My opinion is that if the spotter presses the security guard to that, that it will hold them to the fire and have them say "Forget it...you can stay here". My PERSONAL opinion is that if YOU try to escalate it, they will back down. I could be very wrong though. There is risk in some capacity on many sides.
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I perfectly understand your arguments Phil, and I fully believe you are right. However this is where I draw the line between having a hobby and fighting for it. I'm gonna sound selfish as hell, but spotting is a way for me to relax after a week of work. I watch the planes, take my photos, whatever. If I have to FIGHT for it, then I'm not interested anymore, especially given that it is only involving ONE location, which I believe everyone here agreed on keeping quiet 2 years ago. I believe we still have plenty of locations to enjoy our hobby from and that, as megatop412 previously said, this situation is getting out of hand. If we are to get upset about it, then this hobby is not a hobby. It feels like work... Actually no, at least I can control what I do at work... A luxury I don't have at John Fitzgerald Kennedy International Airport.
Phil, though, I ADMIRE you for doing everything you do for our community. You show amazing deals of energy, patience, and conviction in trying to solve this issue for us, not you, US. I applaud you for this, and everything else you do with NYCA.
I just think a lot of people are getting upset here. And I believe this should not happen. It is *just* a hobby.
Mark Z has already established that with his "Show me the policy" episode. Going forward though it will only work on a case by case basis. These encounters will still happen from time to time though. Until a better relationship is developed with security guards and Port. Escalating things and demanding not paying the parking fee will only set this back.
'My idea of a good picture is one that's in focus and of a famous person doing something unfamous.' Andy Warhol
Nick, I doubt it will escelate things, when I return to New York I am going to test this theroy, I am going to pretend to be a civillian, hide all of my security credentials and take my shield out of my wallet and see if me and Phil's theroy is correct.
Southwest Airlines-"Once it pop's it's time to stop" Southwest Airlines-"Our Shamu's are almost real" Southwest Airlines -"We blow our top real easy" Southwest Airlines- "You can't top us..... really"
Rom you are right in the end we are all just enjoying a hobby and it shouldn't have to require a struggle like this to enjoy it, which for some will make it not worth the effort. I just hate that circumstances had to pick the one hobby I feel most passionate about to make a mess out of. You would think that people flying model rockets(which I also enjoyed growing up until I lost the damn thing by using a motor too big for the vehicle I was launching) would have to deal with these sorts of security hassles and not people taking pictures. But for me, the sheer absurdity of it all is what I think propels me to want to fight the fight.
count me in ill have smokes with me lol. well ill have my Newports
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I think instigating is a bad thing, though. :-p
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I don't see the point of putting a third party with nothing to do with the situation in a spot. The person sitting in the toll booth doesn't need this drama. Especially when it's manufactured. If you want to stand your ground against a rent a cop so be it. Let them call Port. Again Mark's approach was perfect. Hence why it worked.
'My idea of a good picture is one that's in focus and of a famous person doing something unfamous.' Andy Warhol
Sergio has been a huge Delta Air Lines fan since 1992!!
Sergio Cardona
http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos....e=1&display=15
What can they do? And ultimatly I am not just a civillian in any of the capacities so if it escelates I would tell them to sit on a stiff one and walk away anyway... It's FJC security, not secret service and spotting is not a crime. I would hedge my bet that the Port Cop will be more pissed with the"security guard" than me anyway if I didn't obey them.
Southwest Airlines-"Once it pop's it's time to stop" Southwest Airlines-"Our Shamu's are almost real" Southwest Airlines -"We blow our top real easy" Southwest Airlines- "You can't top us..... really"
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