Plane overshoots runway at Teterboro, lands in arrester bed

[Matt Molnar]

A plane has overshot a runway while landing at TEB and gotten stuck in the arrester bed. No further details yet.

[Zee71]

Yeah....I just heard of this as well on ABC news.

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=7700932

[heeshung]

Plane registration is N923CL. Shot a couple pictures as I drove past and intended to park and get up close. They were snappy in removing the plane. By the time I parked and walked over (around 4PM) it was already being towed away.

http://horriblephotography.com/albums/TEB%20G4%20Overshoot%2010-1-10/IMG_8030ps.jpg

http://horriblephotography.com/albums/TEB%20G4%20Overshoot%2010-1-10/IMG_8029ps.jpg

http://horriblephotography.com/albums/TEB%20G4%20Overshoot%2010-1-10/IMG_8044ps.jpg

http://horriblephotography.com/albums/TEB%20G4%20Overshoot%2010-1-10/IMG_8037ps.jpg

Click for full version of panorama. (http://horriblephotography.com/albums/TEB%20G4%20Overshoot%2010-1-10/Untitled_Panorama1ps.jpg)
http://horriblephotography.com/albums/TEB%20G4%20Overshoot%2010-1-10/Untitled_Panorama1ps12.jpg (http://horriblephotography.com/albums/TEB%20G4%20Overshoot%2010-1-10/Untitled_Panorama1ps.jpg)

[PhilDernerJr]

Surprised the EMAS didn't eat up the nosegear! Glad all are ok.

[Futterman]

Great shots, Mark!

It's gotta be a real interesting sensation to run into an EMAS. I wonder how it feels.

[darlyn]

So what happens now? How long until the EMAS is replaced and the runway reopened?

[Flying Tigers]

Saw it happen live. G-IV landing on Runway 6 went a little too far and into the EMAS. The EMAS did it's job well and everyone exited the aircraft unharmed. AFAIK Runway 6 is still closed.

[cancidas]

Surprised the EMAS didn't eat up the nosegear! Glad all are ok.

that's kinda the point. no damage to airplanes or property and usually no injuries.

[USAF Pilot 07]

It's gotta be a real interesting sensation to run into an EMAS. I wonder how it feels.

I hope I never find out!!

[PhilDernerJr]

that's kinda the point. no damage to airplanes or property and usually no injuries.

The goal is to slow the aircraft so it doesn't go BEYOND the EMAS and hit something like a building or a car. Most every EMAS video and post-crash photos I've seen almost always make the nosegear collapse. Maybe it was just slow and on a lighter plane in this situation?

See some footage at 4:00...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jH8g-qJK3w

[darlyn]

I hope I never find out!!

Judging from footage taken of passengers in that video's EMAS test, I'd say it's just a jolt, some minor trembling, and rapid deceleration.

[lijk604]

Plane registration is N923CL. Shot a couple pictures as I drove past and intended to park and get up close. They were snappy in removing the plane. By the time I parked and walked over (around 4PM) it was already being towed away.

Was listening to LiveATC, and the callsign was Gotham 92. That would make this aircraft part of Meridian Air Charter based in Teterboro.

[Futterman]

Most every EMAS video and post-crash photos I've seen almost always make the nosegear collapse. Maybe it was just slow and on a lighter plane in this situation?

Actually, the nose gear is supposed to be protected so the aircraft can be "removed from the arresting system easily, with minimal effects" (http://www.esco.zodiacaerospace.com/commercial-systems/what-is-emas.php). It just looks like it collapses because the aircraft sinks through to the bottom.

I'd imagine it feels something like riding a bike through loose sand, except the pilots aren't even trying to power through.

Any word on the current status of the EMAS at TEB? I'm curious to know how long it takes them to repair it. (Photos would be SUPER cool, Mark!)

http://www.esco.zodiacaerospace.com/commercial-systems/images/main2.jpg
http://aviationsafetynetwork.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/n246ps.jpg

Brian

[DHG750R]

NTSB factual report
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20101004X11133&key=1


The PIC further stated that in the landing flare, the copilot announced the speed was ref plus 10 knots and the PIC reduced the throttles to idle power. At ref speed, just prior to touchdown, a gust of wind caused the airplane to "float up" approximately 15 feet above the ground, before descending back down to the runway. The PIC further stated that at no point did either pilot believe there was not adequate runway remaining to continue the landing. The airplane touched down at 120 knots and the copilot stated a red crew advisory system (CAS) message generated for ground spoiler deployment. Thrust reversers then deployed and braking began immediately, with activation of the anti-skid system. At that point the airplane was decelerating through 80 knots and the pilots still felt the airplane would stop on the remaining runway; however, the airplane departed the end of the runway at 40 to 50 knots. The airplane traveled about 100 feet into an engineered materials arresting system (EMAS), located immediately beyond the runway, and came to rest

[heeshung]

...the airplane departed the end of the runway at 40 to 50 knots.

I'm very surprised to hear the speed was that high, especially when the Gulfstream barely used up half of the EMAS distance. I'd say without the EMAS the plane would've definitely gone through the fence and into Rt. 46.

[USAF Pilot 07]

Interesting report... On a 6,000 foot runway, runway remaining is at a premium.. Landing more than 1/2 down the runway, in a jet aircraft at 120+ knots with only approximately 2,000 feet remaining isn't a good decision, as demonstrated here. I'm not sure what the minimum runway requirement is of a G-IV, or what the calculated landing distance was in this case, but when dealing with a shorter runway, (no matter how experienced the crew was) and especially with a final approach speed additive for gusty winds, I'm surprised the crew wasn't more "go-around" oriented, especially after a float down the runway.

It's easy to get wrapped up on the landing as the pilot flying and let distance remaining or certain other things fall out of your crosscheck, but that's where the pilot not flying should come in and call a go-around.. It's something I always brief, especially on shorter runways - like "Hey we have 7,000 feet of runway to work with here, if we're not wheels on the ground by X,XXX feet (depending on what our calculated landing distance is), call a go-around and we'll go around and try it again"..

Good to see the EMAS worked as advertised though and no one was hurt!