Just heard a some some sort of accident over the Hudson, sounds like possibly 2 aircraft involved. Some reports of debris found on the Hoboken NJ side ... still developing
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Just heard a some some sort of accident over the Hudson, sounds like possibly 2 aircraft involved. Some reports of debris found on the Hoboken NJ side ... still developing
Now saying a midair between a helo and a GA plane.
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local-be ... 90622.html
Quote:
Chopper, Small Plane Go Down in Hudson River
Plane, chopper collide over river
Updated 12:43 PM EDT, Sat, Aug 8, 2009
A helicopter and a small plane collided over the Hudson River near 14th Street and the West Side Highway, the NYPD and the Coast Guard have confirmed. Both aircrafts ended up in the water near Pier 40.
The helicopter was from Liberty Tours. Six people were on board. The small plane originally left from Pennsylvania. It stopped at Teterboro Airport in New Jersey to pick up one more person and then departed, police sources said.
It's not clear how many people were on board the plane. One person has been pulled from the water so far. The condition of that person -- and the others -- is unknown.
At least one dead according to police.
From WNBC, the aircraft was N71MC, a Piper PA-32R Cherokee Lance, a single-engine, six seater, registered to a Pennsylvania address. Later versions were called the Saratoga (which is the aircraft JFK Jr. was lost in).
I'm sorry to read of this, haven't had news on today.
Any registration yet on the helicopter?
My condolences to those lost and to their families ..
Per Mayor Bloomberg News Conference:
Helicopter:
Liberty Tours
A3 Star 50 - 5 Italian Tourists
Took off from West 30th Street Heliport, headed west the turned South
Plane
Piper PA-32R Cherokee Lance
3 passengers (one child) aboard
Took off from Teterboro, was heading South.
2 bodies recovered, no survivors found
One aircraft found, unknown if it is helicopter or plane.
Stated plane hit right rear of helicopter.
Re: chopper... Bloomberg says 5 tourists + 1 pilot. Total would be 9 with plane pax.
"This is not going to have a happy ending like the Airbus where everybody survived." -Mayor Bloomberg
Bloomberg initially said 7 but the reports now are 5 so yes the total count is nine.
Jeez FOX has a close up of live events and it sure looked like a body being pulled out of the river.
Terrible news. That part of the Hudson is self-announce on 123.050 and if you have ever been down their listening
the tour helicopters are always broadcasting their location and sadly many "weekend warriors" dont. The fixed wing
departed Teterboro enroute to Ocean City, Md. One scenario has the fixed wing coming east to the Hudson from Teterboro to head across the Harbor and fly south along the coast. A good possibilty he was never on 123.050, maybe talking to EWR or Departure and the bright sun shining directly into his cockpit blinded him. At a news conference Mayor Bloomberg said a fellow Liberty pilot on the deck at W30St saw the plane coming at the copter and tried in vain to warn his co-worker.
Wow, FOX has eyewitnesses on live in the studio and they took incredible pics of the collision.
Holy smokes they are really amazing!!! Especially the ones of the two aircraft in the same pic plummeting to the water seconds after the incident!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by NIKV69
Hope those people dont get screwed out of the rights for those pictures.
Fox news just said no one survived. This is horrible. Prayers sent.
Ohhh...so sad...our prays go to the families as well..
Looks like right wing severed from acft.
The plane was N71MC, and the helo was N401LH.
RIP.
FOX will have family that snapped the pictures of the collision on in a few for those who haven't see them. They are riveting.
Sadly, I shot N401LH two years ago arriving at the Wall Street HeliportQuote:
Originally Posted by wunaladreamin
http://www.jetphotos.net/img/2/0/7/0...4472070_tb.jpg
RIP
If you haven't seen it yet, NYCA friend runway27r from Philly caught a shot of the Piper on a much happier day about a year ago.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3185/...32c7336ea4.jpg
Also, NYCA'er Futterman was blogging the events, more updates soon...
:arrow: Plane and Helicopter Collide Over the Hudson, Nine Believed Dead
WNBC-TV used Paul's photo on the 6pm news.
I'm being swamped with emails & phone calls for usage. I gave the rights in print in the NYC area to the Post. They are paying. :borat: I did not give permission to any network TV, but......
I was out at PHL and got home and found emails from Fox, ABC & NBC, after seeing it on ABC.
It will also appear in the Star Ledger, which was OK with the Post.
Sorry it had to be such tragic circumstances.
And they didn't find it on A.Net :shock:
Paul
NTSB is briefing right now. Another Liberty Helicopter pilot was at the heliport and witnessed the crash. He said the helicopter was heading southbound, and the Piper closed on it from behind. He radioed a warning to the chopper pilot, but received no response prior to the Piper hitting it from behind.
Back in April my family came from France to visit NY and we all took a tour on N130RU with Liberty. My first time in a helicopter, my father was terrified ..it was a very enjoyable flight. So sad this one turned out the way it did.
Very sad to hear.
We wil probably see some drastic changes to the airspace around Manhattan, with this on top of what we saw a few years ago with Corey Lidle.
Any links around to those photos of the crash?
RIP.
http://www.repubblica.it/2006/05/gal...-hudson/1.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
Wow. Look like Circle Line helped out a little there.
Anyone know if all are recovered?
No, three have been recovered, from the NTSB briefing it was two adults and the child. The helicopter has been located and marked, and one body has been spotted in that wreckage. The recovery operation ended for the night and will resume in the morning.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil D.
>We wil probably see some drastic changes to the airspace around Manhattan, with this on top of what we saw a few years ago with Corey Lidle.i<
I hope we dont see kneejerk reactions to this very tragic accident but I do know from listening and hearing from helo pilots
flying on the Hudson corridor that their biggest worry is what happened today, fixed wing pilots unfamiliar with the area and
not utilizing their radios and monitoring the 123.050 frequency and not paying attention. I would think the biggest change
would be having ATC (LGA or EWR) controlling the whole airspace on the Hudson. But I can also see the anti-helicopter/aviation
zealots grabbing onto this and making a lot of noise. Thankfully Mayor Mike is a helo/fixed wing pilot and he wont let these
people bully him. Listening to the so-called experts on Fox and CNN today made me cringe. But listening to Mayor Mikes news
conference was like a breath of fresh air.
FOX has acquired photos of the actual crash. Not for the faint of heart: http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/U.S...-river?slide=2
I'm also a little jealous of Miles O'Brien and his excellent article about the visceral reactions we're all expecting. Beware the Aviation Demagogues
Brian
>I'm also a little jealous of Miles O'Brien and his excellent article about the visceral reactions we're all expecting. Beware the Aviation Demagogues<
Excellent article so on the money. Thanks.
Anyone have the over-under when Rep. Anthony Weiner conducts his first anti-aviation news conference?
I took pictures of N401LH while I was by the park near the W. 30th St helliport back in May. Here,
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/IMG_0986.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/IMG_0985.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/IMG_0965.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/IMG_0952.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o...r/IMG_0933.jpg
as saddened as i feel for the families of those that lost thier lives in this accident i can't help my feel wary over the days to come. phil, you said that we might see changes in the hudson river exclusion the way we did in the east river after the cory lidle accident. i expect to see our great and wise senator me. schumer use all his aviation experience and know-how to demand the closure of this exclusion once more... (we may even hear about small airplanes "packed" with explosives again.)
murphy has a law, it states that amateurs are dangerous, because professionals are the predicatable ones. when i was discussing this with a few CALSTAR pilots yesterday that is where our conversations ended up. as someone who flies the harbor daily, and the hudson river a few times a year i can safely say i've seen my share of strange maneuvers and even a few "what the &*$# is he doing?!" moments. there is a CTAF in place for a reason. i sure hope that both crews were on it and using the frequency to announce thier intentions. otherwise, we just have a very expensive reminder of how negligence can kill.
He's not the Mayor-in-waiting anymore, so maybe he'll tone down the grandstanding, although I'm not optimistic. It's recess, so if we're lucky, he's on a Codel somewhere, safely away from any TV cameras.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard
The FAA has issued a TFR around the crash site, one mile radius, surface to 1,000 MSL, to keep unauthorized traffic away.
FoxNews has a homepage photo of a bodybag being loaded up onto a boat. :(
It was reported by CNN another deceased was recovered this afternoon. Not sure of time or location. This is such a sad mess. These things never have to happen. I'm sure it will open up a can of worms over the VFR Corridor also.
MSNBC is reporting that the Army Corps of Engineers recovered the wreckage of the helicopter from the river this morning, and NYPD reports that sonar has spotted the wreckage of the Piper, in two locations, near the site of the helicopter wreckage.
The story of the Italian woman and her son "Just missing" be on that flight is media generated BS. Sure she had tickets but they were not for a specific time or aircraft. In fact the 5 tourists who died were family friends and wanted to fly together which, sadly, worked out as 401LH seats 5 plus pilot. Mom/son would have been on another ship.
Just so much bad reporting on so many levels.
And recently in the discussion about the two news copters that had a mid-air the topic of "situational awareness" was brought up. Be aware of what is happening around you.
Last year also in Arizona two EMS copters enroute to a hospital had a mid-air on a weather day like yesterday.
And how about the private pilot who got lost in JFK airspace a few weeks ago and buzzed by commercial aircraft. Now that could have been ugly.
Yesterdays incident sounds like a tragic case of a lack of situational awareness.
OK off my soapbox.