So Long Pontiac :(

[T-Bird76]

The last Pontiac has rolled off the line in Michigan, while I'm not as into cars as I use to be Pontiac was one of my favorite brand of cars. My 1999 Pontiac Grand Prix GTP was my "20s" car and I loved that car, still do. It was fast, sleek, well appointed, and reliable. When I sold it she had 157,000 miles on it and still looked and ran like it was new. I sort of regret selling it and not keeping it as a "fun" car. In any event another great household name goes by the way side.

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This was my baby, god this car was fun to drive.

http://www.pfyc.com/cotm/gp/wk21_talf.jpg

[NIKV69]

I owned a 70' Firebird. Fun to drive though not as well made as the Mopar stuff or Mustang I owned. It is sad to see because Pontiac did look better than most of GM lines

[mirrodie]

Nick.....you had a Mopar and a Mustang?


And now have a Maxima?


Where did your balls go? (were you married once? )


At least I have an excuse ! ;)

[T-Bird76]

Nick.....you had a Mopar and a Mustang?


And now have a Maxima?


Where did your balls go? (were you married once? )


At least I have an excuse ! ;)

The Max out performs the Mustang and pretty much all the Dodge high performace products on the market right now.

[NIKV69]

Nick.....you had a Mopar and a Mustang?


And now have a Maxima?


Where did your balls go? (were you married once? )


At least I have an excuse !



They were muscle cars so you beat on them and spent all day fixing them. For a daily driver especially me who on the spur of the moment likes to drive long distances the Japanese can't be beat. Much more dependable.

[mirrodie]

They were muscle cars so you beat on them and spent all day fixing them. For a daily driver especially me who on the spur of the moment likes to drive long distances the Japanese can't be beat. Much more dependable.

Quite true. But Tom, a stock Maxima outperforming what I assume is a MOPAR enhanced Mustang? I think not.

[mmedford]

MOPAR enhanced Mustang? I think not.

HOW DARE YOU USE THOSE TWO WORDS TOGETHER....

[T-Bird76]

They were muscle cars so you beat on them and spent all day fixing them. For a daily driver especially me who on the spur of the moment likes to drive long distances the Japanese can't be beat. Much more dependable.

Quite true. But Tom, a stock Maxima outperforming what I assume is a MOPAR enhanced Mustang? I think not.

MOPAR is Dodge....Mustang is Ford Mario. A Maxima off the showroom can easily out perform a V8 Mustang off the showroom as well as a moded Max can out perform an equally equiped moded Mustang.

[mirrodie]

I know the difference and infused that to see who'd pick up on it. (Its as volatile a fight as A vs B ;) ) but they are all the same, just mods off the stock car.

My point is that I doubt Nick's stock Maxima would outperform a tricked up Pony. Im talking stock vs mods here. And I speak from experience as the 2006 3.5 Altima V6 that I drove was the same as the 2005 Maxima but a touch lighter and zippier.

Off the line, heck my old 3.5 Altima (same as the Maxima) would take a stock 4 cyl Pony off the line. But I've never go to the line vs. a tricked out Pony.


Ahhh..... so I turned back the 2006 3.5 Altima lease on Monday. It was a very nice car and I thought long about letting it go. But now that we have the new car, I decided to keep our

2000 Nissan Altima, which has less than 86K on it. I hadnt driven it in a while and now having driven it all week, and had it inspected on Tuesday, I have to say I love the ride maybe even more so than the 2006 Altima. The 4 cyl is just a smoother running engine and you'd think the transmission was CVT (its not).

[moose135]

A Maxima off the showroom can easily out perform a V8 Mustang off the showroom as well as a moded Max can out perform an equally equiped moded Mustang.
On what planet???

Comparing the Mustang GT and the Maxima 3.5SV, from the specs from the Road & Track road test data (http://www.roadandtrack.com/road-tests):

Engine: Mustang - V-8, Maxima - V-6
Price as tested: Mustang - $34,130, Maxima - $34,940

0-60mph: Mustang - 5.3sec, Maxima - 6.1 sec
0-100mph: Mustang - 12.7sec, Maxima - 15.4 sec
1/4 mile: Mustang - 13.8.3sec@104mph, Maxima - [email protected]
Top Speed: Mustang - 145mph, Maxima - 149mph
Braking from 60mph: Mustang - 115ft, Maxima - 121ft
Braking from 80mph: Mustang - 202ft, Maxima - 219ft
Skidpad: Mustang - 0.93g, Maxima - 0.86g
Slalom Avg Speed: Mustang - 69.1mph, Maxima - 65.4mph

Other than a few mph of top speed, it looks like the Mustang outperforms the Maxima in all their tests. Can you let me in on the tests that show a "Maxima off the showroom can easily out perform a V8 Mustang off the showroom"?

[mirrodie]

On what planet???

?

what he said

[T-Bird76]

A Maxima off the showroom can easily out perform a V8 Mustang off the showroom as well as a moded Max can out perform an equally equiped moded Mustang.
On what planet???

Comparing the Mustang GT and the Maxima 3.5SV, from the specs from the Road & Track road test data (http://www.roadandtrack.com/road-tests):

Engine: Mustang - V-8, Maxima - V-6
Price as tested: Mustang - $34,130, Maxima - $34,940

0-60mph: Mustang - 5.3sec, Maxima - 6.1 sec
0-100mph: Mustang - 12.7sec, Maxima - 15.4 sec
1/4 mile: Mustang - 13.8.3sec@104mph, Maxima - [email protected]
Top Speed: Mustang - 145mph, Maxima - 149mph
Braking from 60mph: Mustang - 115ft, Maxima - 121ft
Braking from 80mph: Mustang - 202ft, Maxima - 219ft
Skidpad: Mustang - 0.93g, Maxima - 0.86g
Slalom Avg Speed: Mustang - 69.1mph, Maxima - 65.4mph

Other than a few mph of top speed, it looks like the Mustang outperforms the Maxima in all their tests. Can you let me in on the tests that show a "Maxima off the showroom can easily out perform a V8 Mustang off the showroom"?

Considering you quoted Road and Track you've lost all credibility in your questioning. Why not quote Consumer Reports, another highly biased magazine.

[moose135]

OK, you don't like my source, let's see your "unbiased" test data...

[Nick]

So long Pontiac. Oh, I know a Mustang you could try. :)


http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7329/copyofdsc0201.jpg

[T-Bird76]

So long Pontiac. Oh, I know a Mustang you could try. :)


http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7329/copyofdsc0201.jpg

Please...those things are plastic pieces of Shat!. Chevy is bringing back the Caprice in 2011 based off of the G8 which is a great car, might look at that. I will say though the Taurus SHO looks like a winner as well.

[Joe C]

I believe Chevy is bringing back the Caprice in 2011 as a Police Vehicle Only.

[T-Bird76]

I believe Chevy is bringing back the Caprice in 2011 as a Police Vehicle Only.


When did GM change their mind? That sucks....the Caprice looked to be a nice ride, and I wonder why GM is still failing.

[Joe C]

Back in July, Bob Lutz was quoted saying that the short-lived Pontiac G8 would live on as the Chevrolet Caprice, but about a week later he recanted his statements. It is now clear that his statements were partially true as GM unveiled its police-fleet only 2011 Chevrolet Caprice at the annual International Association of Chiefs of Police conference, in Denver, Colo. Unlike the initial rumors, the Caprice 9C1, also known as the Caprice Police Patrol Vehicle (PPV), the Caprice will not be available for retail customers and it will be based off the Holden Statesman (which is the basis for the Middle East Chevy Caprice) not the Holden Commodore which was rebadged as the G8. Chevrolet will continue to offer Impala and Tahoe PPV models, but the Caprice should be the go to model for police and special service vehicle fleets.

There is always a chance, since they can't make up their mind on anything.

http://www.autotropolis.com/auto-indust ... e-9c1.html (http://www.autotropolis.com/auto-industry-news/chevrolet-back-on-the-beat-with-2011-caprice-9c1.html)