11.1.2011 POLISH LOT 767 EMERGENCY LANDING

[chrisparypa]

Shortly before 3 pm (Warsaw Time) on Tuesday a Lot Polish Airlines Boeing 767 flying from Newark, New Jersey, made an emergency landing at Warsaw's Chopin Airport. The aircraft was unable to deploy its landing gear, and was forced to land with its wheels stowed.



I was watching live that landing on Polish TV... what a great pilot, perfect landing, all 230 Passengers are safe.

REG: SP-LPC
Plane is showing up at JFK once in a while, But the regular rout is EPWA-KEWR or EPWA-KORD
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/4255834468_d0d07ef91a_o.jpg

[steve1840]

I can't find this anywhere but here and your FB page Chris....is there any footage of this online?

[chrisparypa]

Yes sir :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6bkv6tGCFA&feature=player_embedded

[chrisparypa]

2 F-16 Fighters helped with landing and examine the plane before the final approach checking if landing gear is down or not. Like you can see... landing gear up.... Pilot did a great job, perfect landing, Unlivable skills.

Runway was specially setup for that landing. Fire department sprayed the runway with some special foam to prevent fire on touchdown, as you can see there is not a lot of sparks and no fire at all....

Steve you couldn't find this cu it was HOT I posted about 3 minutes after touch down. Probably now you can see it on the news etc

[steve1840]

I'll have to view that on my phone. Damn security on the network at the office won't let me view it.

[NYCA News]

NYCAviation:

VIDEO: LOT Polish Airlines 767 from Newark Makes Belly Landing in Warsaw (http://nycaviation.com/2011/11/video-lot-polish-airlines-767-from-newark-makes-belly-landing-in-warsaw/)

A LOT Polish Airlines Boeing 767 from Newark was forced to make a belly landing in Warsaw Tuesday morning due to problems extending its landing gear. No one was injured.
[Click to Read Full Article (http://nycaviation.com/2011/11/video-lot-polish-airlines-767-from-newark-makes-belly-landing-in-warsaw/)]

[Spunker]

Perfect landing by the crew they are to be congratulated. Excellent video.

[cancidas]

just heard the news, once again this is why we pay pilots! now that LO is down to 4 (?) 767s it's time to get the 787s delivered!!


here's another view:
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[mirrodie]

OK, the major question here is:

what to do re: Polish jokes.

Do we a) impose a short moratorium on such Polish jokes, given the happy ending we've seen based on great skill....


Or????



b) is it OPEN SEASON on Polish jokes???!!! LOL ;)

[AirtrafficController]

Finally some good news from the Polish aviation sector. Great example of professional airmanship.

[gonzalu]

Wow, I must say it looked smoother than some regular landings I have been in !!

[gonzalu]

I got a shot of her on final for 22L on July 10th this year

http://pictures.mannyphoto.com/photos/i-wNmjBXk/0/L/i-wNmjBXk-L.jpg

[rkfast]

OK, the major question here is:

what to do re: Polish jokes.

Do we a) impose a short moratorium on such Polish jokes, given the happy ending we've seen based on great skill....


Or????



b) is it OPEN SEASON on Polish jokes???!!! LOL ;)



I was gonna post "How many polish guys does it take to lower the landing gear" or some such nonsense, but decided against it, as Im new here and dont want my lousy sense of humor to offend anyone.

Glad to hear Im not the only one thinking this.

Look at it this way..the fact we can joke about it means the situation came to a happy end, right?

[Derf]

thank god it did not ditch in a cemetery.... they would be digging bodies of from the crash for year... I can see the headlines now, Ditching, 187 people survive.... 24823 died in crash!

I am part polish...yes, you always knew there was something about me the was off....

[hiss srq]

A perfect Polish 3 pointer.

[yankees368]

Can anyone explain why some sort of gravity drop was not used to lower the gear? Isn't that normal procedure? That same technique was used on that 767 in Canada which landed with no fuel (however, the front gear did not lock). I have seen this so far:
"LOT said the hydraulic system responsible for operating the wing flaps and the landing gear failed, and backup system worked only for the flaps -- forcing the emergency landing."
Would a malfunctioning hydraulic system prevent the gear from dropping at all?
Thanks!

[hiss srq]

Don't forget, most airplanes have gear locks that prevent them from just "dropping out". Alot of possibilities and the 763 is an airplane I am not super well versed on but if they had multiple hyd faults or some sort of a problem that bleads the system dry it may well prevent the gear from dumping.

[yankees368]

This is the incident I am referring to, it was a 767-200: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gimli_Glider

[PhilDernerJr]

Amazing airmanship. Instead of making Polish jokes, I think something like this could end the Polish jokes for all time!

[gonzalu]

... I think something like this could end the Polish jokes for all time!


Not likely Phil, I have many Polish friends, and it would be a crime not to be able to bust their chops! Let's start with Mark "Zee71" and Chris :tongue:

[gonzalu]

No mention has been made of the excellent SPOTTER coverage... some excellent images on A.net right now...

[moose135]

I was gonna post "How many polish guys does it take to lower the landing gear" or some such nonsense, but decided against it, as Im new here and dont want my lousy sense of humor to offend anyone.
A lousy sense of humor never offended anyone here...:tongue:

[NIKV69]

No mention has been made of the excellent SPOTTER coverage... some excellent images on A.net right now...

Absolutely! Great captures!

[Zee71]

I believe a ramp worker at Newark left his giant kielbasa sandwich some where on the main landing gear. As the gear was getting retracted the giant kielbasa fell out of the sandwich and caused the gear to jam. Bottom line ...... know where you left your kielbasa, because it may cause some serious heartburn.

Aside from that, it an awesome landing under such conditions.

[moose135]

From: http://www.smartcockpit.com/data/pdfs/plane/boeing/b767/systems/Boeing_767-300-Landing_Gear.pdf


Landing Gear Alternate Extension
The alternate landing gear extension system uses an electric motor to trip the locking mechanism for each gear. Selecting DN on the ALTN GEAR EXTEND switch releases all door and gear uplocks. The landing gear free-fall to the down and locked position.

All retractable gear aircraft should have a means of lowering the gear when the normal system fails. Just what happened here remains to be seen. It's possible there was a mechanical failure that prevented one of the gear to extend, and it was deemed safer to land gear up than on only one main. Time will tell.

[yankees368]

Indeed. My best guess is that the hydraulic system may not have released in some way, if it did malfunction. If they would not prevent it from supplying fluid to keep it up and locked, nothing they can do.

[chrisparypa]

There is word of wisdom in Poland : that polish pilot will fly and land even a barn door. This sentence is actually from England, someone said that after Air Battle for England where Polish Pilots helped RAF to fight with Luftwaffe doing some crazy stuff in the air :) Yes Im proud to be Polish :))))

Polish Jokes ?? usually not funny.... but oh well.. welcome to America..... :)))) I tell you that Polish people are not offended by Polish jokes....

Pilot of this 767 is a glider pilot and glider aerobatic pilot. Gliders are very popular in Poland btw You can see how smooth he is touching down and keeping (I don't know how) the wings straight. I talked to some people today they said this landing was exactly the same like a glider landing where u trying to keep wings level as long as possible to put the glider on the side when stop :)

See a lot of "cool" pictures but to be honest I hope to never see anything like that...


I follow Polish TV today... Im watching live whats going at the airport looks like airport will be closed for 2 days. I don't know why... but oh well.. they checking runway, making sure that is safe to use, second Runway could be used but plane stopped too close to the crossing. They trying to move plane....

Someone asked why they didn't try to open "manually". They did.... They broke the locks holding landing gear, they did all they could.... Pilot noticed problem with hydraulic system after the take off from Newark, not sure why they decided to fly to Europe.... still not much info around. Actually there is a lot but you know in situations like that everyone is an expert, and nothing is official yet..... Thx god 231 people are safe, Plane Crew did amazing job.

[Mateo]

Three cheers to the pilot, Czeszjlwy SzyŁŁwnbergwrj!

[Delta777LR]

Ive managed to find a few shots I took of LPC back in 08....

http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/IMG_1195.jpg
http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/IMG_0849.jpg

[steve1840]

From: http://www.smartcockpit.com/data/pdfs/plane/boeing/b767/systems/Boeing_767-300-Landing_Gear.pdf



All retractable gear aircraft should have a means of lowering the gear when the normal system fails. Just what happened here remains to be seen. It's possible there was a mechanical failure that prevented one of the gear to extend, and it was deemed safer to land gear up than on only one main. Time will tell.

I realize I'm not writing this about an airplane, but on the helicopter that I wrote a major portion of the landing gear maintenance manual for, there is an "emergency blowdown" system which consists of a nitrogen charged vessel on each langing gear assembly that when activated forces the landing gear retraction actuator into the down and locked position. I'm surprised more a/c don't have these.

[mirrodie]

"it would be a crime not to be able to bust their chops!"


Im torn! LOL On the one hand, they earned their respect, so no more jokes.


on the other hand,.....open season??? ;)


Great Great event for aviation IMHO.

[Speedbagel_001]

After the aircraft is removed and investigation completed, what becomes of it? Is that considered a total write-off or can it be deemed airworthy again after repairs?:confused:

[Zee71]

Here is an image that I captured a while back

http://mbsphotography.smugmug.com/Aviation/Odd-Stuff/LOT01JFK06Mar2011/1208030359_kcFPE-L.jpg

[PhilDernerJr]

After the aircraft is removed and investigation completed, what becomes of it? Is that considered a total write-off or can it be deemed airworthy again after repairs?:confused:

A Pakistani 747-200 once made a full belly landing as well and was able to fly again. Actually, the airframe is owned and supposedly will be operated by Baltia Air.

As for the LOT 763, it's tough to say as we can't see the damage that was done. The engines can be replaced, but I wonder how bad the fuselage on the back is.

[moose135]

"Hey, what's that beeping sound???" :rolleyes:

[cancidas]

As for the LOT 763, it's tough to say as we can't see the damage that was done. The engines can be replaced, but I wonder how bad the fuselage on the back is.

there's even been incidents of USAF C-17s being belly landed, both airplanes are still flying today. i wouldn't be surprised if LPC is back in the air in a couple months.

[Zee71]

Speed tape and it should be fine!!!! I recall when I use to work at JFK during my college days, and we were turning around a Pakistan Boeing 707 cargo aircraft. The Pakistan Boeing 707 had body filler and speed tape, and it flew some how (on the other hand it was Boeing).

[gonzalu]

Great video from behind...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_B_1Hgra-7Q

[steve1840]

That is one impressive video.

[chrisparypa]

Thay talking about fixing everything, looks like there is not much damage on plane. The biggest problem is a structural damage which you can't actually see. They will examin and check the fuselage pretty close and then will make final decision. For now LOT saying: Boeing 767 SP-LPC is fixable.....

[megatop412]

True to my form of finally catching up with what is now considered old news, I saw the videos. That was amazing. I am very happy everything turned out OK and that everyone can go on with their lives. Well done LOT!

[Mateo]

Delivered in 1997; fairly late along the 763 line, and there aren't a whole lot of spare -300s lying around, so it may yet make sense to fix this one up. Although if anything even looked at the rear bulkhead funny, Boeing's not going to touch it. It's also not like LOT had a ton of spare long-haul capacity to call on, so they may be antsy to get this back in the air. The insurance company, of course, makes the final decision.

Re: blow-down bottles. I know you can blow the gear on things like piston twins and I guess helicopters [hmm- Connecticut, wheels, the -76?], but those both have relatively light undercarriages. Can you use blowdown bottles on landing gear as big as a 767 would have?

[steve1840]

Re: blow-down bottles. I know you can blow the gear on things like piston twins and I guess helicopters [hmm- Connecticut, wheels, the -76?], but those both have relatively light undercarriages. Can you use blowdown bottles on landing gear as big as a 767 would have?

-76, well as of yesterday, yes I'm working on that manual....but I was referering to the S-92 and its mil derivative the CH-148, which hasa far heavier undercarriage than the -76. I am not sure if a blow-down bottle can be used on a gear the size of a 767's or not. The depth of my knowledge of landing gears pretty much ends with the S-92/CH-148 airframe as I have never really dove into any others at this time.