobody has any information about the repairs. Was it the same radome or a new one? If a new one, what happened to the original? What happened to the 3 Olympus 393 engines? One is on display at the Intrepid; where are the others?

[Speedbird1]

The Intrepid used to have an actual El Al B707 cockpit but suddenly removed it. I heard it went to a air museum in Long Island.

[Speedbird1]

I used to make plastic models of aircraft in my youth. I recall Revell made a kit of the Shuttle atop the B747. I made the model over 2 decades ago and I can't find it. The scale was 1/200. Nowadays, plastic model kits of aircraft have gone the way of VHS and Kodacolor film. Models were such fun to build and cheap as well.

[Speedbird1]

Great information. You guys are amazing. Now, I am unsure where to spot Wed. morning. My original plans have changed. I want to stay at Battery Park since if it's clear you could clearly see the maneveurs around the Statue and Newark but will miss the actual landing on 31L at JFK. Bayswater would be best but then I would miss the fly-by the Statue. Wish I could be in 4 places at the same time. I'm sure you guys will post excellent photos and videos of the landing.

[moose135]

The Intrepid used to have an actual El Al B707 cockpit but suddenly removed it. I heard it went to a air museum in Long Island.
It's on display at the Cradle of Aviation in Garden City.

http://www.moose135photography.com/Long-Island/Cradle-of-Aviation-Museum/JM20070828LISMS008/189552406_vRnwx-L-2.jpg



Nowadays, plastic model kits of aircraft have gone the way of VHS and Kodacolor film.
Tell that to the hundreds of people we expect to attend our plastic model show at the American Airpower Museum in two weeks.

[Speedbird1]

Thanks for posting the charts showing the 2 possible paths. I am confused as to the meaning of the colors, red, blue and green. What are their significance ? Also, in the North Flow Proposal, there is no fly-by over northern Brooklyn. Is that correct? Both proposals seem to indicate 2 fly-overs for the Statue. Is that possible? The charts are fascinating but confusing to a non-pilot.

[Tom_Turner]

Very informative. Thank you. I plan to be at Battery Park Wed. AM to see the fly-by over the Statue. I saw the exact same fly-by back in June 1983; it was awesome but I had no camera.

Apparently (almost) no one did. Just like the dozen or so times concorde landed at EWR. At least going by what is published on the web. You get to around 2000 and all that changes....

[Tom_Turner]

I agree. Those 3 displaced historic aircraft could have been placed on the pier in front of Concorde; there's plenty of room. This has happened before. Intrepid used to display an El Al 707 cockpit but it got shipped-off to I believe a museum in Long Island. Maybe they were scared it would offend terrorists. Sadly, there's no chance that MIG-15 will ever be returned. Remember what they did to the Edson?

Yes, that was very unfortunate. The museum really should've been allowed to gobble up another pier; there just isn't enough space at their disposal to meet their ambitions.

[Tom_Turner]

OK, well, by popular demand, to repeat what has already been asked... WHAT DAY IS IT ARRIVING??? :smile:

[Tom_Turner]

I posted last week that there was a problem with the weather forecasted for April 23 and several resonders laughed at me. They should check first before making a fellow aviation enthusiast sound like a fool. I was trying to be helpful to those changing plans for Monday. I was also mocked when Kids Day got cancelled back in Sept. a few years ago. We must try to get along and be helpful on this wonderful site. We have enough problems these days with the authorities when doing our spotting!

Is it okay to call you "Rain Man"? No.. just kidding... you were right. No one should ever discount a bad weather forecasts for Large Outdoor Events in NYC - they seem to happen more often than not. Fingers crossed I get to see this one at all....

[wunaladreamin]

OK, well, by popular demand, to repeat what has already been asked... WHAT DAY IS IT ARRIVING??? :smile:
Preach on sister!!!

[wunaladreamin]

Hearing there will be a meeting for the rescheduling tomorrow, and flight will take place no earlier than 4/25.

If its one day after that, I won't be able to make it out so my fingers are crossed for Wednesday.

[wunaladreamin]

Meeting will happen at 1300hrs on Monday.

[gonzalu]

Tom, Kenny, what day is the shuttle arriving in Washington? :tongue:

[wunaladreamin]

Manny...I can't put together the right characters to form a middle finger aimed in your direction lol.

[gonzalu]

Tom I have a feeling you'll be around. I mean, how could [you] of all people miss this event? Seems to me you and Art have been present for most of the historic or rare moments in NYC aviation history for the past umpteen years :P Every time I look up a cool old photo from JFK it is either Art, or you or Raj lol...

[PhilDernerJr]

I would have rather seen the Cradle get the shuttle over the Intrepid....their space exhibit is very impressive.

[gonzalu]

I would have rather seen the Cradle get the shuttle over the Intrepid....their space exhibit is very impressive.

Can you imagine your typical tourist going out there to the Cradle? It would be insane confusion :-) Is there an easy ride out on LIRR or similar? Intrepid maies a lot of sense if only the 43rd/44th st proximity to Times Sq and all there is to do nearby. Also walkable for most...

[moose135]

It's Long Island, Manny, we don't need no stinkin' public transportation! There are about half a dozen stations within a couple of miles of the Cradle, with Carle Place being the closest, more than a mile away. There may be some bus service, as Nassau Community College is right next door, and I do see county buses there, but I don't know how convenient it is.

[AirtrafficController]

Based on this TFR from ZNY, it appears that the Shuttle flight has been rescheduled for Wednesday, April 25th:
http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_2_5447.html

[wunaladreamin]

Notice!

[yankees368]

Hopefully the weather holds up this time. Holding my breath for the official announcement.

[Tom_Turner]

True. The Concorde was kept in Brooklyn at Aviator Sports Complex in deplorable conditions. Day camps used her to play handball off her frame. Birds were allowed to defecate and nest in her engine nacelles. The promise to allowe visitors aboard never materialized. One night, a bus from a Jamaican festival clipped the nose and left it there. The radome was finally replaced by British Airways but nobody has any information about the repairs. Was it the same radome or a new one? If a new one, what happened to the original? What happened to the 3 Olympus 393 engines? One is on display at the Intrepid; where are the others?

Hey Speedbird... can you imagine if the Shuttle slips off the barge and into the Bay? That would top the concorde losing its nose wouldn't it? I can imagine the headlines... could probably only be topped by "Hindenburg explodes on the deck of the Titanic"

[Tom_Turner]

Yeah...and that's honestly one of the thing I think is going to be train wreck for expectations, one being the 'pay extra to see the shuttle' where other museums include the shuttle with everything else. (Again, Air and Space museum is free admission to both buildings, and Kennedy is $45 a person plus a whole host of other stuff including a bus tour included.) The other being it seems to kind of ruin the experience of being on a carrier if you build an extra structure on the flight deck. It goes from 'what this would look like at sea' to something else entirely. Especially if it's on the spot where you'd usually say 'wow, THIS is all the space a pilot has to land on?'

But, what can you do. They're gonna do what they're gonna do.

Yeah, but "other museums" were never featured in a Cher video....

[MORS-AB-ALTO]

Hey Speedbird... can you imagine if the Shuttle slips off the barge and into the Bay? That would top the concorde losing its nose wouldn't it?

NO...Imagine if the Shuttle knocks the nose off the Concorde while they hoist it into position on the Intrepid!

[moose135]

NO...Imagine if the Shuttle knocks the nose off the Concorde while they hoist it into position on the Intrepid!

Things would come full circle...and some people's heads would literally explode! You know, i might pay good money to see that!

[Perriwen]

NO...Imagine if the Shuttle knocks the nose off the Concorde while they hoist it into position on the Intrepid!

Or if they drop the shuttle onto the Concorde...which then sinks the barge dragging them both down with it, and the Concorde's nose gets knocked off by a structure as they go bluby-blubblub.

[moose135]

Of course, the bubble wrap on the shuttle will protect it...

[nexpos]

I'm impatient! Everyone think it will be Wednesday?

[wunaladreamin]

Waiting on official word from NASA!

[moose135]

I have the ferry flight status page open:
http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/ferry/status.html (http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/ferry/status.html)

And even though it says Text updates will appear automatically; there is no need to reload the page. I keep hitting refresh every 2 minutes...

[ch2tdriver]

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/Slide1.jpg

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/Slide2.jpg

Does anyone know if this flight plan is true to what will happen? I'm most interested in the approach from North to South before lining up with Rwy 31L.

If this happens the route will fly directly over Nassau Colliseum and my office! I will have a front row seat from RXR Plaza!

[pgengler]

If the weather cooperates as forecasters expect, the space shuttle Enterprise will take her piggyback ferryflight ride from Dulles International Airport outside the nation's capital to the John F. Kennedy International Airport in New York City on Wednesday morning.

So sayeth Spaceflight Now (http://www.spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/ferry/status.html)

[steve1840]

So......it looks like we're still in the dark until tomorrow morning when they look at the forecast again...

[jlaico1]

Does anyone know if this flight plan is true to what will happen? I'm most interested in the approach from North to South before lining up with Rwy 31L.

If this happens the route will fly directly over Nassau Colliseum and my office! I will have a front row seat from RXR Plaza!

You will have a nice view the only thing that can foul you up is the smoke plumes that come out of the COVANTA incinerator. They are located right next door to Nick Falzone and the crew at N90.

I'm thinking about planting myself somewhere near the Eisenhower Park Special Activities Building or the parking lot across the street as I have been shut out at KJFK.

[wunaladreamin]

On nasa's website...wx permitting its Wednesday!

[yankees368]

Word on the street is the Wednesday is now official...

[moose135]

Word on the street is the Wednesday is now official...
Well, the word from NASA is that Wednesday is official...but again, it all depends on the weather. Today was official at one point too...

[alberchico]

Intrepid just confirmed that the ceremony will indeed take place Wednesday....

[Matt Molnar]

Wednesday still tentative. NASA will hold another weather briefing tomorrow morning.



WASHINGTON --NASA managers, in coordination with Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum officials, tentatively selected Wednesday, April 25 as the date to ferry space shuttle Enterprise from Washington’s Dulles International Airport to New York City’s John F. Kennedy International Airport.

The decision was made at the conclusion of the Enterprise Ferry Flight Readiness Review (FRR) and is dependent on the outcome of a weather briefing Tuesday morning.

A large region of low pressure dominating the east coast has made it difficult to reliably predict an acceptable day for the flight.


No rain or wind problems currently expected Wednesday, but mostly cloudy to overcast conditions could mess things up if the clouds get too low.

[NickPeterman]

I just wish they'd tell me which runway they will use at Dulles so that I can get set up to watch her leave :)

[Perriwen]

Of course, the bubble wrap on the shuttle will protect it...

That's the thing about water...it always wins. So does gravity. So, if you drop something heavy on something hard, it breaks. :D

[threeholerglory]

shucks...if it's wednesday or thursday i'm toast =(

[gpalz1]

Got this pic from my sister-in-law today. Her boss's daughter friend took this while she was taxiing around Dulles this morning.

http://www.gpalz.com/photo.jpg

[Strike]

Hello,

So, if the North proposal/plan would happen, is it true that JFK would only get the landing, no fly by? In the first post with the plan it mentions JFK getting both flyby and landing no matter what, is that not happening now?

Thanks

[Zee71]

Great image gpalz for your sister-in-law.

[JohnJ]

So is 31L set in stone? If the sun happens to be out the lighting will not be good in that case, nearly directly tail-on between 10 and 11. 22L lighting would be MUCH better that time of day. Perhaps some good cloud cover would be of benefit if they use the 31s.

[Matt Molnar]

Hello,

So, if the North proposal/plan would happen, is it true that JFK would only get the landing, no fly by? In the first post with the plan it mentions JFK getting both flyby and landing no matter what, is that not happening now?

Thanks
It shows a JFK flyby on the map as well. Hmm.

[yankees368]

I'm not liking the current forecast for Wednesday. Around 11am looks like 20% chance of precip with 14MPH winds from the west with 76% cloud cover.

[moose135]

So, if the North proposal/plan would happen, is it true that JFK would only get the landing, no fly by? In the first post with the plan it mentions JFK getting both flyby and landing no matter what, is that not happening now?
Considering they did about four extra low approaches at IAD, there's no telling what they will end up doing when they get to JFK.

[puckstopper55]

You will have a nice view the only thing that can foul you up is the smoke plumes that come out of the COVANTA incinerator. They are located right next door to Nick Falzone and the crew at N90.

I'm thinking about planting myself somewhere near the Eisenhower Park Special Activities Building or the parking lot across the street as I have been shut out at KJFK.

Not a bad idea, but maybe the coliseum parking lot will be better? What time is this expected to go down?

[Speedbird1]

I also saw the forecast. for Wed. and it's not good. Besides the 20% chance of rain, I'm also concerned about the cloud cover and the gusty WSW winds shifting to the NW. Hope we don't have to endure
another delay . The Thurs. forecast is not much better. Fri. looks OK. Strange, because until last week, NYC had vivid blue skies everyday. How will we know if there's another delay tomorrow?

[moose135]

How will we know if there's another delay tomorrow?
NASA is holding a flight review meeting this morning, and they will update the status after that. Stay tuned...

[Speedbird1]

What is the purpose if there's a JFK fly-by? Is it to check wind and ceiling conditions? On 1 map, it shows 2 fly-bys over the Statue, when she flies north over the Hudson and then after returning before turning west to EWR. Now, they expect a weather problem on Thurs. morning, Remember all the vivid blue skies we had last week and warm temps? Now we pay the price!

[LGA777]

My guess is Friday, forecast looks very very good.

[pgengler]

Not liking the KJFK TAF:


KJFK 241131Z 2412/2518 23018G26KT P6SM SCT025 BKN040
FM241300 23022G29KT P6SM SCT070 SCT150
FM241800 21025G32KT P6SM BKN070
FM242300 24019G26KT P6SM BKN070
FM250300 25012KT P6SM SCT120
FM251300 27016G23KT P6SM SCT025 BKN050

[ch2tdriver]

Not a bad idea, but maybe the coliseum parking lot will be better? What time is this expected to go down?

Jlaico,

This is awesome news. I take it that 'N90' refers to the NY Tracon over by Stewart Ave? I work in the west tower of RXR Plaza on the 8th floor, which gives me sweeping views of NYC skyline and the Colisseum parking lot. IF they cut inside of the incinerator and aim for the colisseum to head south for the 31L final, then I will have a front row seat. IF the stay right over the Tracon and the park I'll have to walk over to the north side of the office for the head on view till it disappears over the roof.

If there is an approx time then I can run outside. I wonder if the folks at the Cradle museum know this is going down right over their heads!

[wunaladreamin]

Seeing tweets that it's gonna be Friday but nothing from NASA. Can anybody advise?

[NickPeterman]

Considering they did about four extra low approaches at IAD, there's no telling what they will end up doing when they get to JFK.

We got two Flyby's, one at the very beginning, one at the end, and then the full stop landing. I'm not sure if they'll be able to interrupt JFK Ops with 2 flybys and the landing...

[steve1840]

We got two Flyby's, one at the very beginning, one at the end, and then the full stop landing. I'm not sure if they'll be able to interrupt JFK Ops with 2 flybys and the landing...

I don't see why they couldn't. Afterall, the time period that the shuttle/sca is due to arrive during is the "slow period" of the day at JFK. Well, at least as far as my experiences go there..

[wunaladreamin]

Seeing tweets that it's gonna be Friday but nothing from NASA. Can anybody advise?

Anyone???

[moose135]

No update on the Ferry Flight page: http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/ferry/status.html

[steve1840]

No update on the Ferry Flight page: http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/ferry/status.html

yeah....I've had page open all morning and eventhough it says it updates automatically, I find myself refreshing the page every 3 mins. Definitely getting anxious for some info..

[moose135]

We got two Flyby's, one at the very beginning, one at the end, and then the full stop landing. I'm not sure if they'll be able to interrupt JFK Ops with 2 flybys and the landing...
They are going to close the airspace while the SCA is in the area - another few minutes (OK, 10 or 15 minutes) won't be the end of the world. If they ask for a couple extra flybys, I don't thing the tower will say no.

"Negative Ghostrider, the pattern is full..."

[LGA777]

Yesterday CBS 880AM Radio had a nice short interview with a retired Commander from the 747 SCA and he seemed very much still in touch with this project and he made it sound like the number 1 priority was protecting the Enterprise from rain and winds during the ferry flight so they would hold out for very good forecasted weather not borderline with their limits to assure the Shuttle arrives damage free. This seemed much more important than the date on the calender, I still say Friday tentative my 2 cents. LGA777

[Speedbird1]

Friday seems to be the best date but spring weather is very unpredictable. Keep fingers crossed. Safety first!

[mirrodie]

WEDNESDAY has been cancelled.

Huge news.

Intrepid is now clearing the entire deck of its inventory to make room. The original mission has been scrubbed. Instead, the 747Shuttle piggyback pair will fly to NY.

Very exiciting new development! As we speak, the shuttle is being retrofitted with a hook for a deck landing on the Intrepid.

Then somewhere over the Hudson, the Orbiter will be air launched from the 747 and glided onto the deck and caught by the decades old barely functional arrestor cables. (In the event it skids past, real estate developers are keeping a keen eye on some new potential ground breaking right across the street from the carrier.)

We now return to your regularly random banter.

[wunaladreamin]

Mario do you have a source?

[moose135]

Mario do you have a source?
Yes, he pulled it out of his... :cool:

[Derf]

EYE!

[steve1840]

http://spaceflightnow.com/shuttle/ferry/status.htmljust posted on spaceflightnow.com

the ferry flight is postponned until at least friday.

[yankees368]

ARGHHHH!!!!!!!

[mirrodie]

My information comes from Leon Panetta and the CIC himself.

Its all part of the stimulus plan. Should the arrestor cables not hold, we'll lose the orbiter but gain jobs and more building industry downtown.

[emk1219]

if the weatherkeep acting like this till May 26 we can have the shuttle take part in theJones Beach Airshow....

[Chris S]

Yeah !!! I'm glad to hear they're waiting for better weather and clearer skies on Friday !!! :cool:

[steve1840]

I just wish they would have it arrive later in the day so that the sun would be lighting it from a good angle....

[gonzalu]

If I tell my boss ONE MORE TIME that I need to change my day off, I am gonna get fired :P

ugh!!!

[steve1840]

If I tell my boss ONE MORE TIME that I need to change my day off, I am gonna get fired :P

ugh!!!

I hear ya on that Manny. I think my bosses are getting tired of different emails from me saying that my day off has changed.

[moose135]

The boss said as long as I send her photos she can show her kids, I'm good to go. Of course, I'm flying to CLT on Saturday, so they better do this on Friday!

[FlyingColors]

ARGHHHH!!!!!!!

I second that!

[Speedbird1]

Friday is good. More time to charge my batteries. I'm retired so it doesn't really matter to me. Anyway the wind blows!

[sammers4247]

Crap crap crap is there any chance it could be mid-late afternoon on Friday? I could probably get to JFK by 3 after work but no sooner than that :( I'm personally hoping for a postponement to next week because I could go ANY day next week.

[DustinF]

My boss is done with me changing, but now I dont know if I can get to JFK area before 9am... flight is from 9-11 right ?

[steve1840]

Crap crap crap is there any chance it could be mid-late afternoon on Friday? I could probably get to JFK by 3 after work but no sooner than that :( I'm personally hoping for a postponement to next week because I could go ANY day next week.


My boss is done with me changing, but now I dont know if I can get to JFK area before 9am... flight is from 9-11 right ?

Correct, the arrival is tentatively scheduled to arrive between 9 and 11am.

[sammers4247]

Ah, it's out for me, then. :(

[wunaladreamin]

Shall we start the pool on when the next reschedule is gonna be for? This is getting absurd

[steve1840]

Shall we start the pool on when the next reschedule is gonna be for? This is getting absurd

December 2, 2019

[alberchico]

Man this is seriously getting annoying. Email from intrepid:

Tomorrow’s planned arrival of the space shuttle Enterprise has been postponed due to deteriorating weather forecasts. Forecast scenarios by NASA meteorologists no longer meet the minimum requirements to guarantee that the shuttle can be safely transported to New York on Wednesday morning. The safety of this historic icon and of the aircrew transporting her must be our paramount concern, therefore NASA and Intrepid together decided that it is best to postpone the operation.

We hope to be able to bring the shuttle in as soon as weather permits, possibly on Friday. We will contact you as soon as NASA and we have determined that conditions will allow for this move.

We appreciate your support and understanding and look forward to seeing you at the arrival celebration welcoming space shuttle Enterprise to New York.

[megatop412]

Nice! Maybe this thing will get delayed until I return to the area next week!:biggrin:

I can hope, can't I...

[alberchico]

If they wanted as many people as possible to see the shuttle fly over the city they might as well have scheduled it for the weekend. Its really pointless to do something like this on a weekday. And lets just hope when people see a 747 thundering low over the city we don't have a repeat of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0tMMYEkQU

[Vidiot]

I found a slideshow about the SCA on NASA's site: http://www.nasa.gov/externalflash/shuttlecarrier/

One thing I thought was interesting was the diagram of just where things will happen at JFK once they finally move the thing in here:

http://mlkshk.com/r/EXJA

I'm looking forward to Friday. I'm gonna be down in Red Hook to try to shoot the SCA over the Statue.

Question: if I bring my scanner, where would I hear the traffic for this? Would it be on the Approach frequency, or JFK tower? How do they coordinate that kind of thing?

[Tom_Turner]

Shall we start the pool on when the next reschedule is gonna be for? This is getting absurd

One more postponement and we'll just have to send this thing off to Texas!!

[Tom_Turner]

If they wanted as many people as possible to see the shuttle fly over the city they might as well have scheduled it for the weekend. Its really pointless to do something like this on a weekday. And lets just hope when people see a 747 thundering low over the city we don't have a repeat of this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jn0tMMYEkQU

It's the strangest thing, because not long before this incident a B52 (yes a B52) came down low over the harbor and the statue executing a large turn (albeit not in front of the office buildings in downtown Manhattan as close as the President's 747), and then proceeded north above the Hudson. Never did see a mention in the media before or after that I could find. It just came and went.

[wunaladreamin]

You know Tom, I can picture Perriwen sticking pins in a homemade rain cloud voodoo doll lol.

[Tom_Turner]

You know Tom, I can picture Perriwen sticking pins in a homemade rain cloud voodoo doll lol.

HA! Yes, I can imagine that as well. :) It's funny, but I just deleted an email invitation to see Men In Black lll at an exclusive preview at the Intrepid! It's like Frank Sinatra sang... "Start Spreading the News..."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqlJl1LfDP4

[Gerard]

http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/space-shuttle-enterprise-trip-york-delayed-friday-article-1.1066836

[Gerard]

From the FAA:

Pluto 98/99/ T-38's will depart either Stewart (SWF) or Republic (FRG) and will be taking photographs of the SCA for the duration of the flight. The aircraft will hold at CHANT prior to engaging with SCA.

.

Any more info on this? FRG??

[lijk604]

Have not seen nor heard a word.

[gpalz1]

HA! Yes, I can imagine that as well. :) It's funny, but I just deleted an email invitation to see Men In Black lll at an exclusive preview at the Intrepid! It's like Frank Sinatra sang...


Underneath the MIB invite they had the 27th as the tentative Shuttle arrival date. According to the their Shuttle page, the flyover will occur soon after 10am.

http://www.intrepidmuseum.org/shuttle/

I'm hoping for Saturday. That would be so sweeeeet.

George

[sammers4247]

Saturday would be absolutely awesome.

[Gerard]

Underneath the MIB invite they had the 27th as the tentative Shuttle arrival date. According to the their Shuttle page, the flyover will occur soon after 10am.


That works for me. I'll be at The Battery then can head up to work.

[Zee71]

Passed by the field this afternoon on the way home from work, and they were setting a few tents and bleachers by the de-icing tent.

[jlaico1]

Jlaico,

This is awesome news. I take it that 'N90' refers to the NY Tracon over by Stewart Ave? I work in the west tower of RXR Plaza on the 8th floor, which gives me sweeping views of NYC skyline and the Colisseum parking lot. IF they cut inside of the incinerator and aim for the colisseum to head south for the 31L final, then I will have a front row seat. IF the stay right over the Tracon and the park I'll have to walk over to the north side of the office for the head on view till it disappears over the roof.

If there is an approx time then I can run outside. I wonder if the folks at the Cradle museum know this is going down right over their heads!

N90 is the TRACON facility. I'm fairly convinced that from your vantage point you will have a great view. I discussed with BigTim earlier today and my only concern would be photographing through the UV glass. Our eyes can filter the image, our cameras don't do as good a job.

If all you are interested in is seeing then I think you have a great spot. If you are looking for the perfect photo you might want to move to a different spot.

As far as a time I would keep the NASA TV feed going on the work computer or some other mobile device and after the low pass a KLGA I would get myself into position.

As a side not the Cradle is overly silent on this, as a member I expected some sort of communication and I have received nothing as of yet.

I can't wait to see this. Saw it in 1982 when I was a wee little boy and I've been captivated by it ever since.

[Perriwen]

You know Tom, I can picture Perriwen sticking pins in a homemade rain cloud voodoo doll lol.

Nah, too simple. I'd do something with the GPS voodoo doll to lead them out over the Bermuda Triangle, then do a Bermuda Triangle voodoo doll to time jump them 100 years into the future. ;)

[NickPeterman]

I'm down with Friday. I'm off from work anyways... :)

[Speedbird1]

Saturday would be great but forecasters predict a chance of rain. Friday seems to be the day but things change. Of course, the Cradle Museum won't discuss this as it brings no publicity to their museum. Incidentally, what did the Cradle Museum do with the half-scale Times Square Concorde replica? I heard they hid it somewhere. For the record, Enterprise flew-over NYC back on June 10,1983 piggy-back aboard an SCA. She was returning from the 1983 Paris Air Show via Toronto. The sight was awesome as she flew by the VZ Bridge. I got goosebumps. She was showing-off America's lead in space exploration. Now, she's showing how we quit space exploration. Sad.

[Joe]

Of course it turned out to be a perfectly clear day today, albeit a little windy wind winds said to be in the 14MPH range. Friday's forecast calls for windier conditions, so we'll have to see if it happens. A weekend visit would be great as it would insure higher turnouts.

[fk6065]

I think they are more concerned with the tempeatures during the flight up from DC and potential icing and that is one of the causes of the delays.

But getting back to the arrival, we are pretty much set on 31-L, where is everyone going to be? I am still debating between Inwood and Bayswater.

Inwood will offer the closest look at the arrival but you will only have it for a few seconds.

Bayswater is further but offers a little nicer background and the tower.

I know some people have said Bayswate for the tower shot any other opinions or plans?

[Joe]

I plan on Bayswater for my locale.

[Derf]

S........Incidentally, what did the Cradle Museum do with the half-scale Times Square Concorde replica? I heard they hid it somewhere. .............

They have it in the hangar.... this has been discussed to death already. It would cost over 1million dollars for the pedestal to be built and in the end you have a MODEL of an airplane for a million dollars when you could have had a fleet of actual aircraft restored for the museum. It does not make any sense to put a Concorde up for that amount of money. Unless your diehard Concorde fanatics that do not follow the normal logic where a real plane would not be as desirable as a model of a failed airliner. Im just saying......

[Billbo1970]

a real plane would not be as desirable as a model of a failed airliner. Im just saying......

I wouldn't quite call the SST a failure... First flown in 1969, Concorde entered service in 1976 and continued commercial flights for 27 years.

I'm just saying... :cool: LOL


Bill

[steve1840]

I wouldn't quite call the SST a failure... First flown in 1969, Concorde entered service in 1976 and continued commercial flights for 27 years.

I'm just saying... :cool: LOL


Bill

.......and here we go......

[Derf]

I wouldn't quite call the SST a failure... First flown in 1969, Concorde entered service in 1976 and continued commercial flights for 27 years.

I'm just saying... :cool: LOL


Bill

No Bill, your wrong....

http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads/40376-Aviation-failures?highlight=concorde

Post in this thread after you read the entire thread... I want to hear why

It may raise your blood pressure, but it is true

[AirtrafficController]

NASA T38 just landed on 22L at Kennedy.

[steve1840]

I wonder which airport its going to relocate to....SWF or FRG?

[moose135]

So the current JFK ATIS says winds 190 @ 7, visibility 10 Miles, few clouds at 4,500, broken at 10,000 and 25,000 and the radar looks clear up the coast between DC and JFK. Tell me again why the flight was postponed? Lewis Black was right - Meteorologist is the Greek word for liar.

[steve1840]

You couldn't be any more right Moose....I had a feeling that today was going to be a perfect day to be down there watching her arrive.

[Billbo1970]

No Bill, your wrong....

http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads/40376-Aviation-failures?highlight=concorde

Post in this thread after you read the entire thread... I want to hear why

It may raise your blood pressure, but it is true

Well, I agree with this post:



I understand Fred wants to say Concorde was a financial failure. Otherwise it was successful on several fronts, the most prominent being technology.


Financially, yes... it was a failure & did not meet expectations... or even come close. But the advances in technology & all of the data learned in developing this aircraft are invaluable. It was also physically a success in that it worked, and flew for 27 years. Only the rich & famous could afford to fly it, but it did in fact fly.

Anyone read the latest popular science? It appears that there will be a few new SST's coming out in 2025, 2030, & 2035 (if target dates are met... which is doubtful). They are economical, green, & far less noisy. Go grab the issue if you haven't read it!

Bill

[Billbo1970]

You couldn't be any more right Moose....I had a feeling that today was going to be a perfect day to be down there watching her arrive.

Well, I for one am glad it was post-poned because I only just learned of this!

Bill

[puckstopper55]

Do you guys think we would get a decent glimpse back around the Coliseum area? Not looking for a photo Op, just want to see this with my own eyes without taking a 1/2 day.

[Speedbird1]

Yes it's lovely here in NYC. Good visibility and winds are tolerable. Heading to the Intrepid now anyway. At least I can re-visit my beloved Concorde which flew supersonic for over 2 decades and even broke the record. Hopefully, Friday will be the day!

[Speedbird1]

Technically, the Enterprise is sort of a model as well. She never had engines and was basically a glider. Did she have any cockpit controls?

[Derf]

Technically, the Enterprise is sort of a model as well. She never had engines and was basically a glider. Did she have any cockpit controls?

Wrong, the Enterprise is NOT A MODEL....it was a space shuttle like the others. It was desinged for testing and Operation. it did all the landing testing and also was going to get a real heat shield and put into space. The ejection system for the pilots was one of the reasons why it was not converted. It had a full flightdeck, full controls and was missing engines and tiles ONLY.

"The design of OV-101 was not the same as that planned for OV-102 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia), the first flight model; the tail was constructed differently, and it did not have the interfaces to mount OMS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Orbital_Maneuvering_System) pods. A large number of subsystems—ranging from main engines to radar equipment—were not installed on this vehicle, but the capacity to add them in the future was retained. Instead of a thermal protection system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_thermal_protection_system), its surface was primarily covered with simulated tiles made from polyurethane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyurethane) foam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foam)."

[DustinF]

If the most recent information is correct, the shuttle and ferry landing on 31L - can anyone tell me what we can identify as the landing path? Sorry Im a newb - just trying to figure out where to be and how to get there for some photos around JFK and I was wondering if it would land coming from the west or east and how did that line up with some of the photos I saw with the NYC skyline in the background when taxi-ing...

thanks for any information... I'll be out there and am willing to share some gear if anyone needs it. I'll be traveling with a 600 and 300 and teleconvertors.

[Chris S]

So the current JFK ATIS says winds 190 @ 7, visibility 10 Miles, few clouds at 4,500, broken at 10,000 and 25,000 and the radar looks clear up the coast between DC and JFK. Tell me again why the flight was postponed? Lewis Black was right - Meteorologist is the Greek word for liar.

Yeah, the weather conditions this morning are probably better than what we'll have for Friday :confused:
At this point, they might as well wait until Monday because the weather looks PERFECT then !! :cool:

[steve1840]

If the most recent information is correct, the shuttle and ferry landing on 31L - can anyone tell me what we can identify as the landing path? Sorry Im a newb - just trying to figure out where to be and how to get there for some photos around JFK and I was wondering if it would land coming from the west or east and how did that line up with some of the photos I saw with the NYC skyline in the background when taxi-ing...

thanks for any information... I'll be out there and am willing to share some gear if anyone needs it. I'll be traveling with a 600 and 300 and teleconvertors.

The shots you have seen on here of aircraft taxiing with the NYC skyline in the backgroud are of planes waiting to take off on 4L. Unfortunately these kinds of backgrounds will not be able to be gotten of the shuttle/sca combo landing on 31L. As for the approach path into 31L, look for Inwood Park or Bayswater State Park on google maps as those will be your best bets for photo ops of her on approach.

[DustinF]

The shots you have seen on here of aircraft taxiing with the NYC skyline in the backgroud are of planes waiting to take off on 4L. Unfortunately these kinds of backgrounds will not be able to be gotten of the shuttle/sca combo landing on 31L. As for the approach path into 31L, look for Inwood Park or Bayswater State Park on google maps as those will be your best bets for photo ops of her on approach.

Thanks Steve - appreciate the information... I've been looking at the Spotting Map/Guide and can see the bays water. I've also been looking to see what area's in NJ on the Piers might give me a NYC Background or Liberty Background with its path, if, it indeed does all of the loop that has been noted on the NYC Aviation Page...

It's a risk, go to the AirPort and get the shot that almost everyone will get or go to the pier and not get anything...

decisions decisions...

[steve1840]

dustin, as far as finding a pier on the NJ side to shoot from, you will most likely end up with an extremely backlit shot as at that time of the day, the sun will be shining directly in your face from the NJ side of the river.

[DustinF]

dustin, as far as finding a pier on the NJ side to shoot from, you will most likely end up with an extremely backlit shot as at that time of the day, the sun will be shining directly in your face from the NJ side of the river.

Thanks Steve, I was thinking of shooting from the pier, facing north towards the statue of liberty, I thought it would be over head or at least more from the east before noon. I'll have to see... I figured I would at least grab a shot of it coming down the river towards the liberty and then as it passes across it.

I was really thinking that the sun wouldn;t be in my face... I have to re-think this...

[Perriwen]

Wrong, the Enterprise is NOT A MODEL....it was a space shuttle like the others. It was desinged for testing and Operation. it did all the landing testing and also was going to get a real heat shield and put into space. The ejection system for the pilots was one of the reasons why it was not converted. It had a full flightdeck, full controls and was missing engines and tiles ONLY.

"The design of OV-101 was not the same as that planned for OV-102 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Columbia), the first flight model; the tail was constructed differently, and it did not have the interfaces to mount OMS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_Orbital_Maneuvering_System) pods. A large number of subsystems—ranging from main engines to radar equipment—were not installed on this vehicle, but the capacity to add them in the future was retained. Instead of a thermal protection system (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Space_Shuttle_thermal_protection_system), its surface was primarily covered with simulated tiles made from polyurethane (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyurethane)foam (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foam)."



Let's be fair, it was a space shuttle PROTOTYPE, not a bonafied space shuttle like all the others because it is NOT like all the others. It had a somewhat different design and never shuttled anything to space. It was as much a space shuttle as the YF-22 is a current in-service F-22. Just because it was going to be turned INTO a real shuttle someday doesn't mean it currently IS a real shuttle.

In other words, it provided the baseline FOR the space shuttle, but it in itself is not the final product. It's a, so to speak, pre-space shuttle.

[moose135]

http://i.my.afterdawn.com//standard/16598.jpg

QFT...

[Vidiot]

I was really thinking that the sun wouldn;t be in my face... I have to re-think this...

SunCalc can be your friend: http://www.suncalc.net/#/40.6896,-74.046,10/2012.04.27/10:30

[DustinF]

SunCalc can be your friend: http://www.suncalc.net/#/40.6896,-74.046,10/2012.04.27/10:30

Thanks, my head just exploded... I read it 4x - still cannot figure out what the deal is.

[Speedbird1]

True. The Enterprise is more than a model yet she's not a true Orbiter either. Could she be called a prototype Orbiter? She's not exactly an Orbiter which could fly into Space. How is she designated so not to confuse her with Orbiters such as Discovery?

[Speedbird1]

Disappointed schoolkids here at the Intrepid. They visited today and would have been treated to the thrill of a Shuttle Fly-by. I wonder if they knew it had been canceled? The weather here is partly sunny, breezy from the south and good visibility.

[Derf]

I had taken the day off at work so I am hanging at JFK with Steve Furst when all of a sudden we here the shuttle carrier keys up!!! She did all the flybys and parked by the south end of the field. I thought she was due in Friday?!?!?
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/photos/i-X8L6M5M/0/L/i-X8L6M5M-L.jpg

Grabbing some popcorn...shhhh

[moose135]

You should have added some lightning - that would have made this an epic shot!

[Perriwen]

True. The Enterprise is more than a model yet she's not a true Orbiter either. Could she be called a prototype Orbiter? She's not exactly an Orbiter which could fly into Space. How is she designated so not to confuse her with Orbiters such as Discovery?

That's the interesting thing about the shuttles. They all have official OV designations regardless if they flew at all or not. For example, OV-098 is on the record as a shuttle, but it was a mock up that never left the ground. Similarly, even the wooden simulator used to train the astronauts is on the record as shuttle OV-095. So, the designations and what you call them means little in terms to what they actually are.

[eric8669]

Let's be fair, it was a space shuttle PROTOTYPE, not a bonafied space shuttle like all the others because it is NOT like all the others. It had a somewhat different design and never shuttled anything to space. It was as much a space shuttle as the YF-22 is a current in-service F-22. Just because it was going to be turned INTO a real shuttle someday doesn't mean it currently IS a real shuttle.

In other words, it provided the baseline FOR the space shuttle, but it in itself is not the final product. It's a, so to speak, pre-space shuttle.

seriously! Perriwen, its time for you to go find something else do to.

No one has brought this up, but you my reason Enterprise is my favorite, I'm a Star Trek Fan.

We have an actual Lunar Module at the cradle of aviation museum, it never flew into space, never landed on the moon, but you know what it's pretty damn cool. So whether it flew into space or not should not be a factor to determine if its real.

The Enterprise is a significant part of the American Space Program.

I'll say it again, You're just a bitter Texan, Floridian, wherever your from.

[Perriwen]

I'll say it again, You're just a bitter Texan, Floridian, wherever your from.

Likewise, I could say you're a self-absorbed New Yorker in denial that you aren't getting a shuttle that flew into space. ;)

Also, again. We have the only full Saturn V that was intended for use, and an Apollo spacecraft that carried men to the moon. That trumps glider any day. <3

[steve1840]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/jennemeiske/September%202008/CIMG5772.jpg

Could someone please pass me the popcorn and a beer?? This is getting good again...

[Derf]

Eric.... He just needs a hug. If you come up to New York.... I will take care of you

1st.. I will take the day off and we can start by going to the Intreped, I hear that they are going to have a shuttle soon and it may be neat to take you to see it.
2nd, we will go to the Cradle of aviaion and I will show you a Concorde Model that is in storage, we will ponder over the Spirit of Saint Louis pondering if it was a real aircraft of merely a backup but not really official since it never really made the flight but still carries the Title Spirit of Saint Louis....
3rd, we will look at the Mockup of the X-29 and discuss how it was not a real airplane but is full scale unlike the Concorde Model.
4th, We will to Republic Airport where Phil D, John K, John M, Kenny and the other Kenny, Mario, Eric, Manny and I will be more than happy to give you a hug.

We like to share our beloved collection with others and I promise that the forum guys will be more than happy to show your our Space Shuttle that never went into orbit and could have been modified but never was so it is all just an irrelevant bunch of crap anyway. So come and enjoy our Orbiter, or Shuttle or Flying Brick..... we would love to have you -Cheers -Fred

[Perriwen]

You guys are too funny. Seriously. XD

[Derf]

You guys are too funny. Seriously. XD

Ya trying to say you do not want to see our glider? Come on....you know you'll like it! ;)

[Derf]

I had taken the day off at work so I am hanging at JFK with Steve Furst when all of a sudden we here the shuttle carrier keys up!!! She did all the flybys and parked by the south end of the field. I thought she was due in Friday?!?!?
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/photos/i-X8L6M5M/0/L/i-X8L6M5M-L.jpg

Grabbing some popcorn...shhhh



But Moose.....there was no lightning when it arrived!

[Vidiot]

Thanks, my head just exploded... I read it 4x - still cannot figure out what the deal is.

ha! What that map shows is the position of the sun during the day on Friday, centered on Liberty Island. At 10:30am, the sun will be coming from that orange line going southeast from Liberty Island. (the yellow line points the direction toward sunrise, and the dark orange line points the direction toward sunset.)

[Vidiot]

amazing how they fixed the place on the leading edge of the left wing where they removed the chunk to test it...

[Derf]

amazing how they fixed the place on the leading edge of the left wing where they removed the chunk to test it...

Your amazed??? ITS NASA!

[threeholerglory]

i love these arguments...they get my jollies off. And you KNOW kenny is good for a hug, but only from behind.

[Matt Molnar]

Looks like a NASA T-38 came in to JFK this morning to case the joint: http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA966

[moose135]

amazing how they fixed the place on the leading edge of the left wing where they removed the chunk to test it...
They took a section of the leading edge off as part of the Columbia investigation, but I don't think that was the piece that they did the actual tests on, I think it was more to examine the structure of the LE, and then it was returned. I saw something the other night where they showed some of the testing, firing a piece of foam into a section of the wing, and it looked ugly...

[Perriwen]

Ya trying to say you do not want to see our glider? Come on....you know you'll like it! ;)

Eh, your glider sounds okay. But what I REALLY want to see is your world famous pizza carts and see if the New York slice in New York is as good as they say.

I've had Chicago deep dish in Chicago...you have some stiff competition!

[wunaladreamin]

One word...Grimaldi's.

[Derf]

Eh, your glider sounds okay. But what I REALLY want to see is your world famous pizza carts and see if the New York slice in New York is as good as they say.

I've had Chicago deep dish in Chicago...you have some stiff competition!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Listen, I do not want to say that Chicago pizza is sh!t, but Chicago Pizza IS Sh!t.... I am just saying.....

[Perriwen]

One word...Grimaldi's.

I'll keep that in mind for next visit. The funny thing is, with all the 'great' eating places they say are in New York, I don't remember a whole lot about the food the couple times I went. I remember a BBQ place on the first night, I remember a corner sub shop and taking the food across the street to eat in Central Park, and I remember a place near the hotel that, for the prices and dress code, had really, really subpar food and service.

[Speedbird1]

Lee Goldberg on Eyewitness News weather just predicted wind gusts up to 30 mph for Friday morning. He said this could cause another delay for our shuttle. This is frustrating!

[Billbo1970]

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Listen, I do not want to say that Chicago pizza is sh!t, but Chicago Pizza IS Sh!t.... I am just saying.....

It's not ****, I've had both several times. Depends WHERE in Chicago you eat it, just like it does here. In fact pizza in Manhattan is all **** now (all the places I'VE tried anyway), you need to go to Brooklyn or Long Island to get good pizza in NY now.

[Billbo1970]

I'll keep that in mind for next visit. The funny thing is, with all the 'great' eating places they say are in New York, I don't remember a whole lot about the food the couple times I went. I remember a BBQ place on the first night, I remember a corner sub shop and taking the food across the street to eat in Central Park, and I remember a place near the hotel that, for the prices and dress code, had really, really subpar food and service.

NYC has the average % of crappy & sub-par places... but when you multiply that % by the massive number of eateries, it means there are A LOT of crappy places you can try. You are especially more likely to get crap when you're eating in the vicinity of an attraction, the good places aren't usually super-close to the touristy sites, but a couple blocks away.

[Gerard]

Lee Goldberg on Eyewitness News weather just predicted wind gusts up to 30 mph for Friday morning. He said this could cause another delay for our shuttle. This is frustrating!

If it is I hope they decide by Thursday night!!:frown:

[alberchico]

They should have postponed it for the weekend to begin with. Idiots.........

[Ari707]

Eric.... He just needs a hug. If you come up to New York.... I will take care of you

1st.. I will take the day off and we can start by going to the Intreped, I hear that they are going to have a shuttle soon and it may be neat to take you to see it.
2nd, we will go to the Cradle of aviaion and I will show you a Concorde Model that is in storage, we will ponder over the Spirit of Saint Louis pondering if it was a real aircraft of merely a backup but not really official since it never really made the flight but still carries the Title Spirit of Saint Louis....
3rd, we will look at the Mockup of the X-29 and discuss how it was not a real airplane but is full scale unlike the Concorde Model.
4th, We will to Republic Airport where Phil D, John K, John M, Kenny and the other Kenny, Mario, Eric, Manny and I will be more than happy to give you a hug.

We like to share our beloved collection with others and I promise that the forum guys will be more than happy to show your our Space Shuttle that never went into orbit and could have been modified but never was so it is all just an irrelevant bunch of crap anyway. So come and enjoy our Orbiter, or Shuttle or Flying Brick..... we would love to have you -Cheers -Fred

don't forget the hall of science where they have a Titan II, an Atlas D, a Mercury replica capsule, and the first stage and engine from a Saturn V.

[yankees368]

They should have postponed it for the weekend to begin with. Idiots.........

I'm guessing they don't want to do it on the weekend because all employees involved might need to be paid overtime in that situation. This is already quite expensive for them.

[Perriwen]

don't forget the hall of science where they have a Titan II, an Atlas D, a Mercury replica capsule, and the first stage and engine from a Saturn V.

We have a REAL Mercury capsule and an entire Saturn V. ;)

[moose135]

We have a REAL Mercury capsule and an entire Saturn V. ;)
Missile envy... :wink:

[Big Tim #70]

After beating my brains for the last 48 hours...

1) At this point, I kind of hope they push it back to next week sometime.
2) Thinking I may try to do the same thing Chris, Fred, & I did for Red Bull. Head over to Ellis Island & get her flying up & down the Hudson with the city in the background. I just have a feeling it's going to be a madhouse around the airport & think the cops/security are going to be less than understanding...

[Gerard]

After beating my brains for the last 48 hours...

1) At this point, I kind of hope they push it back to next week sometime.
2) Thinking I may try to do the same thing Chris, Fred, & I did for Red Bull. Head over to Ellis Island & get her flying up & down the Hudson with the city in the background. I just have a feeling it's going to be a madhouse around the airport & think the cops/security are going to be less than understanding...

I'm looking at a nice spot the south end of Battery Park City. Great view of the Harbor and Statue and the Hudson corridor. Also quick access to subway and uptown to work, a little late. LOL!!

[pgengler]

Tomorrow's looking windy:

KJFK 261120Z 2612/2718 08008KT P6SM BKN100 BKN200
FM261500 13014KT P6SM BKN070
FM261700 13015G21KT P6SM BKN030 OVC050
FM261900 14016G22KT 6SM -SHRA OVC012
FM262100 14012G21KT 3SM -RA BR OVC008
FM270100 VRB05KT 2SM BR OVC008
FM270600 30014KT P6SM SCT250
FM271400 31022KT P6SM SCT250=

[lijk604]

Tomorrow's looking windy:

Something tells me, an update will be posted later today. Can anybody say next week?

[Chris S]

Yeah, at this point they might as well wait for the perfect weather forecasted for Monday:cool:

[Billbo1970]

I hope not! My wife has arranged alternate transportation to work tomorrow so that I can have the car! Is the shuttle still piggybacking the jet, and is it visible from any non-personnel areas?

[moose135]

Yeah, at this point they might as well wait for the perfect weather forecasted for Monday:cool:
If it doesn't come in Friday, I hope it rains non-stop for the next week...

[LGA777]

I remember reading somewhere and now I cannot find it on what the highest wind speed they will fly with, does anyone have access to that? With sustained winds forecast in the low-mid 20 kts range for Friday morning this may or may not be the deal breaker.

[Matt Molnar]

I remember reading somewhere and now I cannot find it on what the highest wind speed they will fly with, does anyone have access to that? With sustained winds forecast in the low-mid 20 kts range for Friday morning this may or may not be the deal breaker.
Max crosswind is 20 kts. Not sure if that's just for landing or for the entire flight.

[wunaladreamin]

According to NASA as of 18 mins ago, Enterprise is "officially" set to arrive Friday.

[LGA777]

Max crosswind is 20 kts. Not sure if that's just for landing or for the entire flight.

If for landing only were good then as the forecasted winds are right down the runway,

[puckstopper55]

do we know which flight path they would pick then? I know there was a map a few pages ago, but not sure which would be applicable. I hope I can catch a good view from over by the Cradle...any thoughts on this?

[gonzalu]

If it doesn't come in Friday, I hope it rains non-stop for the next week...

Shame on you, sir, for being selfish :tongue:

[pgengler]

Seems like tomorrow is going to be the day. NASA just put out a media advisory about it.


MEDIA ADVISORY: M12-077

SHUTTLE ENTERPRISE TO FLY OVER NEW YORK CITY METRO AREA FRIDAY

WASHINGTON -- NASA managers, in consultation with Intrepid Sea, Air
and Space Museum officials, have selected Friday, April 27, to ferry
space shuttle Enterprise from Washington Dulles International Airport
to John F. Kennedy (JFK) International Airport in New York.

NASA's 747 Shuttle Carrier Aircraft (SCA) with Enterprise mounted atop
will fly at a relatively low altitude over various parts of the New
York City metropolitan area on Friday. The aircraft is expected to
fly near a variety of landmarks, including the Statue of Liberty and
Intrepid. After the flyover is complete, the SCA will land at JFK.

The Federal Aviation Administration is coordinating the flight, which
is scheduled to occur between 9:30 and 11:30 a.m. EDT. The timing and
exact route depend on weather and operational constraints. If the
flight is postponed for any reason, a notice will be issued.

[yankees368]

**charges camera battery**

[Zee71]

Well.........I'm planning to be out early!!! Batteries a getting charged, sensors and lenses getting cleaned.

[LGA777]

Just received this high wind advisory for LGA for Friday issued by the Port Authority, seems somewhat worse than other sources are showing.

WINDS EXPECTED Friday 4/27 1AM - Saturday 4/28 2AM.WINDS FROM THE NW @ 15-30MPH AND HIGHEST GUSTS @ 40-45MPH THRU 10AM THEN 35-40MPH

[yankees368]

Wunderground is still showing 22mph winds at JFK.

[puckstopper55]

is anyone trying to stay local and catch a glimpse anywhere other than near the city?

[yankees368]

I think I will be at Inwood.

[DWaviation]

I will be there where Jason is ;) Skipping school for it tomorrow no way to miss it!

[moose135]

I will be there where Jason is ;) Skipping school for it tomorrow no way to miss it!
Just keep away from any golf courses...:tongue:

[yankees368]

Just keep away from any golf courses...:tongue:

Nah its cool, we know a guy in the Secret Service now. (wait, maybe he was fired as a part of this Columbia thing?)

[gonzalu]

Closest "spot" for pictures (subject-distance wise) will be Inwood Park but unfortunately, no tower shots from there :-(

[yankees368]

Did nobody reserve the Tacocopter?????

[fk6065]

What are the odds of shooting her first pass at Inwood and then hustling over to Bayswater for the Tower Shot if they follow the original postings and don't scale it back.

[gonzalu]

What are the odds of shooting her first pass at Inwood and then hustling over to Bayswater for the Tower Shot if they follow the original postings and don't scale it back.

Totally doable... !!

[fk6065]

I am really tempted to try that Manny but I am worried about them scaling back the flyovers and just coming in.

[DustinF]

I'm gonna take the huge risk and go the pier in NJ to shoot north at the statue of liberty. If the path remains the same, I should see it come back when it comes back from going north up the West Side of NYC and maybe even a pass across the statue of liberty...

Anyone else think thats possible?

[eric8669]

Totally doable... !!

you should have plenty of time for that.

[Speedbird1]

It's a GO for Friday. Despite the prediction of strong gusts, they plan to launch since no cross-winds are predicted; just a strong NW flow. So charge your batteries, pack your lenses and good-luck. Hope this historic moment finally is upon us. Later I'll post to ask which hangar she'll be secluded in. Enjoy!

[DustinF]

I'm gonna take the huge risk and go the pier in NJ to shoot north at the statue of liberty. If the path remains the same, I should see it come back when it comes back from going north up the West Side of NYC and maybe even a pass across the statue of liberty...

Anyone else think thats possible?

As seen in this photo - http://blogs.denverpost.com/captured/2011/10/28/the-125th-anniversary-of-the-statue-of-liberty/5059/#photo53

I think if I shoot at 600mm or 840mmm or even risk it and go 2x on the 600 I can get something for my trouble at 1200mm...

Anyways - I'd love to hear some thoughts on this...

[yankees368]

I like this Inwood/Bayswater change up idea. I might have to do that as well. For those of you going to Inwood, what time do you plan on arriving?

[Gerard]

It's a GO for Friday. Despite the prediction of strong gusts, they plan to launch since no cross-winds are predicted; just a strong NW flow. So charge your batteries, pack your lenses and good-luck. Hope this historic moment finally is upon us. Later I'll post to ask which hangar she'll be secluded in. Enjoy!

Just saw Lee Goldberg on Ch7 and he saId the same thing. Of course will check again in the AM. Good hunting all!!:biggrin:

[alberchico]

And later in June when she's towed along the Hudson to her final resting place we'll have another epic thread and great photographic opportunity . :wink:

Hopefully another certain poster will pop up and explain to us why we don't deserve to have a shuttle.:rolleyes:

Good luck to all tomorrow !!!

[Derf]

It's a GO for Friday. Despite the prediction of strong gusts, they plan to launch since no cross-winds are predicted; just a strong NW flow. So charge your batteries, pack your lenses and good-luck. Hope this historic moment finally is upon us. Later I'll post to ask which hangar she'll be secluded in. Enjoy!

It is suppose to stay under the Radient heat building known as Hangar 12 and they will pull the shuttle off after a few days when they can get all the equipment in place...Then it will sit for a few weeks off the 747 and then barged .....well, you know

[eric8669]

And later in June when she's towed along the Hudson to her final resting place we'll have another epic thread and great photographic opportunity . :wink:

Hopefully another certain poster will pop up and explain to us why we don't deserve to have a shuttle.:rolleyes:

Good luck to all tomorrow !!!

Yes, good luck everyone, may everyone get good shots wherever you may be.

If anyone is out early, let me know I'll probably be shooting somewhere in the AM.

[Derf]

Steve F., Ken P. and I are shooting sunrise at Brooklyn Bridge park...leaving at 4am! They will drop me off at JFK for the NASA sponsored event I will attend for a few hours and they will pick me up after it is over. We will then spend the day spotting. It will be good to see you all. See you tomorrow - Derf

[yankees368]

Let me know where you go after the event and mate we can meet up. I'll be with Dennis

[fk6065]

It is going to be on the 747 at JFK for a while before the specialized equipment arrives to remove it.

Could be over a month sitting on top

[fk6065]

Also as an aside the fly overs tomorrow are not guaranteed at this time.

I am sure we will hear more in the morning when NASA updates

[nexpos]

hey guys - i will be out and will hopefully meet a lot of you that i haven't met yet. planning on heading to Inwood Park - and then maybe stick around for a bit. my manager really loved my moving a day off twice this week, so i hope it goes well!

[gonzalu]

600mm or worse 1200mm will risk motion blur. Hope your Gimbal setup is a strong one :smile: and not to forget, likely backlit.

[emk1219]

I'm gonna take the huge risk and go the pier in NJ to shoot north at the statue of liberty. If the path remains the same, I should see it come back when it comes back from going north up the West Side of NYC and maybe even a pass across the statue of liberty...

Anyone else think thats possible?

im planning to be in brooklyn on the ferry pier behind the army terminal you have a great view of the liberty, battery, and even some Verrazano to the south Google 40.648411,-74.029269 for exact location. Enjoy!

[emk1219]

can anyone advise which ATC frequency to monitor the flyover on? thanks

[gonzalu]

Best bets...

JFK Tower (4L/22R, 13R/31L) 123.900
Newark Tower 118.300
LaGuardia Tower 118.700
KEWR Tower Class B (2000'/below) 127.850
KJFK Tower Class B (2000'/below) 125.250
KLGA Tower Class B (2000'/below) 126.050

all will be on my scanner on round robin with JFK tower as priority channel :-)

[mirrodie]

I won't go but my parents will take my children there.

Can anyone give an address for me to get them to Inwood park? Like a GPS address please?

[DustinF]

600mm or worse 1200mm will risk motion blur. Hope your Gimbal setup is a strong one :smile: and not to forget, likely backlit.

I am not so much worried about the motion blur - I am just trying to figure out the angle of the plane to the skyline and area. If everyone is gonna have almost the same shot from the different parts of the Air port - I am just trying break out of that box and get something different...

[Joe]

I won't go but my parents will take my children there.

Can anyone give an address for me to get them to Inwood park? Like a GPS address please?

I don't have an exact address, but a quick search on Google maps has 588 Bayview Ave as the closest address listed. Some GPS's allow you to enter a cross street or corner location. If yours does, you can enter Bayview Ave and Alemada Ave, just stay straight for a few hundred yards and you will be at the park entrance.

[Gerard]

Best bets...

JFK Tower (4L/22R, 13R/31L) 123.900
Newark Tower 118.300
LaGuardia Tower 118.700
KEWR Tower Class B (2000'/below) 127.850
KJFK Tower Class B (2000'/below) 125.250
KLGA Tower Class B (2000'/below) 126.050

all will be on my scanner on round robin with JFK tower as priority channel :-)

Newscopters 123.025 They'll be up and working and good for heads-up and interesting chatter.
NYPD 123.100

[mirrodie]

THanks. Just got my folks set up for Inwood. Much appreciated.

[gpalz1]

Since I work in Carle Place, I'm hoping to convince my boss to allow me to take an early lunch and go to Eisenhower Park. Who knows, maybe he'll allow the whole department to go! Good luck everyone. George.

[lijk604]

What are the odds of shooting her first pass at Inwood and then hustling over to Bayswater for the Tower Shot if they follow the original postings and don't scale it back.
Normally doable....remember tomorrow parking is going to be nutty by Bayswater. You may get there in time, but may have a long walk to the park.

[NickPeterman]

Good luck tomorrow guys! Wish I could be there to see it with y'all! I'll be tuned in for pics :)

[puckstopper55]

Since I work in Carle Place, I'm hoping to convince my boss to allow me to take an early lunch and go to Eisenhower Park. Who knows, maybe he'll allow the whole department to go! Good luck everyone. George.

Which lot will you be in? I think I'll try the one in the part just off the merrick ave entrance

[Kyuusei]

Does anybody know when they'll be in the area? NASA just says 9:30 to 11:30 which is a fairly large chunk of time.

Oh first post after years of lurking :biggrin:

[DWaviation]

My TSA friend told me i will be there around 10.
The Plane will be stay near the Anti Ice Tent so we could get a decent view of it..
Good Luck everyone!

[jlaico1]

Which lot will you be in? I think I'll try the one in the part just off the merrick ave entrance

I'm thinking that might me a good spot, Lot 8 next to the Special Activities Building. My only concern is the 8 story building on the other side of Merrick Avenue. I might park over there and take pictures from the sidewalk. My other concern is the incinerator, who knows what Covanta will be spilling into the air at that time?

[puckstopper55]

I'm thinking that might me a good spot, Lot 8 next to the Special Activities Building. My only concern is the 8 story building on the other side of Merrick Avenue. I might park over there and take pictures from the sidewalk. My other concern is the incinerator, who knows what Covanta will be spilling into the air at that time?

What time you getting there? The post above says it will be at JFK at 10. That seems a bit early. I was figuring over our area about 1030

[NickPeterman]

My suggestion is try to get wherever you wanna be when the Shuttle arrives at least 1+ hour early. Traffic at DC pas paralyzed by people trying to get to good viewing spots. And you don't know how many good photogs I know who were stuck on a freeway as the SCA flew overhead. They were crushed.

[gonzalu]

Nick, when the shuttle leaves, if you're there, please shoot me a text :-) thanks

[gpalz1]

I'm thinking that might me a good spot, Lot 8 next to the Special Activities Building. My only concern is the 8 story building on the other side of Merrick Avenue. I might park over there and take pictures from the sidewalk. My other concern is the incinerator, who knows what Covanta will be spilling into the air at that time?

Those are the two spots I'm considering as well. I don't think the building will be a problem since the SCA will be at 2000 feet or so. Probably won't decide until I get there for the best angle.

[Kyuusei]

Hmm anyone going to Bayswater/Inwood with a scanner I can hang around with?

[yankees368]

Hmm anyone going to Bayswater/Inwood with a scanner I can hang around with?

I will be at Inwood with Denis who is bringing a scanner.

[NickPeterman]

Manny, due to unforseen personal complications, I will not be there. But as soon as I know anything, I will call you

[alberchico]

Last email from the Intrepid, all systems go !!!

''
We look forward to seeing you at the arrival ceremony for space shuttleEnterprise
tomorrow morning at JFK Airport.

The latest weather report indicates that conditions remain favorable for the shuttle and its 747 carrier aircraft to fly from Dulles Airport to JFK Airport as scheduled.

Please note, however, that as we have seen all week, weather conditions may change. Therefore, we urge you to check our special shuttle arrival website (http://cosmo.lyris.net/t/2345452/18209383/41339/26/)
, tomorrow morning prior to departing for the ceremony.

Late changes in weather or other factors might result in NASA making last-minute changes to the flight plan, and email notification to you might not be possible at that point.

So please check the website (http://cosmo.lyris.net/t/2345452/18209383/41339/27/)
where we will post news of any change in plan.

However, as of now the forecast looks good and all systems remain go to welcome Enterprise
to New York tomorrow morning. It will be windy so please dress accordingly.

We look forward to seeing you then!''

[moose135]

Hmm anyone going to Bayswater/Inwood with a scanner I can hang around with?
I plan to be at Bayswater, scanner is programmed and batteries charged...

[Kyuusei]

Like fk6065 a few pages back I wanna do the whole Inwood for pass 1 then run over to Bayswater but that might be a bit ambitious for a first timer at JFK. Decisions decisions...

[MORS-AB-ALTO]

I'll be busting my Bayswater cherry tomorrow and bringing 2 car loads of people with Wunala Kenny. After looking at the weather forcast and parking situation on Google Earth all I can say is dress warm and get there early. Oh that golf course looks soooo tempting!

[Futterman]

Taking my day off today to head back towards NYC for this little shindig, especially since I had the audacity to miss it in DC the other week. I thought about heading over to Liberty State park for some up-the-river-with-the-city-in-the-background action, but it seems like most people are going to set up camp at Bayswater or Inwood...

With so many options and a route that's subject to change I suppose anything around 31L would be a sure shot at a photo. What time are you folks aiming to be in position?

Brian

[moose135]

7am or so...I just hope the gate is open at that hour!

[yankees368]

I'll be busting my Bayswater cherry tomorrow and bringing 2 car loads of people with Wunala Kenny. After looking at the weather forcast and parking situation on Google Earth all I can say is dress warm and get there early. Oh that golf course looks soooo tempting!

Trust me, avoid the golf course.

[Vinny Ohare]

Hi all

New to the forum, I am curious why everyone is going to Inwood or Bayswater. I was thinking about heading towards the Howard Beach/Hamilton Beach area? How do we know the plane will come in over the Rockaways? Just want to be sure I am not wasting my time.

[Speedbird1]

Have fun today. I still plan for Battery Park where I could see possibly 2 fly-bys over the Statue and part of the excursion over EWR. Thanks to Matt for giving a detailed explaination of today's flight. It is really helpful as so is the map. My only fear is that EWR could use Rwy 29 due to strong winds but chances are they will be on the 22 complex as the wind is now 310 at 22 G27. This will be the second time I've seen the SCA/Shuttle combo over NYC. I last saw this on June 10,1983.

[eric8669]

Hi all

New to the forum, I am curious why everyone is going to Inwood or Bayswater. I was thinking about heading towards the Howard Beach/Hamilton Beach area? How do we know the plane will come in over the Rockaways? Just want to be sure I am not wasting my time.

It is almost certainly will land 31L especially with the winds today, however Howard Beach will get you a nice shot if the planned fly over does happen.

[Billbo1970]

Story about this on ABC right now. It's still a go! NYC flyover between 9 - 9:30. Send photos to [email protected] if you're interested in sharing w/them :)

[Billbo1970]

Think they will keep the jet & shuttle outside for a while after she lands?

[Vinny Ohare]

Thanks Eric

After it lands I suspect that the howard beach side of the runway will provide good shot on ground with tower behind it! I know you guys are gonna great great shots in Inwood but maybe I get something different? I have a 18-250 mm lens.

Is there an android app that I can listen to the tower?

[nexpos]

LiveATC.net is what I use but I think it is a paid app maybe a few bucks?

[puckstopper55]

My suggestion is try to get wherever you wanna be when the Shuttle arrives at least 1+ hour early. Traffic at DC pas paralyzed by people trying to get to good viewing spots. And you don't know how many good photogs I know who were stuck on a freeway as the SCA flew overhead. They were crushed.

I am hoping that someone can post when it leaves DC and then I will head over to the Park. I am only about 15 minutes away.

[Billbo1970]

Is there an android app that I can listen to the tower? The only app I'm aware of is "Scanner Radio", but it doesn't have much near us in the way of aviation... the search function sucks & the only airport I've been able to find is ISP :(

[Billbo1970]

LiveATC.net is what I use but I think it is a paid app maybe a few bucks?

I just looked up Live ATC, it's $3... anyone have it, is it decent?

[wunaladreamin]

Live atc is well worth it.

[pgengler]

Anyone over at Bayswater yet? I swung by earlier and the gate was locked so I figured I'd sit at HoBe for a while to give it some time.