Thoughts on AA587?

[cancidas]

that is nuts!!

[hiss srq]

Lear 20 series is built like a tank. You can snap left and right all you want and it will not break her. The A-300 and A-310 respectively being almost identical in airframe save for the few plugs in the fuse. have had alot of issues that the French keep under radar. To add to that in the Lear one time coming into FLL behind a 757 we got thrown around pretty bad. It was like hitting a brick wall and than suddenly being tosses into a washing machine. We were at about 5500 feet at the time. Both me and the captain of this bird were on the rudders and ailerons fighting her back. It is a scarey situation in which you do not always have the clarity of thought to look at the ASI and say hmm at this speed thisnmany pounds of force will correct this without killing us. It is obsurd to think that you would expect that and the French are covering their asses. There is issues in the airplane as it stands.

[T-Bird76]

The A-300 and A-310 respectively being almost identical in airframe save for the few plugs in the fuse. have had allot of issues that the French keep under radar.

What like running the primary and auxiliary Hydraulic lines through the main gear compartment so that if a tire exploded the plane will lose all its hydraulics? Something like that? hehe

[cancidas]

Yeah, there were some misprints in the articles he quoted, the 737 is the worlds most popular passenger jet.

All I have to comment is this: Based on comments by other pilots about the accident, on any airplane, you should be able to hit that rudder as hard as you can to the left, and then as hard as you want to the right, and nothing should happen. There was a flaw, NTSB ignored it due to pressure from Airbus, and Airbus secretly tried to fix the problem (Which was somewhat successful, but there have still been many A300 rudder incidents after the "fix")

as mike said, it is very convenient to blame the crew, especially a crew that is no longer with us today. my questions to you; are you A300 rated? are you an NTSB investigator? are you an airbus engineer? even though i fly i wouldn't bring myself to pass judgement on the A300 at this point. i feel that most self-respecting pilots would do the same. the NTSB conducted thier investigation and came up with thier own conclusions. i think your time be better spent speaking to them about what they did wrong than to us.

about what pilots should or should not be able to do, well unless you designed the airplane or are rated on it i also feel your comments best be reserved. airplanes are designed with limits in mind. such limits are called an "envelope." doing things to an airplane that it's not designed for are easy ways of a. braking an airplane and/or b. getting yourself killed.

[Derf]

There is a lot of speculation here with little to no facts. I think it could
have been such things as PIO coupled with the loosening of the main bolts
for the tail. I have seen clear indications that the structure was
not secure? The BOLTS FAILED in the front of the stab and rear
attachment points for the mounts failed in the rear from what I saw. I
would think that you guys would have at least provided some
photographic evidence to try and substantiate your claims. As for the
strength.... it is what it was designed for. From the pictures in the link, I
do not see the tail failing, I see bolts failing leading the the forceful
removal of the tail....

http://usread.com/flight587/Hangar_Pix/ ... _of_5.html

(With all of this, I need to say that the investigators are TRAINED for
this, not me. If they say something, I will listen) Like all the people who
swear to me that a missile hit Flight 800.... SHOW ME THE FACTS!

I do not want to start with the bull associated with that, I have touched
the center fuel tank with my own hands and had walk around with the
best of the best in aviation investigation that know more than all of us.
Fact with that-rectangular tank wanted to be come round and then
tore....NO EXTERNAL PITTING..........END OF LINE

[Matt Molnar]

What do you think about the absurd amount of money for the memorial?

How much was spent? Whose money was it?

$9.2 million, divided between the city and private donations, though I can't find how it was broken down. Of course there should be a memorial, and I'm not against public funding for it, but all it is basically is a giant headstone, and it is situated on land that was already owned by the city, so I don't understand the cost. Compare that to the Vietnam Veterans Memorial in Washington, D.C., which is several times larger and made of better material: it cost about $4.3 million to build in the late 70s/early 80s. In 2006 dollars, the cost of the Flight 587 memorial comes out to only a few hundred thousand dollars less than the Vietnam Memorial. :shock:

(And compare those to the positively obscene $1 billion price tag on the planned World Trade Center memorial, but I digress.)

[FlyingColors]

That's just it, none of us are supposed to be able to "understand" or comprehend where the money goes and where its from.

Like I said, this is just another act of organized crime. Now I can't produce a tape recorded conversation or was in attendance of any savvy lunch meetings...but to me its pretty obvious with that sort of invoice there is a whole lot of pay offs going around.