AirShowBuzz Closed

[moose135]

I visited Airshowbuzz.com tonight, and found this posted:


Airshowbuzz has flown west
When we launched ASB 5 years ago it quickly became the premier online community for the air show industry. During that time, we have met countless friends from around the world who share our passion for aviation.

While it has been an amazing experience, we ultimately realize our true passion lies in our involvement with the live air show community and doing what we love most, flying. Because of this, we will be closing ASB effective immediately. Moving forward, we will put all our energy towards being part of the wonderful group of family and friends at the live events across the country.

We want to thank all of you for being a part of this great experience and we look forward to seeing you at an air show very soon.

[fk6065]

Wow, too bad was a great resource, guess Fence Check will be happy.

[Big Tim #70]

It's a real bummer.

I have always used ASB to follow the teams & shows around the country. It has also been a place where many of us have been able to meet & become friends with many of the performers. Sadly, I've seen ASB appear to be in a slow decent over the last year or so & have seen some of the founding members disapear all together. Not a big fan of FC, just not as user friendly.

[fk6065]

It's a real bummer.

I have always used ASB to follow the teams & shows around the country. It has also been a place where many of us have been able to meet & become friends with many of the performers. Sadly, I've seen ASB appear to be in a slow decent over the last year or so & have seen some of the founding members disapear all together. Not a big fan of FC, just not as user friendly.

Definately right Tim, I always found them to be great resource for the shows especially for me Rhode Island, A/C, JSOH, Oceana.

And I agree Fence Check is not as user friendly.

[moose135]

I've always been a bit ambivalent about ASB. It had some great information, and it was interesting to read some of the posts from the performers, but some members got a little too "fan boy" about interacting with the performers on the board. And I got a bit turned off right from the start - they launched the site in 2007, and promoted it heavily during the Jones Beach Air Show. That was also the year Shipley brought his F-86 to the show. I got a great departure shot from the old tower, and posted it here. When I went to check out ASB a couple of days later, the photo was posted, uncredited, in their "favorite photos" section. I sent Shipley a message - since he seemed to be in charge at the time, politely saying "I'm glad you like my photo, and I'm happy for you to display it on ASB, I just ask that you credit me." A day or two later I received a one line reply from him "The photo has been removed." If that's your attitude, then yes, by all means remove it.

[MORS-AB-ALTO]

AirshowBuzz has been on the downward spiral for over a year. I had not been able to post there for just as long due a login glitch with Google on my mobile device, or at least that's what their webmaster explained to me. In the end they never fixed the problem and I was left as just an onlooker. Though great for info their admins had definately failed to keep up with the slop that entered their messageboards recently. I do agree it was much more user friendly than Fencecheck in the beginning. However, Liza has taken great strides the past few years in in making Fencecheck more welcoming to those outside the fence so to speak.

[fk6065]

I remember that shot, that was an awesome shot Moose, wonder why the attitude. I just like the fact that it provided info on the off Long Island shows making travel planning easier.

[Big Tim #70]

I too remember that shot & the back story Moose.

ASB hosted a really cool get together 3 years ago at Jim Beasley's hanger in Chester. It was very cool to hang & see Jimmy's planes up close. That being said, I also agree with Moose that ASB became very "Fanboyish". I think that kind of turned off some of the performers as well since we saw less & less of them over the years.

Oh well, it was fun while it lasted.
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[flightfan]

Hello everyone. As a refugee from ASB, I hope those who have seen my posts over the years at that site, would not consider me a "fanboy". I always enjoyed meeting some of the airshow performers but certainly didn't consider it a lifetime goal. My love has always been the aircraft. Oh, sure, I was a bit "starstruck" meeting Dale Snodgrass and a couple other legends over the years, but to me, those pilots were just as important to aviation as the planes.

But, be that as it may, from what I have seen of this site, your love of aviation will help me to feed mine. Something that ASB was doing. Can't be much of a plane spotter here in my town, Tallahassee Florida. The local airport hardly lets you get in the same zip code as the runways. There is the occasional EAA fly-in in which I can take pics, so I'll just sit back and enjoy the postings here if you don't mind.

Signed the ASB refugee, Flightfan

[Derf]

Flightfan....I am sorry for your loss.. We hope you stick around!


I post this Bombshell for you
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/Aviation/AAM-Pinup-Photoshoot-91811/i-QVmfJ7d/0/L/IMG3798-L.jpg

[flightfan]

Wow, and I thought the pics on Fence Check were tough to compete with.

[PhilDernerJr]

Hello everyone. As a refugee from ASB, I hope those who have seen my posts over the years at that site, would not consider me a "fanboy". I always enjoyed meeting some of the airshow performers but certainly didn't consider it a lifetime goal. My love has always been the aircraft. Oh, sure, I was a bit "starstruck" meeting Dale Snodgrass and a couple other legends over the years, but to me, those pilots were just as important to aviation as the planes.

But, be that as it may, from what I have seen of this site, your love of aviation will help me to feed mine. Something that ASB was doing. Can't be much of a plane spotter here in my town, Tallahassee Florida. The local airport hardly lets you get in the same zip code as the runways. There is the occasional EAA fly-in in which I can take pics, so I'll just sit back and enjoy the postings here if you don't mind.

Signed the ASB refugee, Flightfan

Welcome to the site, flightfan! Whatever your aviation flavor is, we love to talk about it around here, so you're in good company. Glad to have you, and sorry to hear about ASB.

[Perriwen]

I have to say, I'm not terribly sorry to see it go.

One thing I have noticed on many photography/spotting sites is how vicious people can be to a different opinion. And the better the photographer, the more vicious. I remember when I was a teenager on the old ICAS forums, I posted an opinion, and many people took 'great offense to it and declared me an enemy'. One very popular photographer (a name I am sure everyone here knows) for years has gone off onto cussing/insulting rants anytime he sees me post on just about any site, it seems. Even into the ASB days, if you didn't have the 'US military is an absolute flawless force that can never ever do any wrong and every other country on the planet sucks' attitude in your posts, people would declare you enemies and attack you at levels that would be equal to or below gradeschool. The same people would suck up to performers to try and gain favor and access..

That's another thing, access gets you the blind eye. On the Houston Spotters forums, we had this one guy who would go on rants you wouldn't believe. He even at one point told me to kill myself, then deleted the post and tried to pretend I was making it up. They never did a thing about him in his attacks or rants because he could get people access. But me...I was banned for...get ready....mentioning a participant at a fly-in they claimed would not be there and I was giving out false information, but then it turned out that participant was in fact there. I since figured out and had it confirmed they simply did it to maintain favor to the person that wanted access from. Also, there was an incident when it was talking about security at airports, and I just casually mentioned amature spotters didn't have a business card to show as credientials. Oooh, that HAD to mean that I was bitter at the 'professionals' and they even tried to arrange face-to-face arguments.

Thank you NYC aviation for being the first mature aviation forum I could find.

So, yeah. As useful as ASB could be, it was also quite a cesspool.

/rant

[PhilDernerJr]

I'm sorry you experienced those things around the internet, Perriwen. It's sad to hear about stuff like that, because we do it all as a hobby...it's what we do for FUN in our free time, so it's a shame to see anyone need to take it so seriously and becomevicious to others. I'm glad you find some good times here. :)

[Big Tim #70]

I have to say, I'm not terribly sorry to see it go.

One thing I have noticed on many photography/spotting sites is how vicious people can be to a different opinion. And the better the photographer, the more vicious. I remember when I was a teenager on the old ICAS forums, I posted an opinion, and many people took 'great offense to it and declared me an enemy'. One very popular photographer (a name I am sure everyone here knows) for years has gone off onto cussing/insulting rants anytime he sees me post on just about any site, it seems. Even into the ASB days, if you didn't have the 'US military is an absolute flawless force that can never ever do any wrong and every other country on the planet sucks' attitude in your posts, people would declare you enemies and attack you at levels that would be equal to or below gradeschool. The same people would suck up to performers to try and gain favor and access..

That's another thing, access gets you the blind eye. On the Houston Spotters forums, we had this one guy who would go on rants you wouldn't believe. He even at one point told me to kill myself, then deleted the post and tried to pretend I was making it up. They never did a thing about him in his attacks or rants because he could get people access. But me...I was banned for...get ready....mentioning a participant at a fly-in they claimed would not be there and I was giving out false information, but then it turned out that participant was in fact there. I since figured out and had it confirmed they simply did it to maintain favor to the person that wanted access from. Also, there was an incident when it was talking about security at airports, and I just casually mentioned amature spotters didn't have a business card to show as credientials. Oooh, that HAD to mean that I was bitter at the 'professionals' and they even tried to arrange face-to-face arguments.

Thank you NYC aviation for being the first mature aviation forum I could find.

So, yeah. As useful as ASB could be, it was also quite a cesspool.

/rant


I guess I must have had my head in the sand for the last 7 years. There were some Know it all's on ASB but the reason I liked it, (& NYCA) is because I really didn't see the kind of behavior you're describing. I did see this on several other sites, which is why I pretty much stuck to ASB & NYCA.

I don't know you from a hole in the wall, I didn't know you on ASB, but if you have a problem with people on every bored (except 1) that you post on, I would look a little closer to home. Not saying you're a bad guy, but in the magical internet forum world it can be hard to tell when one is joking or sarcastic. Perhaps you should be a little more aware of how you word things in your posts as meanings can easily get confused.

[Perriwen]

I guess I must have had my head in the sand for the last 7 years. There were some Know it all's on ASB but the reason I liked it, (& NYCA) is because I really didn't see the kind of behavior you're describing. I did see this on several other sites, which is why I pretty much stuck to ASB & NYCA.

I don't know you from a hole in the wall, I didn't know you on ASB, but if you have a problem with people on every bored (except 1) that you post on, I would look a little closer to home. Not saying you're a bad guy, but in the magical internet forum world it can be hard to tell when one is joking or sarcastic. Perhaps you should be a little more aware of how you word things in your posts as meanings can easily get confused.

I'll provide you an example.

One occasion on ASB, there was a story about a sonic boom and how a woman had her windows shattered. There were comments about how she should have been thanking the pilot for what he did instead of complaining about her windows. I simply pointed out that the pilot did break the rules by going supersonic over land, was a human error, and the woman had a right to be mad.

Then came a flood of posts calling me an idiot.

[Big Tim #70]

I'll provide you an example.

One occasion on ASB, there was a story about a sonic boom and how a woman had her windows shattered. There were comments about how she should have been thanking the pilot for what he did instead of complaining about her windows. I simply pointed out that the pilot did break the rules by going supersonic over land, was a human error, and the woman had a right to be mad.

Then came a flood of posts calling me an idiot.


Well, if you're an idiot for thinking that way, I guess I am too! LOL!

I just never really saw that kind of thing there but obviously, doesn't mean it never happened.

[Perriwen]

Well, if you're an idiot for thinking that way, I guess I am too! LOL!

I just never really saw that kind of thing there but obviously, doesn't mean it never happened.

Well, one thing I will give to ASB is the admins were generally quick to respond to reports. So, in most cases unless you were active in that thread at the time, you'd not see it because Deb or Ed would be quick to correct it.

[Derf]

I would like to donate a peace offering to this thread....

http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/Aviation/AAM-Pinup-Photoshoot-91811/i-2qvkxfJ/3/L/IMG3692-L.jpg

[jerslice]

It isn't necessarily limited to ASB :-) I've had similar experiences as you, Perriwen, on other well known airshow sites too - not just ASB.

[Derf]

I have a question.... When are we going to get an Airshow section on our website?

http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/Aviation/Oceana-NAS-2011/i-bVwdRvb/0/L/IMG1331-L.jpg

[jerslice]

Good question Derf...hopefully soon?...:eek:

[Derf]

Sorry, I should have posted this if asking for something
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/Aviation/AAM-Pinup-Photoshoot/IMG9467/622967881_g3XfX-L-1.jpg

[Perriwen]

I guess the 'events' section could kind of count...though, actual news in the air show industry is kind of scattered here and there.

Also, why does that P-47 have broom kills? (lowest emblem)

[Derf]

Only in this place will I post a pic like that and get a response like yours! I love this place!

[Derf]

My point is this....27 pages for one thread
NYCA 2011 Jones Beach Airshow Link (http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads/38500-Jones-Beach-Airshow-2011?highlight=jones)

I will be going to at least 4 this year and think with as many cameras we have.... it is really UNDISCOVERED!

[Perriwen]

My point is this....27 pages for one thread
NYCA 2011 Jones Beach Airshow Link (http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads/38500-Jones-Beach-Airshow-2011?highlight=jones)

I will be going to at least 4 this year and think with as many cameras we have.... it is really UNDISCOVERED!

27 pages? Wow. My Wings Over Houston thread got two or three replies. XD

I sure am lonely down south. :frown:

[Derf]

http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads/41344-Wings-Over-Houston-2011-edition?highlight=Wings+Houston

Wow, Nice set of photos!!! Ya needed a little tough love here tho.... Props, Ya froze the props....

When shooting props you should switch to Tv mode and set a speed of 250th or slower.... if the airplane is not at idle 250th will give you good blur like below.
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/Aviation/2010-Jones-Beach-Airshow/IMG1558/889220946_BQ2qs-L.jpg

Otherwise those shots you posted would have perfect. You did a great Job and we have all froze props but that needs to stop...here is a shot of mine from 2006 airshow....please do not make fun of me!
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/Aviation/Jones-Beach-Airshow-2006/IMG0469/71541970_Q4gZD-L-1.jpg

[Perriwen]

http://nycaviation.com/forum/threads/41344-Wings-Over-Houston-2011-edition?highlight=Wings+Houston

Wow, Nice set of photos!!! Ya needed a little tough love here tho.... Props, Ya froze the props....

When shooting props you should switch to Tv mode and set a speed of 250th or slower.... if the airplane is not at idle 250th will give you good blur like below.
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/Aviation/2010-Jones-Beach-Airshow/IMG1558/889220946_BQ2qs-L.jpg

Otherwise those shots you posted would have perfect. You did a great Job and we have all froze props but that needs to stop...here is a shot of mine from 2006 airshow....please do not make fun of me!
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/Aviation/Jones-Beach-Airshow-2006/IMG0469/71541970_Q4gZD-L-1.jpg

Yeah, I actually messed up with a lot of the settings there. I was playing around with them on a spotting trip a few days before and forgot to re-set them back to ones I liked, and as for the props...I totally forgot the shutter speed issue.

I'm not sure what you mean by TV-mode, though.

[Derf]

on the top dial there are Av Tv M

(Av - Apature)
(Tv - Speed)
(M - Manual)

[moose135]

I'm not sure what you mean by TV-mode, though.
Shutter Priority - that's the dial setting, at least for Canon. Av mode is Aperture priority.

[Perriwen]

on the top dial there are A TV M (A - Apature)
(TV - Speed)
(M - Manual)

I think you must be using a different camera than me.

I have:

Preset 1
Preset 2
Video
Custom 1
Custom 2
Manual
Aperture priority
Shutter priority
Programmed Auto
Auto
Film Simulation Bracketing

[Derf]

Thats it!, Shutter priority

shutter priority = Tv
aperture priority = Av
Manual = M

;)

[Perriwen]

The thing about the 250 shutter setting, at least for me, is it tends to blur the prop-and the plane.

How do you prevent that?

[jerslice]

How do you prevent that?
Good panning skills, solid AF system, and a lot of luck!

I know some guys who will shoot no more than 1/100th to try to come close to full prop disks...

[Perriwen]

Good panning skills, solid AF system, and a lot of luck!

I know some guys who will shoot no more than 1/100th to try to come close to full prop disks...

Forget blurring, how do they keep the image from being too bright to make anything out?

[moose135]

When you shoot in Shutter Priority, the camera will close down your aperture - there are limits to that, and you might get some overexposure, but usually I'm good on all but the brightest of days with ISO 100. Of course, with a small aperture, you see all the dust spots on your sensor...

This was from this afternoon, 1/50 sec, f/20, ISO 100:

http://www.moose135photography.com/American-Airpower-Museum/Planes-of-the-AAM/B-25-Mitchell/i-Sf9bnG2/0/XL/JM20120317AAMB-25003-XL.jpg

[Perriwen]

When you shoot in Shutter Priority, the camera will close down your aperture - there are limits to that, and you might get some overexposure, but usually I'm good on all but the brightest of days with ISO 100. Of course, with a small aperture, you see all the dust spots on your sensor...

This was from this afternoon, 1/50 sec, f/20, ISO 100:

http://www.moose135photography.com/American-Airpower-Museum/Planes-of-the-AAM/B-25-Mitchell/i-Sf9bnG2/0/XL/JM20120317AAMB-25003-XL.jpg

So, manual for prop blur, then?

[moose135]

No, I was shooting in Shutter Priority at 1/50 second. The camera set the aperture to properly expose the photo.

[Big Tim #70]

When you shoot in Shutter Priority, the camera will close down your aperture - there are limits to that, and you might get some overexposure, but usually I'm good on all but the brightest of days with ISO 100. Of course, with a small aperture, you see all the dust spots on your sensor...

This was from this afternoon, 1/50 sec, f/20, ISO 100:



What do you mean "Spots"? I don't see any spots...

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/2376/redbullspots.jpg

[flightfan]

Great stuff here. Wanted to contribute a few prop blur shots, but alas, I find myself technologically challenged.

Hosting pics in two different spots, Webshots and Flickr. Tried pasting the url link of each as defined by their sites and no luck. Used the upload pics option on the "reply to" thread but images are not showing. It lists the URL but when message saved and viewed, no pics.

Can someone help the boy?

[Perriwen]

Great stuff here. Wanted to contribute a few prop blur shots, but alas, I find myself technologically challenged.

Hosting pics in two different spots, Webshots and Flickr. Tried pasting the url link of each as defined by their sites and no luck. Used the upload pics option on the "reply to" thread but images are not showing. It lists the URL but when message saved and viewed, no pics.

Can someone help the boy?

What works for me is, at least for Flickr:

Go to the image.

Do the select size option and choose the one you want.

Right click the picture and choose 'copy image location'

Then in the reply, use the tags with the URL between them.

[Big Tim #70]

IMAGESHACK is easy too.

[flightfan]

Well let's give this a try.....http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7042/6993410953_4a14aa82da_b.jpg

Perriwen, you seem to be onto something here.....What I wanted to add to the prop blur discussion was that asb had done a whole thread on this issue a while back. It was fun going out taking shots for this particular effect. I learned that helicopters can be particularly difficult in that their prop speed is much slower, requiring a slower shutter speed to get the same effect. It was a lot of fun and that is what I like about these forums. Learning from one another and the inspiration that comes from one anothers work....Here are a few more

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7182/6847205688_6d88100223_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7191/6993367269_7e270a86a7_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7178/6847287674_fe0ef84310_b.jpg

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7052/6847286886_556fa0266c_b.jpg

[jerslice]

What I wanted to add to the prop blur discussion was that asb had done a whole thread on this issue a while back. It was fun going out taking shots for this particular effect. I learned that helicopters can be particularly difficult in that their prop speed is much slower, requiring a slower shutter speed to get the same effect.

Definitely...the same is true of double-blade props and even doubly so with double-blade props on slower engines (think Stearman & WACO's). Even in flight powering through a climb I had to stop down to 1/20th to get a full disk, which just wasn't worth the trade off in sharpness to me.

For example, this was at 1/100th:
http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6191/6126115346_48fac381b3_b.jpg

[moose135]

A couple I shot today:

http://www.moose135photography.com/American-Airpower-Museum/Dazzlin-Deb/i-Wgqk894/0/XL/JM20120318T-6N9523C003-XL.jpg

http://www.moose135photography.com/American-Airpower-Museum/Planes-of-the-AAM/B-25-Mitchell/i-PvfjSWb/0/XL/JM20120318B-25N2825B005-XL.jpg

Yes, I cheated - the aircraft were stationary. The T-6 was shot at 1/30 second, the B-25 was 1/25 second.

[seahawks7757]

One of mine-
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7010/6407304789_17a04e48bf_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/seahawks7757/6407304789/)
Go Cougs! It's Apple Cup Day! (http://www.flickr.com/photos/seahawks7757/6407304789/) by Brandon Farris Photography (http://www.flickr.com/people/seahawks7757/), on Flickr

[Big Tim #70]

Moose,

You shooting on a tripod?

I'm a shaky one. If I try to shoot W/a shutter speed that slow, I never get a clean shot.

[moose135]

No, hand held. Although I was leaning my shoulder against an L-39 when I shot the B-25.

[seahawks7757]

I have to admit mine was a tripod, I'll share a couple from last weekend that were hand held!