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  1. 2009-11-23, 02:12 PM #1
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    KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

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    Re: KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

    Technically this has been done by Virgin Atlantic already.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23321510/
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    Re: KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bird76
    Technically this has been done by Virgin Atlantic already.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23321510/
    This was the first biofuel flight with passengers on board.
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    Re: KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

    A few carriers have done it actually, Matt is right though, this is the first revenue carrying flight by a carrier. Virgin, Continetal and Air New Zeeland have all done it with various airplanes so far, just not while transporting self loading cargo if memory serves correct. To me this is a very exciting advancement in technology. I think it represents a possibility for carriers to actually create new industries within their companies which will allow them to have a more direct control over operating costs day to day. If they can "grow" their own fuel within limits it will help stableize the industry I think.
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    Re: KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

    Also, last month Qatar operated a London-Doha revenue flight with a 777 partially powered by kerosene distilled out of natural gas. Not positive, but I believe this was the first "alt-fuel" revenue flight ever.
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    Re: KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

    Quote Originally Posted by hiss srq
    If they can "grow" their own fuel within limits it will help stableize the industry I think.
    We'll see, these fuels are still a lot more expensive than petroleum and there is no infrastructure to transport them yet.
    Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking. We have a small problem.
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    Re: KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

    I guess overseas it is a bit more acceptable. If I am not mistaken in the USA though Continental had to label their 737 "Experimental"
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    Re: KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

    Quote Originally Posted by GothamSpotter
    Quote Originally Posted by T-Bird76
    Technically this has been done by Virgin Atlantic already.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23321510/
    This was the first biofuel flight with passengers on board.
    They were VIP invited guests of KLM and not revenue passengers. Plus the plane landed and departed AMS...hardly a normal passenger flight. KLM can call the flight what they like but the distinction goes to Virgin Atlantic who did it first and flew point to point.
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  9. 2009-11-23, 08:00 PM #9
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    Re: KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

    I thought a B-52 and then C-17 did this about 2 years ago???
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  10. 2009-11-23, 11:51 PM #10
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    Re: KLM Flies First Passenger Flight Using Biofuel

    Quote Originally Posted by USAF Pilot 07
    I thought a B-52 and then C-17 did this about 2 years ago???
    they were 50/50 mixed of biofuel and JP8 i think.
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