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NIKV69
09-07-2010, 04:00 PM
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/aviation_photography/read.main/358445/

I am all for keeping people vigliant around airfields but this ad could have been done a little better. I hope Emshighway can contact upper brass or the people involved in producing this and voice our displeasure.

NLovis
09-07-2010, 06:45 PM
That ad is horrible. They make us look like were shady and bad. Were the opposite. I'm all for awareness and what not but were only here to enjoy ourselves not like how they show us.

Zee71
09-07-2010, 07:07 PM
I think the TSA needs to hear from all aviation photo's enthusiasts. In my view we are being protrayed as terrorists, when in actually the TSA would benefit from all aviation enthusiasts. By the way.........in the video where the flight instructor talks about the student asking strange questions, my thought is..........wouldn't you do a background check before you even let this guy fly with you to make sure. Looks like another TSA blunder to me. Sorry for the ranting and raving.

USAF Pilot 07
09-07-2010, 07:54 PM
I'm pretty sure the Air Force came out with a similar poster about a year ago (which I posted on here). It is what it is I guess...

Vidiot
09-08-2010, 05:03 PM
Picked up by Photography Is Not A Crime:
http://carlosmiller.com/2010/09/07/tsa-publishes-new-posters-depicting-photographers-as-terrorists/

and Gizmodo:
http://gizmodo.com/5632823/tsa-poster-reminds-that-photography-is-for-creepy-terrorists-only


What a completely awful poster. Planespotters are better positioned than anyone else to notice if something hinky's happening around an airport perimeter, and will absolutely drop a dime if there's something suspicious. File this under "reasons why police should cultivate good relationships with planespotters/railfans/tour guides/etc."

emshighway
09-08-2010, 09:11 PM
http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/aviation_photography/read.main/358445/

I am all for keeping people vigliant around airfields but this ad could have been done a little better. I hope Emshighway can contact upper brass or the people involved in producing this and voice our displeasure.

There are actually three posters, this one is the only one like this. The video actually has an airport worker driving out of a gate and says "I wait to make sure the gate closes". This is the one with the photographer so it didn't seem too bad, a person making sure the gates closed and nothing about the photography or suspicious person. Then I saw the poster and cringed.

It has been mentioned up the line there would be some problems with this poster. I suggest group unite to voice their displeasure.

Vidiot
09-08-2010, 09:20 PM
I know some are calling the number on the poster to complain, which strikes me as a bad idea indeed -- if someone is reporting actual legitimate suspicions, we shouldn't get in their way.

I'm kind of surprised AOPA hasn't weighed in on this (that I can find after some cursory googling, at least.)

Conor Clancy
09-09-2010, 03:51 PM
Just when you thought it was safe to go back in the water...

PhilDernerJr
09-09-2010, 05:05 PM
Are formal letter from NYCA has been written, which will be made public very soon.

emshighway
09-09-2010, 06:46 PM
I think the TSA needs to hear from all aviation photo's enthusiasts. In my view we are being protrayed as terrorists, when in actually the TSA would benefit from all aviation enthusiasts. By the way.........in the video where the flight instructor talks about the student asking strange questions, my thought is..........wouldn't you do a background check before you even let this guy fly with you to make sure. Looks like another TSA blunder to me. Sorry for the ranting and raving.

Doesn't the one with the flight crew look odd too? It looks like the male is saying to himself "I'm going to get her after they leave" :confused:

emshighway
09-09-2010, 06:47 PM
Are formal letter from NYCA has been written, which will be made public very soon.

I don't know Phil, are they? :wink:

mirrodie
09-09-2010, 07:16 PM
EMS is there an address (e or snail) where we could give our displeasure?

NIKV69
09-10-2010, 01:08 AM
which strikes me as a bad idea indeed

Very, this # is probably not going to be manned with people responsible for this ad or any other media relations.

emshighway
09-12-2010, 01:09 PM
From TSA Blog:
http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/09/tsa-general-aviation-poster-encourages.html

TSA GA Complaint Form:
https://contact.tsa.dhs.gov/DynaForm.aspx?FormID=170

TSA Contact Center:
TSA- [email protected] ([email protected]) or call 1-866-289-9673

emshighway
09-15-2010, 07:08 PM
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/federal-eye/2010/09/all_out_of_focus_over_tsa_post.html

mirrodie
09-15-2010, 07:25 PM
WEll done.

Derf
09-15-2010, 07:43 PM
id it me or would this be awesome on an NYCA SHRIT!!!!!

I would want one!!!

NIKV69
09-16-2010, 04:57 PM
Well done EMSHighway and all involved.

Tom_Turner
09-21-2010, 06:52 PM
Not wishing to bash the rank & file TSA, but just trying, for a moment, to imagine the mentality of the person or persons who okay'd this particular poster. I wonder what their qualifications are. Not sure anyone needed an "Awareness Campaign" to begin with.... but it will provide reinforcement to those given over to suspicious minds.

emshighway
09-21-2010, 08:33 PM
There have been awareness programs before and there will be more. It is called justifying ones existence.

Planesntrains
10-16-2010, 01:25 PM
Then there is this which also appeared on the web from APOA (http://www.aopa.org/airpor****ch/lookout.html). Most of the bullet points are appropriate and make sense. But then there's a few that are just plain generalized to stupidity? Such as: "People or groups determined to keep to themselves". Well what if someone is spotting after a bad day in the office or the like? Just wanting to relax and be left alone? But I guess that's possibly analytical.

Also I get a kick out of how in the TSA GA Secure video, they say "The dangers are clear if we all just stop, look, and listen". Why amusing? Cause this has also been the official slogan for Operation Lifesaver (http://www.oli.org/), the foremost railroad anti-trespassing and grade crossing safety organization for more than 30 years. Gotta love how they promote paranoia with a slogan that's usually meant to save lives.