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Matt Molnar
2012-02-11, 12:53 PM
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New visitor.
PhilDernerJr
2012-02-11, 01:18 PM
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a 777 there. Love it.

Anyone know if the A380 can operate there? I assume not, but gosh darnit I don't have the type's runway performance charts handy.
Iberia A340-600
2012-02-11, 01:27 PM
This winter season, Alitalia has been contracted to run charters from Milan and Rome to various destinations in the Caribbean including SXM, La Romana, and Pointe a Pietre with the A330-200 and 777-200. Certainly nice to see the 777 at SXM! When Air Europe was still in business they once sent their 777 to SXM:

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Here's a pic of the A330: http://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/175790/ei-dip-alitalia-airbus-a330-200/

And a video of the 777:


http://youtu.be/KoRdYFPLVgs
Spunker
2012-02-11, 01:38 PM
Caution wake turbulance from arriving Triple 7 LOL. Man I can't wait to get there for my 1st visit.
gonzalu
2012-02-11, 01:46 PM
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a 777 there. Love it.

Anyone know if the A380 can operate there? I assume not, but gosh darnit I don't have the type's runway performance charts handy.

If they can land a 747 at SXM, an A380 can easily meet that... but then the runway has to stand the weight ... wingtip clearance may be dicey butthen again, that do most taxi ops on the runway anyway by the big guys. The ramp is one gigantic huge mat so that should be fine... hardstands would be fine... great weather anyway. Problem may be the little planes always parked near the entry and exit points for the ramp/runway!
gonzalu
2012-02-11, 01:48 PM
And a video of the 777:



Somebody needs a wind-cut filter or dead cat on their mic... ugh! Sweet video though.
gonzalu
2012-02-11, 01:49 PM
Caution wake turbulance from arriving Triple 7 LOL. Man I can't wait to get there for my 1st visit.

I think we should have our first NYCA World Convention at SXM this coming December! Wink Wink Hint Hint!!
NIKV69
2012-02-11, 02:01 PM
Wow, I don't think I've ever seen a 777 there. Love it.

Anyone know if the A380 can operate there? I assume not, but gosh darnit I don't have the type's runway performance charts handy.

7500 feet enough for takeoff if the air density is bad?
gonzalu
2012-02-11, 02:26 PM
Well, if they take off towards the ocean instead of the mountains, the fence is low enough they can just get off the ground and finish climbing slowly over the rest of the Atlantic :tongue:

Methinks it is plausible! Balanced Field Takeoff may be considerably less than the MTOW distance of 9000' ... 744 requires 10,000' or so to accomplish the same feat.
gonzalu
2012-02-11, 02:44 PM
From the A380 Airport Planning PDF

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/media_gallery/files/tech_data/AC/Airbus-AC-A380-20111101.pdf

http://pictures.mannyphoto.com/photos/i-sv62tGX/0/X3/i-sv62tGX-X3.jpg
NIKV69
2012-02-11, 02:59 PM
Manny those graphs are greek to me. IIRC a 747s have to watch their weight and can't fill totally with fuel so I was wondering. It's probably moot I can't see AF using it to fly there. Makes little sense in so many ways.
PhilDernerJr
2012-02-11, 03:05 PM
There are so many factors that come into play on whether a plane can takeoff on a runway. As said length and weight on pavement are two. There's also climb performance, runway obstructions, temperature, air density and more.
NIKV69
2012-02-11, 03:10 PM
There are so many factors that come into play on whether a plane can takeoff on a runway. As said length and weight on pavement are two. There's also climb performance, runway obstructions, temperature, air density and more.

Actually the air would probably be the biggest issue. I think I read the 380 weight on pavement is actually better than the 747. As for the obstructions isn't SXM doing as major 3 step improvement thing? Personally like I said the fact the type makes no sense to that destination that even AF won't consider it is what will prevent it from happening.
PhilDernerJr
2012-02-11, 03:19 PM
The barometer begins affecting runway performance anytime it is below standard 29.92. Taking off in the direction of that mountain would certainly be an issue. Weight limitations on the shorter runway would be an issue.
gonzalu
2012-02-11, 03:41 PM
Phil come see with us how the Lufthansa A380 takes off from 31L Kilo Echo to see just what it is capable of doing. Simply amazing performance. And I think if they can fill an A380 with pax, and send to SXM, it could reduce prices :tongue: I am just saying ...
Matt Molnar
2012-02-13, 01:34 AM
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Pretty good fake.

The final phase of SXM's multi-phase plan states that if certain traffic targets are met leading up to 2012, the airport may expand the terminal and build a separate taxiway to end the current practice of back-taxiing. The project would require filling in a substantial portion of Simpson Bay and relocating several buildings including the airport's weather and fire stations and the aircraft maintenance facility. There's no mention of the A380 specifically, but I guess these additions would help the situation.