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PhilDernerJr
03-12-2010, 04:24 PM
UPDATE: "DUE TO RECENT EVENTS IN NEW YORK CITY AND NEW HOMELAND SECURITY DIRECTIVES IT IS WITH DEEP REGRET THAT WE ARE CANCELING THE AIRPORT PHOTO TOURS. THE CONTINENTAL TOURS ARE STILL AS PLANNED AND SCHEDULED .-AI2010"

I'll post a bigger piece with more detailed info soon....but I wanted you all to get on the tours ASAP before tickets run out.

This is BIG and fun stuff here. Ramp tours at all three local airports during the Airliners International 2010 show August 12-14th!

http://ai2010nyc.com/tours.php

!!!!

wunaladreamin
03-12-2010, 05:33 PM
Nice!!! I'm in for JFK!

PhilDernerJr
03-12-2010, 05:52 PM
Great. I really want to emphasize that these tours WILL sellout FAST. I'd hate for anyone to miss out.

NLovis
03-12-2010, 11:05 PM
Woo i'm in. Although I can get JFK anytime :mrgreen: Be nice to see EWR and return to where it all started for me. LGA.

Zee71
03-13-2010, 08:32 AM
Just purchased my ticket for the JFK tour.
Thanks for the info.

NLovis
03-13-2010, 09:51 AM
Rats I need to hurry with some $$

Cary
03-13-2010, 04:28 PM
Stupid question, but it says:


Convention Tours are limited to fully registered convention delegates in addition to tour size. Times of tours are based on start from and return to Robert Treat Hotel Lobby. (A Security Clearance may apply.)
Does this mean we need to register and pay for each day of the convention too? Or are we okay with just the tour tickets?

wunaladreamin
03-13-2010, 04:49 PM
I had the same question myself and emailed them last night. The answer was in order to be eligible for the tours, purchasing the "full registration" was a prerequisite.

LGA777
03-13-2010, 04:53 PM
Not a stupid question at all Cary. The tours are only for registered convention attendees so yes anyone wanting to do even one tour needs to also register for the convention, I believe that part is $50. However that will among other things give you access to the "HUGE" trading floor of the memoriblia show.

Also keep in mind that these tours all leave from the Robert Treat Hotel in Newark, based on every ramp tour I have ever taken at these conventions you will board a bus at the hotel, and once arriving at say JFK the same bus will be doing the ramp tour with Port vehicle escorts and likely a Port person on the bus. So lets say you live accross the street from JFK and you want to do only that tour you would still have to get to the hotel in Newark to get on the field at JFK.

I hope this helps?

LGA777

Cary
03-13-2010, 05:13 PM
Ahh, thanks for the help guys. I've signed up for EWR and JFK (pending my "full registration"), so hope to see some of you there!

PhilDernerJr
03-13-2010, 06:16 PM
I would also like to mention that registration will get you a very cool goodie bag, full of all sorts of fun stuff. I'm familiar with the contents but am not allowed to say!

The registration and everything seems like a lot, I know. Whenever I myself organize events, I like to do what I can to keep costs low so it doesn't prevent some people from enjoying it. HOWEVER, I want you all to know that the Airliners International Shows are like the World Series of the hobby...and the NY show will be one of the best yet I think! SOOO many people, photo contests, model contests, the many tours and more. I really do recommend you come out.

Having this locally is a once-in-a-lifetime event, and I hope everyone can take advantage.

I'll be making another, more detailed posts about it all this week.

JetBlueAirwaysFan
03-13-2010, 08:47 PM
I'm moving back to NY in July. Is the convention in NYC?

wunaladreamin
03-14-2010, 09:25 AM
I'm moving back to NY in July. Is the convention in NYC?
It's at the Robert Treat Hotel close to EWR.

Delta777LR
03-14-2010, 10:50 AM
im in for all 3 airports, I gotta hurry with cash!!

Metal484
03-14-2010, 01:49 PM
I wonder why there is no option to buy more then 1 ticket. I am def. purchasing one for myself but my friend wants to go too. I wonder if this will form a conflict when I purchase to tickets since it's from my paypal account which means my name will appear twice.

Metal484
03-14-2010, 02:03 PM
OK so I purchased my JFK Tour Ticket, and then the $50 Full registration. I hope that get's me to JFK!

NLovis
03-15-2010, 01:43 AM
It should. I still dont have the $$ :(

Metal484
03-15-2010, 03:52 PM
I figured it out after some digging. Me and my friend Tom purchased tickets for the JFK Tour. Can't wait!

JBoulin94
03-15-2010, 04:37 PM
Wait - I'm still confused. Do we have to get a full registration pass or 3 show session? All I want to do is go on the JFK Tour.

wunaladreamin
03-15-2010, 05:31 PM
Full registration.

JBoulin94
03-15-2010, 07:01 PM
Ok, thanks Kenny.

NLovis
03-17-2010, 12:34 AM
Hope I can get a ticket

Metal484
03-18-2010, 10:11 AM
stop hoping and just buy the ticket. It's only a $100. for the full registration and whatever airport you want to visit.

NLovis
03-18-2010, 08:45 PM
I would but i need to buy parts for my car. Frekin storm sent something haywire and a caliper went on me.

Fly2e
04-15-2010, 06:09 PM
Hi Guys,
I just purchased the $50 JFK Tour via PayPal. I have my confirmation of payment from PayPal but what happens next?
Are the Tix mailed, Do I receive a confirmation from the people hosting the tour, something that says I have clearance! :lol:
Sorry, a bit confused :?

PhilDernerJr
04-15-2010, 06:47 PM
I believe that when you go sign in they'll either give you a ticket or just let you on the bus!

Speedbird1
04-16-2010, 06:18 AM
I am confused about these tours. Are photos allowed? Isn't it a breach of security to allow ticketed people to walk around the ramp areas of these airports? Do visitors need security clearance? Do visitors have a choice of times? In the early morning, there are hardly any aircraft to photograph and in late afternoon, the ramp areas will be very congested so I doubt if there's any room for tours. Who is giving these tours? I recall complimentary tours given by the PA back in the late 70's.

Fly2e
04-16-2010, 10:44 AM
Hello,
I have registered for the JFK tour. It is $50 for the Registration which gets you into the Hotel for the convention then another $50 for the JFK tour. The bus leaves the Hotel @ 8am and brings the group to JFK escorted by The NY Port Authority. You need to pay with PayPal as I spoke with a rep and it is the way all your info gets logged. You will need Photo ID the day of the tour. He said photos are allowed. The Invoice and Approval is sent to your home and you will need to bring it the day of for proof so they can match it on the manifest. Is anybody else here going?

Dave

PhilDernerJr
04-16-2010, 02:20 PM
I am confused about these tours. Are photos allowed? Isn't it a breach of security to allow ticketed people to walk around the ramp areas of these airports? Do visitors need security clearance? Do visitors have a choice of times? In the early morning, there are hardly any aircraft to photograph and in late afternoon, the ramp areas will be very congested so I doubt if there's any room for tours. Who is giving these tours? I recall complimentary tours given by the PA back in the late 70's.

The tour is specifically for photo taking, so yes, you are allowed ot tkae photos. This is done with a specific guarded, guided tour on the ramp. They bring to a certain location, you get off the bus and stand in one spot and take all the photos you want.

If you click ont he link, you'll see the times for each airport's tour.

Speedbird1
04-17-2010, 05:37 AM
I'll pass on the tour. I don't have a car so it's a hassle getting to EWR for the hotel part. I'm content with the annual Kids Day at LGA which sounds basically the same. I don't like having someone stand near me telling me what photos I can and cannot take. I know you guys will post great photos after for me to see. Since the tours are in the AM, the aircraft I would want to see won't be there until late afternoon. Due to congestion, it would be impossible to have tours at that time. Have fun! I took a similar tour back in the 80's. It was held by the MTA. A bus took us by the Air France Concorde at the now demolished old IAB. We were also allowed to take photos/videos but could not wander away. We also visited the US Customs to hear a lecture on security and equipment. It was nice. I think it cost about $10.

PhilDernerJr
04-17-2010, 01:39 PM
No one would be telling you what photso you can't take. If you're on the tour, you take any photos you want.

JoeLKessler
04-18-2010, 06:45 PM
I'll post a bigger piece with more detailed info soon....but I wanted you all to get on the tours ASAP before tickets run out.

This is BIG and fun stuff here. Ramp tours at all three local airports during the Airliners International 2010 show August 12-14th!

We plan to visit New York that week -- so perfect. The PA LGA Photo Tour at Marine Air Termina sounds perfect for us - thanks for the heads-up.

Speedbird1
04-22-2010, 06:18 AM
Any idea of which ramps will be visited during the tour at JFK? I would be surprised if guests would be allowed to photograph ramp operations around international terminals due to hightened security these days. My guess is that the tour would stop by the ramps at Jet Blue, Delta,AAL, and UAL.

PhilDernerJr
04-22-2010, 07:48 AM
There will not be stops near airline's or terminal's ramps. There will be only ONE stop, alongside the active runway, for eitehr landing or departure photo opportunities.

Vivek777Kaul
04-29-2010, 09:06 PM
I am interested in the spotting tours at the 3 airports..What ticket selection do i make.

Thank you
Vivek

PhilDernerJr
05-05-2010, 06:41 PM
All,

I am very disappointed and upset to report that following:

"DUE TO RECENT EVENTS IN NEW YORK CITY AND NEW HOMELAND SECURITY DIRECTIVES IT IS WITH DEEP REGRET THAT WE ARE CANCELING THE AIRPORT PHOTO TOURS. THE CONTINENTAL TOURS ARE STILL AS PLANNED AND SCHEDULED .-AI2010"

Refunds will be given out to all who purchased tickets. :(

Fighting_falcon_51
05-05-2010, 06:59 PM
I was considering to go. This blows.

eric8669
05-05-2010, 07:11 PM
I guess we will just have to give free tours of our favorite spotting locations.

NLovis
05-05-2010, 07:24 PM
All,

I am very disappointed and upset to report that following:

"DUE TO RECENT EVENTS IN NEW YORK CITY AND NEW HOMELAND SECURITY DIRECTIVES IT IS WITH DEEP REGRET THAT WE ARE CANCELING THE AIRPORT PHOTO TOURS. THE CONTINENTAL TOURS ARE STILL AS PLANNED AND SCHEDULED .-AI2010"

Refunds will be given out to all who purchased tickets. :(
This was bound to happen you know. They probably had to pull some strings to even get the PA and TSA to allow it to begin with.

Tom_Turner
05-05-2010, 09:11 PM
Anyway, Phil, (or somebody), is it known what the status is of the DC-7 coming to New York?

Thanks,
Tom

PhilDernerJr
05-05-2010, 09:40 PM
The DC-7 is not definite, but still in the works. I'll keep you posted!

As crappy as it is to not have the ramp tours, keep in mind there is still the collectible show and sale, the BBQ, the banquet, the slide auction, the photo contest, the model contest, photo galleries and more. It will still be a great event that will bring people from all over the world.

Mateo
05-06-2010, 07:00 AM
Three cheers for the Port Authority!!

Fly2e
05-06-2010, 07:25 AM
But it is OK to have your kids in the tower.... :borat:
I just re-booked with Jeff from AI the Continental Hanger Tour. I was really looking forward to the JFK tour but this will have to suffice. At least I can get up & personal with some aircraft...

FlyingColors
05-06-2010, 08:12 AM
Anyway, Phil, (or somebody), is it known what the status is of the DC-7 coming to New York?

Thanks,
Tom

Cancelled do to possible connection with Pakistan extremist connection.

Sure- Anything is possible!

Might as well keep going with this line of logic--- It's been working well for a while now.

Know what gets me most of all with the tours..... it was not for me, but for my 2 sons, and my wife was coming too. Thats a major expense- in order to do the tours you have to do the BBQ/show package too- not cheap for a party of 4 ( Jeff really knows how to stick it)
The sun is going to be very high and I'm sure the humidity extreme so I was not even thinking of decent pics for myself. All I wanted was to see my kids face with a smile on them so they can experience being close to the planes and take their pics- without the Gestapo PAPD harassing a 8 and 10 year old- that's it. It would have been worth the money. They are gravely disappointed.

I have no apology in saying: go ahead and "blow up ..................." Why not- were paying for it anyhow! Freedom is dying.

LGA777
05-06-2010, 06:53 PM
While this is EXTREMELY dissapointing I am actually more surprised the Port was actually going to allow these in the first place than they where cancelled.

As far as the DC-7 they where hoping to bring it to MCO last July for AI 2009. It still has not flown due to FAA and paperwork issues, though it has had numerous engine run ups and some taxi tests at Opa Locka.

I agree 100 pct with Phil, their still will much to enjoy and I hope to see many of you in August at AI2010, going to be a GREAT show and time !

Cheers

LGA777

Delta777LR
05-06-2010, 08:07 PM
Wow this is disapointing..

Vivek777Kaul
05-06-2010, 11:39 PM
I was originally planning to go to see family in SYD, then this came up and whoosh priorities changed...SYD and the family next year...now the Paki kid mess up.... :evil: :evil: :evil: .... back to SYD family trip...oh well NYC spotting ..may be next year.. :(

Matt Molnar
05-07-2010, 01:13 AM
I was originally planning to go to see family in SYD, then this came up and whoosh priorities changed...SYD and the family next year...now the Paki kid mess up.... :evil: :evil: :evil: .... back to SYD family trip...oh well NYC spotting ..may be next year.. :(
You can still go spotting in New York and enjoy the convention without access to the ramp. :-)

FlyingColors
05-07-2010, 08:31 AM
For those that have attended other AI shows this is devastating news. You can count on more then a few cancellations.
The greater NY area is much more expensive and thus why there has not been a NY/NJ show is the past 20+ years.
The photo op at AI shows has always had its draw for many, and the opportunity to get close to the active harass free helps justify the attendance.
Now what is a major insult to injury is there has been no announcement for AT LEAST an approved spotting area, like Newarks long term parking lot. Nothing.

PhilDernerJr
05-07-2010, 11:11 AM
A level of high frustration is so very justified. It's such a unique opportunity for the NYC area, and to not have coinciding tours is downright painful.

Port-approved spotting locations for this are HIGHLY unlikely, I'm sad to say, from my opinion.

I hold on to some excitement in the opportunity to meet the out-of-towners that will still come to our regular spotting locations.

I'll keep you all posted if anything changes.

Cary
05-07-2010, 04:04 PM
Very disappointing :( Maybe NYC should ban tour buses due to recent events...

FlyingColors
05-08-2010, 09:32 PM
Very disappointing :( Maybe NYC should ban tour buses due to recent events...

?
Maybe everyone should stay home and hide under their bed.

Life continues!

Metal484
05-09-2010, 12:55 PM
Well this just sucks! As a new plane spotter (started August 2009) I was really really looking foward to this amazing opportunity and to meet all of you. Working in Manhattan 5 days a week I see MANY things that the city shouldn't be doing or should be doing to increase security, a photo op should be the least of PA's worries, there are so many other "dangerous weak spots" that they should worry about. Terrible decision.

Vivek777Kaul
05-13-2010, 12:09 AM
I was originally planning to go to see family in SYD, then this came up and whoosh priorities changed...SYD and the family next year...now the Paki kid mess up.... :evil: :evil: :evil: .... back to SYD family trip...oh well NYC spotting ..may be next year.. :(
You can still go spotting in New York and enjoy the convention without access to the ramp. :-)
I will be back in NYC when I have good long lens to shoot with....You just don't show up in NYC with a crappy lens .. :lol: :mrgreen: