2019 Bethpage Air Show at Jones Beach, NY May 25th & 26th

[fk6065]

2019 Bethpage Air Show at Jones Beach, NY Saturday May 25th & Sunday 26th

10:00AM to 3:00PM

Parking Fee: $10

Performers 2019:

United States Air Force Thunderbirds
United States Army Golden Knights
United States Navy Tac Demo
Sean D. Tucker – Team Oracle
John Klatt Airshows
“Screamin Sasquatch”
Matt Chapman – Embry Riddle
GEICO Sky Typers
B-17 Yankee Lady
American Air Power Museum Warbirds
SUNY Farmingdale Aviation
Red Bull helicopterU.S. Coast Guard Search and Rescue DemonstrationAnnouncer: Rob Reider (http://robreider.com/)
Airboss: Wayne Boggs (http://www.airbossconsulting.com/)
Static Displays:NY Guard Military Vehicles (http://dmna.ny.gov/nyg/)

Updated 5-11-19:

- 106th ANG SAR Demo no longer listed on Performers List
- USCG SAR Demo added to performers list

[fk6065]

Thunderbirds will be staging out of McArthur Airport

[ANITIX87]

Thunderbirds will be staging out of McArthur Airport
Does that generally lend itself to an FRG fly-by?

[moose135]

Does that generally lend itself to an FRG fly-by?

It hasn't in the past.

[fk6065]

United States Navy Tac Demo added tot the show

[dekdawg21]

Thunderbirds will be staging out of McArthur Airport

At least Mcarthur has been getting better with setting up a viewing area for the Thunderbirds

[Billbo1970]

Any chance more "thunder" will sign on?

[dekdawg21]

Any chance more "thunder" will sign on?

Always a chance but a lot of teams are booked that weekend

[dekdawg21]

Just announced on Facebook that the Red Bull helicopter will be attending this years show. Been a while since we've had it!

[fieldywanb]

Is it just me or is this years show kind of slow?

[fk6065]

Not officially related to the air show but here is a link to The American Air Power Museum's Legends of Air Power Weekend
http://americanairpowermuseum.com/2019/04/29/legends-of-airpower-weekend-may-2019/

Unfortunately we are three weeks out and no information has been released about the event.

[fk6065]

Again not officially related to the air show but happening the same weekend as part of NYC Fleet Week,

Event: Navy Aviation - Eisenhower ParkTime: 10 a.m. - 2:30 p.m.Location: Eisenhower Park, East Meadow (Nassau County)The U.S. Navy will host an aviation event at Eisenhower Park in East Meadow (Nassau County), NY. Event will include military an non-military static displays and the U.S. Fleet Forces "Brass Band" will also perform. Event is free and open to the public.

[fk6065]

Also as an FYI there is presently construction on the second bridge of the Meadowbrook Parkway, the draw bridge, and only one lane going south and one lane going north is open. Hopefully repairs will be completed before Memorial Day Weekend.

If not I would use the Wantagh Parkway

[fk6065]

FYI - No more toll booths on the Meadowbrook or Wantagh State Parkways. No more kiosks by the main bath house. You now pay your parking admission, $10, at a booth at the parking field.

Here is a link to see how full each field is

https://parks.ny.gov/parks/jonesbeach/ (on the right hand side click on parking)

[fk6065]

Official web site

http://bethpageairshow.com/

[fk6065]

According to The Bethpage Federal Credit Union App the B-17 Yankee Lady will be appearing in the show and stage out of The American AirPower Museum.

[Speedbagel_001]

Official web site

http://bethpageairshow.com/

According to their site, there is also a mobile app available which offers performer info, including a live radio feed. Also noticed they have completely revamped the "logo" for the show.

[fk6065]

According to their site, there is also a mobile app available which offers performer info, including a live radio feed. Also noticed they have completely revamped the "logo" for the show.

Yes the APP seems very good

[rkfast]

According to their site, there is also a mobile app available which offers performer info, including a live radio feed. Also noticed they have completely revamped the "logo" for the show.

Glad they changed the logo. They sure as hell havent changed the lineup. Even the casual observers I bring to JB shows comment "this is the same as last year."

[Billbo1970]

I still attend (unless it rains out), but the show has been sub-par for the last several years. When it first started there really were a lot more performers, especially in the military jets category. Now? It alternates between the BA's & TB's... and MAYBE you see one other jet demo :( I'll never forget one of those early years, where we had the BA's, CAF Super Hornet, US Super Hornet, A-10, B1-B, Snow Birds, Breitling, and a few other jet teams that I can't quite recall. Still have never seen a B2 in person and wish one would fly at Jones :(

[fieldywanb]

So I take my vacation around the airshow every year and am a very amateur photographer, does anyone have a good place for me to camp out it ISP without ruffling too many feathers? Prefer the planes to be in motion when I photograph them...

[dekdawg21]

So I take my vacation around the airshow every year and am a very amateur photographer, does anyone have a good place for me to camp out it ISP without ruffling too many feathers? Prefer the planes to be in motion when I photograph them...

Last two times Thunderbirds were at ISP the opened an area for viewing. Other than that they will chase you from what I've heard. I know non past threads for Thunderbird shows people have posted where they would try. Think Ronkonkoma Train station was one.

I'm like you and take vacation around air show time but only for the Blues come to town as its more friendly to spot at Republic

[fk6065]

The American AirPower Museum releases an update on their Legends of AirPower Weekend 2019, from their Facebook page,

”The Legends of Airpower 2019 this Memorial Day Weekend at the American Airpower Museum at Republic Airport in Farmingdale, NY. Join us as we honor the 75th Anniversary of D-Day this Memorial Day Weekend. Come take a flight in WWII Legends the B-17G Flying Fortress and one of the only two seat TP-40N Warhawks! Come see the Museum aircraft collection, along with visiting Warbirds like the FG-1D Corsair, MK1 Spitfire, and ultra rare Mitsubishi Zero!”

[ch2tdriver]

The American AirPower Museum releases an update on their Legends of AirPower Weekend 2019, from their Facebook page,

”The Legends of Airpower 2019 this Memorial Day Weekend at the American Airpower Museum at Republic Airport in Farmingdale, NY. Join us as we honor the 75th Anniversary of D-Day this Memorial Day Weekend. Come take a flight in WWII Legends the B-17G Flying Fortress and one of the only two seat TP-40N Warhawks! Come see the Museum aircraft collection, along with visiting Warbirds like the FG-1D Corsair, MK1 Spitfire, and ultra rare Mitsubishi Zero!”
WOAH! OK so I've just decided I'm NOT going to the beach since the show is a re-run of the past 4 years. But to see a Spit and ZERO?!!!? AAM it will be!

[Chris S]

FYI - I see the 106th Rescue Wing Demo has been taken off the performers list now and a
Coast Guard search and rescue demo from Cape Cod has been added to the list instead.

[fieldywanb]

So we are getting close to the show, does anyone have any arrival times for the acts yet?

[Innes]

Hey guys anyone know the times the T-Birds are coming in and there weekly schedule. And the best place to view them in the air at MacArther airport for some Ariel shots.

[Chris S]

FYI, the FAA posted the TFRs for the show and the air space is closed from 3PM to 4PM
over Jones Beach on Thurs. afternoon. That's when the T-Birds should be doing their circle
and arrival maneuvers, where they pick out landmarks to use as they fly, and get familiar
with the surroundings down at the beach and over the water for their flight demonstration.

https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_9_7836.html

[Surfrod55]

Do we have the Day and time the T Birds are coming into ISP.

[dekdawg21]

FYI, the FAA posted the TFRs for the show and the air space is closed from 3PM to 4PM
over Jones Beach on Thurs. afternoon. That's when the T-Birds should be doing their circle
and arrival maneuvers, where they pick out landmarks to use as they fly, and get familiar
with the surroundings down at the beach and over the water for their flight demonstration.

https://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_9_7836.html

Weird only an hour in the afternoon and at 3:00. Makes ya wonder if they're coming in Thursday late morning.

[Chris S]

Weird only an hour in the afternoon and at 3:00. Makes ya wonder if they're coming in Thursday late morning.

Yeah, since the T-Birds will be flying all the way from Vegas to ISP on Thursday,
they probably won't be arriving until late in the morning or early afternoon if all
goes well and then they'll go up again and practice over Jones Beach from 3 - 4PM.

[Surfrod55]

I am trying to remember if they have to do a flyby for the graduation. My be that's why Thursday arrival.

[Speedbagel_001]

I am trying to remember if they have to do a flyby for the graduation. My be that's why Thursday arrival.

You may be thinking of the Blue Angels who typically fly down from here (in the alternate years when they're in town for the Airshow) for the Naval Academy Graduation.

[Chris S]

I am trying to remember if they have to do a flyby for the graduation. My be that's why Thursday arrival.

The T-Birds are scheduled to do the USAFA Graduation Flyover next Thurs., May 30th in Colorado Springs, CO.

[Surfrod55]

yes that is what I was thinking of Had the wrong date.

[dekdawg21]

yes that is what I was thinking of Had the wrong date.

I was thinking the same thing as 2 years ago they had the graduation flyover the week leading up to the airshow

[fk6065]

The “Screamin Sasquatch” team has reportedly arrived and are near Sheltaire.

[Chris S]

According to the Show's FB page and these cool photos they posted, the Red Bull Helicopter
has arrived also and it did a little teaser show in NYC over the Hudson this past weekend >>>>

https://www.facebook.com/BethpageAirShow/photos/a.104493239584226/2592129337487258/?type=3&eid=ARD3riZCh5y_HP4IlLzCfcIGw-0Z7z62ckB7QwRlHbAB3uIqYAfn_2VACOD5cuKLLEdM-eDDZ5nLJ3qx&__xts__%5B0%5D=68.ARDB6JkJ1xqc6Dg6KQbcIjZl_Cjnc25R VcQwRNEXphlf-XADLhH0WpdJ6lyX7NxhS-REv1f0QLRl66lc14K9y60pDDoaRNU2QLi3Bva1G_Y1kqr5fHN8 DuNf2uN4ikPTGil8_eoHl88VUVcJdsNz1NL_QZyTK7ZxmMLAyX gz3i_txth1VkiQ56aDXmfIGEQBFfknH9DdkkyGwg9gnCd2Q8iP qkmuQUQOrTXsTQtYuWRabEtQVDf3Hy4-NIciI50yPF5oSFbK7iZk6T2Tbs5YQzs3yAVRNr5cx8OR6_I583 uM5zKx&__tn__=EHH-Rhttps://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/60703170_2592129377487254_4868598811611627520_n.jp g?_nc_cat=105&_nc_ht=scontent-lga3-1.xx&oh=4e6a9ddaf97cf42c3e88bb181517ffef&oe=5D556FBC

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[fk6065]

The P 40 Warhawk American Dream is due in today to the AAM

[fk6065]

P40 American Dream arrived at the AAM about 2 hours ago and is being stored inside the museum.

[dekdawg21]

Messaged the airport and they said that the Thunderbirds will be located in a different area this year with limited space and they will not be able to have a viewing area.

[Chris S]

Messaged the airport and they said that the Thunderbirds will be located in a different area this year with limited space and they will not be able to have a viewing area.

Just another reason why the T-Birds should've gotten a waiver to use Republic Airport this year!
The T-Birds are missing the boat once again when it comes to public relations and recruiting for
this show with the people and most importantly kids who want to see and meet them up close !!

[dekdawg21]

Very true Chris.

Also asked them if they had an ETA for their arrival. They said that unfortunately they do not get an exact time on their arrival but its usually in the afternoon. That would make sense for only having a 3-4 TFR.

[Chris S]

FYI - I was trying to find out arrival time info for the Super Hornet from Republic Airport,
but the only info they had right now was that the F-18s would be parked over at Sheltair
for the show this weekend.

[Chris S]

Team Oracle and Jacks Links are giving media rides to News 12 and other media people right now at Sheltair.

[fieldywanb]

I work in the rockaways and saw a couple of the civilian acts flying together yesterday afternoon out over the ocean keeping it low as to not interfere with JFK. I live close to republic and this morning I had the pleasure of seeing quite a few of the same acts out of my skylight flying together presumably doing media flights...gotta love it, except for the T birds being all secretive and such lol...

[moose135]

Just another reason why the T-Birds should've gotten a waiver to use Republic Airport this year!
Which is great until you bend something. Then you have to explain to the commander of Air Combat Command the reasoning behind your decision to issue a waiver rather than use an airport that meets all you requirements just a few miles down the road...

[rkfast]

Which is great until you bend something. Then you have to explain to the commander of Air Combat Command the reasoning behind your decision to issue a waiver rather than use an airport that meets all you requirements just a few miles down the road...

I expect you to defend the Air Force, but you know deep down that them skipping Republic is not right and the Thunderbirds and AF demo teams basically hiding their aircraft and cutting off virtually all access at Islip is antithetical towards everything being an air show team is about

I’ll give you that they may not want to violate their stated minimums for runway length. OK, if that’s a hard rule, so be it. But there really is no excuse for the AF not making the jets and teams more accessible to the fans at ISP then. They are a demo team. PR is the name of the game. And they are doing a bad job with it by limiting access so much.

[Chris S]

Which is great until you bend something. Then you have to explain to the commander of Air Combat Command the reasoning behind your decision to issue a waiver rather than use an airport that meets all you requirements just a few miles down the road...

Listen, we've been through this before and I know you'll always stick up for the T-Birds since you're an Air Force guy, Moose.
Funny how back in 1983 when the T-Birds first started flying the F-16 they had NO PROBLEM using FRG back then for the
Coney Island Air Show AND they didn't even have a temporary arresting system in place or an EMAS system installed at FRG!!
Either way, the T-Birds are still dropping the ball by being hidden away somewhere on the ISP field where it's hard for their
fans and possible future recruits to see their jets up close and meet them in person after they fly at Jones Beach.

[moose135]

I don't know that's it's just the runway length - although if it is shorter than their minimums, I can see they not wanting to spend the time and energy trying to get a waiver. Didn't one of the Blue Angel jets spend weeks at FRG following the show a couple of years back after fodding an engine? I know the last time the Snowbirds were at the show, I heard Lead refuse to taxi back on the taxiway east of 1/19 because of loose pavement on the taxiway. If there is other stuff going on, beyond just runway length, it may all go into their choice.

[dekdawg21]

Someone on Facebook in the Ronkonkoma area reported seeing a Thunderbird flying toward MacArthur yesterday afternoon. Would make sense for it to be the advance pilot if the team is arriving today.

[dekdawg21]

Thunderbirds tweeted at around 8:30am that they are headed our way and will be conducting site survey at 3pm.

[tuko829]

ISP tower reports ETA around 2pm.

[Chris S]

Just heard the Super Hornets have landed at FRG :cool:just before 1PM.

[JBeccPhoto]

F18's just landed.

[JBeccPhoto]

Golden Knights just landed.

[Speedbagel_001]

I don't know that's it's just the runway length - although if it is shorter than their minimums, I can see they not wanting to spend the time and energy trying to get a waiver. Didn't one of the Blue Angel jets spend weeks at FRG following the show a couple of years back after fodding an engine? I know the last time the Snowbirds were at the show, I heard Lead refuse to taxi back on the taxiway east of 1/19 because of loose pavement on the taxiway. If there is other stuff going on, beyond just runway length, it may all go into their choice.

I have heard from a reliable source that the real reason the T-birds won't go back to Republic is in fact FOD related. Apparently the last time the were here, an F-16 lost an engine on T/O due to FOD.

[rkfast]

I have heard from a reliable source that the real reason the T-birds won't go back to Republic is in fact FOD related. Apparently the last time the were here, an F-16 lost an engine on T/O due to FOD.

That makes zero sense. FOD can happen anywhere. FRG is the biggest GA airport in the country with plenty of jet traffic every single day, several top of the line FBO facilities, etc. It gets everything from Cessna's to Gulfstreams to Boeing airliners in and out all day long. This aint no podunk dirt field in the middle of nowhere.

Id LOVE to speak to some of the T-Birds pilots who flew in to FRG last time and find out what their experiences really were. If he told me operating out of FRG was tough on the pilots and hard on equipment....if he had to go full burner just to get off the ground with room to spare or had to stand on the brakes on every touchdown...then fine.....Ill never complain about this again. But if thats not the case, then this refusal to even consider FRG is just bureaucratic paperwork bull**** as far as Im concerned. And hiding the jets and by extension the pilots and crew away from the public at ISP is just wrong for a team whose primary mission is PR.

This is just my opinion and we all know what opinions are like.

[dekdawg21]

I have heard from a reliable source that the real reason the T-birds won't go back to Republic is in fact FOD related. Apparently the last time the were here, an F-16 lost an engine on T/O due to FOD.

Lost its engine on takeoff?

[dekdawg21]

Thunderbirds just landed

[tuko829]

2 solos just finished at jones beach.

[fieldywanb]

Only 5 and 6 did circles today...any chance we get 1-4 up before the storms?

[rkfast]

I don't know that's it's just the runway length - although if it is shorter than their minimums, I can see they not wanting to spend the time and energy trying to get a waiver. Didn't one of the Blue Angel jets spend weeks at FRG following the show a couple of years back after fodding an engine? I know the last time the Snowbirds were at the show, I heard Lead refuse to taxi back on the taxiway east of 1/19 because of loose pavement on the taxiway. If there is other stuff going on, beyond just runway length, it may all go into their choice.

Thats totally fair. I just made another comment to this effect on a separate post...if FRG just doesnt work for them for bona fide operational reasons, then fine. We cant complain. That said, I think whats really triggering me here is the idea that they are not being more public friendly at ISP. Not saying they have to park at arms reach and yes, we are a bit spoiled when the Blues are at the terminal at FRG. But there has to be a happy medium somewhere, right?

[Billbo1970]

Not saying they have to park at arms reach and yes, we are a bit spoiled when the Blues are at the terminal at FRG. But there has to be a happy medium somewhere, right?

Spot on!

[Billbo1970]

I’ll give you that they may not want to violate their stated minimums for runway length. OK, if that’s a hard rule, so be it.

What is their stated minimum runway length? These are the technical specs for an F-16:



Takeoff Distance
(F-16A) 1,750 ft (535 m) with 4,000 lb (1,815 kg) external load


Landing Distance
(F-16A) 2,650 ft (810 m) with 4,000 lb (1,815 kg) external load



I'm assuming those are minimums, which means full A/B, but FRG has two asphalt runways: 14/32 is 6,833 by 150 feet (2,083 x 46 m) and 1/19 is 5,516 by 150 feet (1,681 x 46 m). Either one is double those stated specs of the aircraft...

[dekdawg21]

What is their stated minimum runway length? These are the technical specs for an F-16:



Takeoff Distance
(F-16A) 1,750 ft (535 m) with 4,000 lb (1,815 kg) external load


Landing Distance
(F-16A) 2,650 ft (810 m) with 4,000 lb (1,815 kg) external load



I'm assuming those are minimums, which means full A/B, but FRG has two asphalt runways: 14/32 is 6,833 by 150 feet (2,083 x 46 m) and 1/19 is 5,516 by 150 feet (1,681 x 46 m). Either one is double those stated specs of the aircraft...

When the Thunderbird slid off the runway 2 years ago I saw 6,000-8,000 was required in wet conditions. Couldn't find anything more specific about what they require. However their support manual states that if the runway is less than 7,000 feet it must have arresting gear. So for Replublic we're talking what 167 feet short?

[Chris S]

The Super Hornet Demo is scheduled to fly twice on Friday so that both F-18 crews can practice their demos at Jones Beach!

[RepublicAviation]

Anyone have times for tomorrow? Definitely interested in seeing both Hornet demos. I'm guessing the first will go up around 11:30-12? Thanks in advance and hope you all enjoy the weekend!

[Chris S]

Yes, I heard one of the Super Hornet Demos is scheduled for around 11:30 but not sure when the other will be yet.

[fk6065]

The Show organizers announced on Facebook that they will not be releasing any type of flying schedule except that the Thunderbirds are scheduled to perform at 2:00PM.

[fk6065]

Also FYI The Meadowbrook Parkway only has two lanes open near the old toll booth due to construction. It will cause delays getting down to the show.

Wantagh Parkway has all 3 lanes open

[dekdawg21]

Thunderbirds 1-4 going up at 10

[dekdawg21]

No Golden Knights today due to wind

[Boxman]

Super Hornet practice demo this morning reminded me of one from a few years ago. If there are "high shows," this one would be called a "far show."

Was a bit out there, I'm guessing due to the winds out of the north.

Nice to watch, not great for photography, but that's fine too.

[Billbo1970]

The Show organizers announced on Facebook that they will not be releasing any type of flying schedule except that the Thunderbirds are scheduled to perform at 2:00PM.

So... The Air Force's premier demo team & PR machine won't fly out of the airport that hosts an awesome museum, won't have a viewing area at the airport they ARE staging out of, and won't even release any kind of schedule... nice... notQ! :rolleyes::confused: :confused:... and this coming from someone with a LONG history of Air Force in the family, who would have joined himself if not for being denied due to diabetes...

[Chris S]

NYS Park officials said that today marked an attendance record for a Friday practice at Jones Beach at around 66,000 people !!

[Chris S]

BTW, who ever flew the AAM's B-25 over the beach today did a GREAT job, but did anyone notice the
the tacky Hulu advertisement on the top side of the B-25 saying "Catch-22" on the top of each wing
and "Now streaming on Hulu" on the top side of it's fuselage also !! Geez !!

[Billbo1970]

did anyone notice the tacky Hulu advertisement on the top side of the B-25 saying "Catch-22" on the top of each wing
and "Now streaming on Hulu" on the top side of it's fuselage also !! Geez !!

Wow, that IS tacky, and totally ruins the illusion! I know they need to get some extra advertising dollars, but there has to be a better solution... placards INSIDE when touring at the museum(s), or even pulling a streamer behind would me MUCH better.

[dekdawg21]

BTW, who ever flew the AAM's B-25 over the beach today did a GREAT job, but did anyone notice the
the tacky Hulu advertisement on the top side of the B-25 saying "Catch-22" on the top of each wing
and "Now streaming on Hulu" on the top side of it's fuselage also !! Geez !!

I saw that yesterday and couldn't make out what it read. Sad but i guess if that's what it takes to keep the bird flying...

[dekdawg21]

Can anyone confirm was that a low show the Thunderbirds flew yesterday? Loved the 3 sneak passes but aside from that wasn't impressed.

[RCFLYER86]

Hello all! I was at the show today and stayed after about 40ish minutes from when the T-Birds concluded. Looking East I noticed something like 8-12 airplanes far in the distance and saw a few puffs of airshow smoke, was this some photo op or something?

[Chris S]

Hello all! I was at the show today and stayed after about 40ish minutes from when the T-Birds concluded. Looking East I noticed something like 8-12 airplanes far in the distance and saw a few puffs of airshow smoke, was this some photo op or something?

At Republic Airport around 3PM the AAM launched about 15 warbirds that included the Zero, 2 Mustangs, Corsair, Avenger, B-25, C-47 and at least 8 more visiting T-6 / SNJs !!! They all headed south and then just before 4PM they all cameback from the north in sections of 3 doing flyovers first and then break to land passes and it was just AMAZING to see that many warbirds up in the air at once !! Great job by the AAM and all the visiting civiilan pilots who were flying the other Texans also !!

[RCFLYER86]

Wow thanks! Hopefully they do something similar tomorrow!

[Chris S]

BTW, heard the Super Hornets will be departing sometime after the show on Sunday but don't have a specific time.

[imyrless]

How many Super Hornets are at FRG? And about what time to they takeoff for the show?

Thanks

-Dave-

[Chris S]

How many Super Hornets are at FRG? And about what time to they takeoff for the show?

Thanks

-Dave-

There's 2 Super Hornets at FRG and the one they used in the demo today took off about 11:15 on RWY 32.

[imyrless]

There's 2 Super Hornets at FRG and the one they used in the demo today took off about 11:15 on RWY 32.

Thank you!

[fieldywanb]

Does anyone know if the thunderbirds do a fly by of republic before or after their show?

[fieldywanb]

BTW, who ever flew the AAM's B-25 over the beach today did a GREAT job, but did anyone notice the
the tacky Hulu advertisement on the top side of the B-25 saying "Catch-22" on the top of each wing
and "Now streaming on Hulu" on the top side of it's fuselage also !! Geez !!
It wasn't just the top, it was every side of the fuselage, and the wings...beautiful airplane with an advertisement plastered on it. I would have preferred them having it just on one side, to give those of us the opportunity to view the plane in it's original glory without the ad at least on a few passes. I immediately thought of a Christmas story when he gets the decoder..."A crumby commercial"

[Chris S]

Does anyone know if the thunderbirds do a fly by of republic before or after their show?
Unfortunately they don't!


It wasn't just the top, it was every side of the fuselage, and the wings...beautiful airplane with an advertisement plastered on it. I would have preferred them having it just on one side, to give those of us the opportunity to view the plane in it's original glory without the ad at least on a few passes. I immediately thought of a Christmas story when he gets the decoder..."A crumby commercial"

Yeah, I noticed it was all over the aircraft when I went through more of my photos!!
I agree, and I can't believe they even covered OVER part of the B-25's side "Star and Bar" logo also !! WTF !!!!
Like Bill mentioned, I would have rather seen a banner plane pulling a "Catch-22" banner advertisement
flown before and after the show instead of disgracing a warbird like that!!

[RCFLYER86]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/452014580940668940/581946437978554369/IMG_7157.JPGYeah this is odd looking, though most likely temporary decals. However I did like the highlight of the B-25 at the show and some nice low passes rather then the typical circuits over the water.

[rkfast]

Its a shame this board isnt as popular as it used to be. I dont know if the regulars have gone on to greener pastures or if the lack of activity here is a testament to the JBAS being...not sure what the right word is....."routine" now?

Anyway...to close the loop on the whole TBirds/FRG thing, I spoke to Lt. Col. Eric Gorney who is the Operations Officer down on the beach on Friday and asked him directly what the deal is in terms of the TBirds flying into FRG. I pulled no punches (but was polite, of course) in saying that we REALLY missing seeing the TBirds there and that there is a big missed opportunity for positive PR by going to ISP instead. He said he fully recognizes that its an issue and that they would like to fly into FRG to take advantage of being more accessible to the fans. But the fact of the matter is that 14/32 at Republic is too short for them based on their 8,000' minimum runway length. He did not mention any past incidents, like with FOD or anything like that. FRG just doesnt provide what they need in terms of the airfield, itself. He did say that they can and do go down to a 6,500' minimum runway length for some shows but not without getting a waiver and not without a wire/trap system set up and both of those things are not easy to get. He said a wire set up costs upwards of $40,000 for the weekend and getting the waiver involves the usual bureaucratic stuff that goes into govt. paperwork! So they are oinly going to do this if they really have to and if there is another field close by that wont involve spending this money and time to fly into, they are just going to do that.

As far as Im concerned, while I dont like this as a fan, it is what it is and them's the rules.

[Billbo1970]

Its a shame this board isnt as popular as it used to be. I dont know if the regulars have gone on to greener pastures or if the lack of activity here is a testament to the JBAS being...not sure what the right word is....."routine" now?

I've been wondering the same, these airshow threads and the FRG Notables thread are fairly dead now :(


He did say that they can and do go down to a 6,500' minimum runway length for some shows but not without getting a waiver and not without a wire/trap system set up and both of those things are not easy to get...As far as Im concerned, while I dont like this as a fan, it is what it is and them's the rules.

Yeah, it's just that I don't understand this requirement when the stated specs are: "Landing Distance (F-16A) 2,650 ft (810 m) with 4,000 lb (1,815 kg) external load" and FRG has two asphalt runways: 14/32 is 6,833 by 150 feet - 1/19 is 5,516 by 150 feet. Either one is double those stated specs. If that landing distance is a minimum w/ arresting wires, then OK, but it doesn't specifically state that. If the minimum is 2,650 with 4k external load... how much shorter can it be when there are no armaments, and it's presumably 4k-lbs lighter? You'd think over 6800ft would be plenty of length...

[Speedbagel_001]

Lost its engine on takeoff?

To clarify, it lost a blade. They changed out the engine with their spare. Yes, FOD happens anywhere at any time. However, the team used that specific incident as a "last straw" reason to blame the airport management with providing non-satisfactory facilities. Far easier to simply say "runways are too short", than get into details. As we all know, they had no problem using KFRG for many years and had arresting gear in place. As far as KISP goes, they wouldn't even let CAP or Suffolk PD get up close even for a quick photo opp. I was there early Monday morning waiting for the team to depart but was notified that their C-17 was down for repairs, in Delaware. The team was going to wait for it to be fixed and fly in to KISP to pick up their gear before heading out. I did not hear the outcome as I left around 9am.

In contrast, the Navy folks were very accommodating to visitors, fans and officials. Was able to have an escorted up close look at the TAC Demo Super Hornets.

[moose135]

Yeah, it's just that I don't understand this requirement when the stated specs are: "Landing Distance (F-16A) 2,650 ft (810 m) with 4,000 lb (1,815 kg) external load" and FRG has two asphalt runways: 14/32 is 6,833 by 150 feet - 1/19 is 5,516 by 150 feet. Either one is double those stated specs. If that landing distance is a minimum w/ arresting wires, then OK, but it doesn't specifically state that. If the minimum is 2,650 with 4k external load... how much shorter can it be when there are no armaments, and it's presumably 4k-lbs lighter? You'd think over 6800ft would be plenty of length...

It's not about some specs you found online, it is about the operational requirements set forth by the Air Force and Air Combat Command for peacetime operations.

[RepublicAviation]

I agree with you rkfast, could be that the air shows in the surrounding areas provide a bit of a better show e.g. the NY Airshow at Stewart and Atlantic City. Unfortunately with the T-birds being based out of ISP every other year, it sorta makes it feel like a 'down' year because you can only really enjoy them at the beach. However, this year's practice was pretty dang good (could've been better than the actual show on Sat/Sun, however I wasn't there to compare), with both the Super Hornet and T-birds flying twice. Not to mention the weather was phenomenal aside from the chill-down on Saturday. All-in-all, always appreciate the information everyone on this board provides and hopefully next year there will be a tad more interest. Enjoy the Summer, everyone!

[dekdawg21]

I agree with you rkfast, could be that the air shows in the surrounding areas provide a bit of a better show e.g. the NY Airshow at Stewart and Atlantic City. Unfortunately with the T-birds being based out of ISP every other year, it sorta makes it feel like a 'down' year because you can only really enjoy them at the beach. However, this year's practice was pretty dang good (could've been better than the actual show on Sat/Sun, however I wasn't there to compare), with both the Super Hornet and T-birds flying twice. Not to mention the weather was phenomenal aside from the chill-down on Saturday. All-in-all, always appreciate the information everyone on this board provides and hopefully next year there will be a tad more interest. Enjoy the Summer, everyone!

Friday show was not great. The wind killed it. No Golden Knights, no Yankee Lady, Reb Bull helicopter had to cut short its routine, TBM had to turn back after takeoff and only had the spitfire p-51 and b-25 warbirds, Thunderbirds did a quick low show. The Super Hornet twice was cool.

[rkfast]

It's not about some specs you found online, it is about the operational requirements set forth by the Air Force and Air Combat Command for peacetime operations.

Yup.

Like I said in my post above....8,000' is the number and they arent going to violate that unless they really have to.

I hate that its like this as much as the next guy and yes...the Air Force/Thunderbirds do seem a bit more...I dont know what the right word is....resource intensive?...strict?...tight? compared to the Navy. But that's how they operate the team and their equipment and that's their decision to do so. It might be their general MO. Every branch does things differently and has a different mentality. But it might also have something to do with the aircraft both branches fly. We all know a Navy aircraft is designed for flying in and out of bad conditions and as such, is more versatile on the ground. Wheras Air Force jets are different animals, built for flying in and out of airports and bases with long, smooth runways. The "needs" of a Navy jet vs. an Air Force one are just different and the branches operate them accordingly, and that goes for their demo teams, too.