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    Zoom UK OK'd for LGW-JFK Service

    Zoom Airlines gets O.K. for U.K. sales of proposed U.S. service (04/04/2007)

    By Andrew Compart

    Zoom Airlines, a low-cost, low-fare transatlantic carrier, received Transportation Dept. approval to begin marketing and selling tickets for its proposed London-New York service -- but for now, only in the U.K.

    The approval also could be an indication Zoom is likely to overcome Delta's objections to its application to offer service between London (Gatwick) and New York (Kennedy).

    Zoom filed an application with the DOT Jan. 22 asking for permission that would let it start daily service June 7 between London (Gatwick) and New York (Kennedy) using 767 aircraft on the route.

    Zoom Airlines was established as a Canadian carrier and offers scheduled service from eight Canadian cities to five U.K. destinations, including London (Gatwick), and from four Canadian cities to Paris. But last August the Bank of Scotland acquired a minority stake in Zoom for about $11 million, and at the time the company said it would use the money to establish Zoom U.K. to fly to non-Canadian destinations, such as the U.S.

    Delta has challenged whether Zoom could be considered a U.K. national, which is a prerequisite for getting U.S.-U.K. authority under the aviation agreement between the two countries.

    Zoom argues not only that it is -- as evidenced in part by the U.K. citizenship of its founder and chairman and its incorporation in the U.K. as a separate legal entity from Zoom Airlines of Canada -- but also that under the U.S.-U.K. agreement it is up to the U.K. to decide whether the airline qualifies or not.

    Zoom filed a request March 6 for DOT approval to let it begin sales and marketing in the U.K. for the proposed U.S. service.

    In approving that request April 2, the DOT noted that the U.K. Civil Aviation Authority said it has provisionally concluded that Zoom "can demonstrate majority ownership and effective control by nationals of the United Kingdom." It also noted that U.K. authorities have given approval for the U.K. sales and marketing to begin.

    The DOT is waiting for the U.K. ruling on the carrier's fitness and citizenship before making a decision on granting U.S. regulatory approval for the service.
    http://www.travelweekly.com/articles.as ... leid=55738

    Will be great to see Zoom's 767s at JFK. 8)
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    The exact times have not been published yet but should be known by tomorrow and I will post them.

    The media release on the website states that the flights will depart LGW in around noon arriving at JFK in the late afternoon and then will depart in the early evening arriving at LGW at 6am. The early morning arrival in LGW suggests the flight will depart somewhere in the 6:10pm range which means she will be shootable on departure and arrival!

    Actual times to come soon.

    Flights start June 21st and will be daily.

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    Pretty exciting addition to the local scene.
    Email me anytime at [email protected].

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    Wow, June 21? That's quick.
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    Interesting, but with all the competition between NY and London, how much cheaper can they be to gain market share? As I understand it, this is similar to the original low fare concept that Maxjet abandoned for this reason and ended up all business class.

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    Ok here is schedule:

    Thu, Fri, Sat, Mon

    ETD LGW 13:00
    ETA JFK 15:45

    Sun, Tue, Wed (via Bermuda)

    ETD LGW 11:00
    ETA JFK 16:15

    ETD JFK 17:30 Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon
    ETD JFK 15:30 Tue, Thu
    ETD JFK 19:45 Wed

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iberia A340-600
    Sun, Tue, Wed (via Bermuda)

    ETD LGW 11:00
    ETA JFK 16:15

    ETD JFK 17:30 Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon
    ETD JFK 15:30 Wed, Thu
    So on Wednesday she departs 45 minutes before she arrives? ;)

    What's the source on the schedule?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Winglets747
    So on Wednesday she departs 45 minutes before she arrives? ;)
    Daylight Saving Time :D

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    Quote Originally Posted by Winglets747
    Quote Originally Posted by Iberia A340-600
    Sun, Tue, Wed (via Bermuda)

    ETD LGW 11:00
    ETA JFK 16:15

    ETD JFK 17:30 Fri, Sat, Sun, Mon
    ETD JFK 15:30 Wed, Thu
    So on Wednesday she departs 45 minutes before she arrives? ;)

    What's the source on the schedule?
    Whoops, sorry about that. I typed in the schedule quickly while I was in History class. :)

    Source is the Zoom website.

    On Wednesdays she departs at 19:45.

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    Hey at least its a new afternoon arrival for JFK! Not like the late night Middle Eastern birds. (and yes I know why they are planned to arrive/depart that late).

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    Its always fun to see new logo's on jets at JFK but what market is there for this service???

    How many airlines are going to serve the route??? That goes for High and through low cost airlines.
    Train exceeding medium speed must at once reduce to that speed!

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    Quote Originally Posted by s2vKJFK
    Its always fun to see new logo's on jets at JFK but what market is there for this service???

    How many airlines are going to serve the route??? That goes for High and through low cost airlines.
    If you think about Zoom could be considered the first low-cost airline operating on the route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lijk604
    Hey at least its a new afternoon arrival for JFK! Not like the late night Middle Eastern birds. (and yes I know why they are planned to arrive/depart that late).
    Uhh, why?

    Quote Originally Posted by s2vKJFK
    Its always fun to see new logo's on jets at JFK but what market is there for this service???

    How many airlines are going to serve the route??? That goes for High and through low cost airlines.
    NYC-London is a huge market. It's rare to see a flight go out with more than a handful of seats. While Zoom is new, consider that in the past year BA and VS have each added a JFK-LHR flight. As the market continues to grow, there's an increase in the number of premium pax (first and business), regular pax (economy plus/economy), and pax who just want to get from A to B and want the cheapest option (those are the people Zoom is going after).

    There's a similar thinking with Eos and Maxjet (and L'Avion): they're going after people who want first/business service but not at the price legacy carriers sell it for.

    Total NYC-London carriers:
    BA
    VS
    AA
    DL
    CO (ex-EWR)
    Air India
    Kuwait
    MaxJet
    Eos
    Zoom
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    Add Silverjet out of Newark, as well.

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    I knew I was missing one! :twisted:
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