This is unacceptable! Check out the video below, this is very irresponsible on the controllers part. When an aircraft declares an emergency, no matter what you do all you can to meet their requests. I was dumbfounded when I watched this video!
http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... &catId=104
nwa FOREVER!
I have to agree. Though it turned out ok, it could have been worse.
One thing we don't know is whether or not the DFW controller that made that runway decision had a full understnading that the flight had declared a fuel emergency. Just my way of looking at it from the other side.
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Check out this thread on LiveATC.net for insight from real controllers: http://www.liveatc.net/forums/index.php/topic,2809
Jason
CFI/CFII
Part 135 Dispatch
Kind of hard to have an opinion without listening to all of the communication, which we did not hear. There was communication prior to this, maybe that is what triggered the Controller to offer an alternate airport.
Listen to the Pilots voice, not exactly the tone that I would have expected to hear in a "Life & Death" situation.
The Pilot did say that he did have enough fuel for the runway the Controller offered, & the Controller suggested alternate airports.
What you are watching is how the media can make things bigger than they really were, little things that we did not hear is if the Pilot requested a crash crew team.
I am not placing the blame on anybody, I am just saying that we did not hear all of the information....
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in the portion of the phone call they played, one controller did not communicate to the other that AAL489 had an emergency on board. i don't know if that was communicated or not, but if it had been i doubt that they would have forced the flight to land on 31L.
it is mathematically impossible for either hummingbirds, or helicopters to fly. fortunately, neither are aware of this.
Kind of hard to have an opinion without listening to all of the communication, which we did not hear.
That is my thought. I can't really have an opinion without the entire picture.
And I, I took the path less traveled by
and that has made all the difference......yet...
I have a feeling a handle of people are going to be very interested in what I post in the near future.
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From another article I read, it said the first controller made it clear that he declared an emergency. It doesn't matter if he made it or not, when an emergency is declared that plane has priority over everything else.
Now, i'm not calling for the controllers head, but it was an irresponsible move, very unacceptable! The FAA says he was de-certified and retrained.
nwa FOREVER!
A$$holes......arrrrggggg.... to pissed to write a reply to this!!!! GGGGRRRRRRR
The three most common expressions in aviation are, "Why is it doing that?", "Where are we?" and "Oh Crap".
What???Originally Posted by Derf
nwa FOREVER!
The magic word " Emerengcy " was used, the pilot should have notified him if the runway was torn up or a vehicle was on it and still not declined him to land on the runway, strongly advise not to....OTHERWISE, he should have shut down the airport when the aircraft was inbound as it was an EMERENGCY. Pilot is in command...when declaring an emerengcy, the plane must be handled before any aircraft on the ground by that jag off......
There was talk about because it may delay.....FOR THE LOVE OF AN HUMAN LIFE, DO NOT RETRAIN THIS CONTROLLER...He should be shot! He could have cost the lives of everyone inboard because HE did not know the situation, the PILOT gave a clear indication when he declined the runway change. It is a good thing that I was not in his pants or I would have been fined quite a bit for cursing on the mic but I would not be fined for landing on a taxiway at this point!
The three most common expressions in aviation are, "Why is it doing that?", "Where are we?" and "Oh Crap".
Oh, I agree, he declared an emergency, you should do whatever you can to help the pilot. If that means freezing all departing traffic, than by God you do it!
But I wouldn't go as far to say he should have been shot ;)
nwa FOREVER!
one engine possibly flamed out before touchdown..... Possible Leaking Fuel... If there was a crash 5 meters before the threshold..my words would be the norm
The situation is as bad as I could hear and goes along with others that creep me out...l can think of other ClusterF^c%s from so called professionals, and I can only think of one that passes this screwup.
National Airlines DC-10 crew
"If you pull the n1....will that throttle respond?"......Bang!!!
In our case,
If an emerengcy is declared....EVERYTHING STOPS FOR THAT AIRCRAFT!
It did not....BIG PROBLEM!
The three most common expressions in aviation are, "Why is it doing that?", "Where are we?" and "Oh Crap".
Fred its the FAA. Big Problem is their middle name.
Care to explain the National DC-10 stuff? What happened?
nwa FOREVER!
Captain and Copilot were having a discussion if they pulled the N1 breaker, if the autopilot would push the engine past its limits.... IT DID, the #3 engine tore up itself and the aircraft over New Mexico... 1 dead, aircraft badly damaged.
Rule of thumb, if you are in the office drinking a cup of coffee and you coworker says.. "Hmmm, Lets see if..." Hope your office is not in the air!
The three most common expressions in aviation are, "Why is it doing that?", "Where are we?" and "Oh Crap".
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