US Airways A320 Down in NYC Hudson River

[ChrisW]

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?secti ... id=6606410 (http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6606410)

Cactus 1549 on departure from LGA to CLT.

[Matt Molnar]

Pilot reported hitting a flock of geese, according to MSNBC.

146 pax + 5 crew on board.

Plane is upright, floating, dozens of boats surrounding the plane to evacuate passengers.

[pgengler]

Watching the CNN coverage online; they say it was a gentle landing and the plane is floating. Lots of ferries on the scene picking up people.

[Vidiot]

Makes me miss Miles O'Brien.

Last FlightExplore data (per CNN's Chad Myers) says that it was at 300 feet at 153 knots.

[ChrisW]

USAirways.com down due to volume. Flightaware down as well.

[mirrodie]

Possible bird strike.



Turn on the TV.


I looked at flightaware a few moments ago. Now , I don't use use it regularly, but in the spot there it showed scheduled altitude, it said 36000 ft but in the spot where it lists actual altitude, it showed 300 ft with a downward arrow.

Is the downward arrow standard nomenclature on that site?

[Matt Molnar]

On Passur, rewind to 15:26 http://www4.passur.com/lga.html

Looks like it climbed north to 3400 feet, then started descending and made a left toward the river and quickly descended heading south.

[Matt Molnar]

Is the downward arrow standard nomenclature on that site?
Down arrow means the plane is descending.

[Vidiot]

FlightAware screenshots:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6258/flightawarescreenshotnm2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/flightawarescreenshotnm2.jpg/1/w987.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img407/flightawarescreenshotnm2.jpg/1/)

http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/6927/flighttrackmaprvtoq9.gif (http://imageshack.us)
http://img510.imageshack.us/img510/flighttrackmaprvtoq9.gif/1/w800.png (http://g.imageshack.us/img510/flighttrackmaprvtoq9.gif/1/)

[Delta777LR]

I hope theres no fatalies

[NYARTCCFAN]

POSSIBLE BIRD INGESTION INVOLVED PRELIINARY. WOW ONLY 1 MILE FROM WHERE I USED TO LIVE

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On Jan 15, 2009, at 2:54 PM, Jimmy Farmer wrote:

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> US 1549 made a "water landing". LGA to CLT. A320 possible
> suffered a bird strike on take off.
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[mirrodie]

Makes me miss Miles O'Brien.

Last FlightExplore data (per CNN's Chad Myers) says that it was at 300 feet at 153 knots.



who is that? :oops:

[Vidiot]

Miles O'Brien is our former aviation and space correspondent. He's a pilot (he has a SR22) and knows a lot about aviation.

[Jonesbeach]

Looks like everyone got out safely.

[Vidiot]

Does anyplace archive LGA radio traffic? LiveATC doesn't have it.

[Matt Molnar]

Does anyplace archive LGA radio traffic? LiveATC doesn't have it.
Don't think so, unfortunately.

[AirtrafficController]

Reports are that all passengers and crew were evacuated safely from the A320. Its absolutely amazing that the aircraft is still intact.

[ChrisW]

Looks like the aircraft is going under. Glad everyone got out okay. She's nearly completely submerged.

[runway27r]

According to ACARS it "should" have been N106US

[Matt Molnar]

http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/usairways-river-a320-011509.jpg

[mirrodie]

Hey Jones-ey! How have you been? Hope all is well.

Hearing otn he news that all is accoutned for, looks good.

[Matt Molnar]

FAA says everyone out safely. Amazing.

[mmedford]

woohoo, good job on the flight crew's part...

From what I hear all are accounted for at this point in time...

airframes can be replaced, souls can't....

[ch2tdriver]

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/US-Airway ... 222806.jpg (http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/US-Airways-plane-crashes-into-Hudson-River/ss/events/us/011509planehudson#photoViewer=/090115/ids_photos_ts/r2033222806.jpg)

It looks like it came down right near the Intrepid! I wonder if they will tow it over to Pier 86 right behind the Concorde and prop it up for the NTSB investigation?

An amazing job by the flight crew getting her down in one piece!!

Pete

[Delta777LR]

Heres a few more images

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/sergair/planeinwater7_011509.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/sergair/planeinwater4_011509.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/sergair/planeinwater2_011509.jpg

[SengaB]

FBOweb shows it best.
http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/awe1549a.gif

Senga

[Matt Molnar]

Running out of stuff to talk about, news coverage is getting annoying now..."why is the plane still floating?" "I DON'T KNOW, IT'S AMAZING!"

It's probably because it's tied up to a boat, they're not going to let it sink.

[Matt Molnar]

Haha unbleeped passenger interview on MSNBC:

Reporter: What was the landing like?
Passenger: Scary as s**t!

[Jonesbeach]

Is it really tied up to one of the boats nearby? It seems like an awful lot of weight to carry once the plane is no longer buoyant. According to airbus.com, it looks like the typical weight would be about 100,000 lbs. For a barge, that's not a big deal, but for a passenger ferry, I would be concerned.

[mirrodie]

as I walk about the office, I heard a reporter say it was a bird strike on BOTH engines.

C'mon now lady.

[Matt Molnar]

Is it really tied up to one of the boats nearby? It seems like an awful lot of weight to carry once the plane is no longer buoyant. According to airbus.com, it looks like the typical weight would be about 100,000 lbs. For a barge, that's not a big deal, but for a passenger ferry, I would be concerned.
Not positive, but I'm pretty sure I saw ropes attached.

[Matt Molnar]

as I walk about the office, I heard a reporter say it was a bird strike on BOTH engines.

C'mon now lady.
That would seem to be the case, Mario...obviously more than one bird. If it were just one engine this would not have happened, and not many things besides multiple birds getting sucked into both engines would cause both engines to fail.

WSJ is reporting the captain had initially hoped to glide to TEB, but they lost altitude too quickly.

[moose135]

as I walk about the office, I heard a reporter say it was a bird strike on BOTH engines.

C'mon now lady.
It appears to be correct - seems it went through a flock of birds, effecting both engines. If only one engine was out, I would expect they could have stayed airborne.

[Derf]

The big question is where are they going to tow it to?

[Matt Molnar]

The big question is where are they going to tow it to?
Sounds like they're around 40th St now. There's a lot of good spots to fish it out from over there.

[moose135]

WNBC-4 is reporting the aircraft is down near 23rd St, and they will be trying to tie it up near Chelsea Piers (although I thought I heard someone say something about Chambers Street, which is even further downtown).

[Matt Molnar]

Eh, just rip the engines and black boxes out for inspection and let it float out to sea. Maybe it'll swim back to France. :)

[mmedford]

hopefully, we shall see it at JFK, we have a giant de-icing hangar that could be referred to as a heat lamp...

[pgengler]

I walked over to Pier A Park in Hoboken around 5pm (it's roughly across from Christopher Street) and saw the tail still above water and lots of boats around it. At that point it was already further south down the river so Chambers Street seems like a real possibility.

[Matt Molnar]

US Airways new LGA-Midtown service on final.

http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/us-1549-precrash-011509.jpg
Courtesy http://quiteallright.blogspot.com/2009/ ... photo.html (http://quiteallright.blogspot.com/2009/01/us-airways-flight-1549-pre-crash-photo.html)

[moose135]

WNBC is showing a shot of the aircraft up against a dock at Battery Park. The tail and left wing are up out of the water.

[NYCMedic]

I'm wondering if they will De-fuel the A/C (at least partially) while it is still in the water? I don't know if US would have tankered fuel for the A/C next leg, but I bet LGA-CLT with contingency for taxi/de-ice delays would have put the fuel on board up near 12,000kg to 15,000kg. I also think maybe JFK hangar 19(former Pan-AM, former United) for the investigation? It seems kind of logical to put the A/C on a barge, transport it to JFK then put it on low flatbeds and roll it to the hangar right at the end of 13R......... Hell of a job by the Flight Crew, hitting that water at over 150kts and keeping the A/C intact with only minor injuries to a few pax.

[USAF Pilot 07]

Latest reports said they have the plane tied up to a pier near Battery Park City. Amazing that everyone survived! I cannot believe that the aircraft didn't flip or break apart upon impact. Simply amazing!

[ch2tdriver]

as I walk about the office, I heard a reporter say it was a bird strike on BOTH engines.

C'mon now lady.

Why not, very plausible. Those Canada Geese love to fly in formations of 10-20 or more! Most likely the crew saw them at the last minute but it was too late. They also love to take wing right at sunset when you can't see them. I had a near miss with a flock of them at final to runway 19 at FRG. They must've been grazing at the cemetery and took off westbound crossing the final at 200'. I only caught them at the last second when I pulled up to avoid them. I scattered a V formation of at least 8 of them.

Pete

[Derf]

as I walk about the office, I heard a reporter say it was a bird strike on BOTH engines.

C'mon now lady.

Pete

That does happen... I remember vividly a CVR of a 737 with a birdstrike in both engines...the #1 went out and #2 started to surge about 2 times every second for about 60 seconds....then it got real quiet.

There are other examples

[Matt Molnar]

The captain, C. B. "Sully" Sullenberger, has been flying for at US for 29 years and has acted as a Check Airman, an ALPA safety chairman and an accident investigator. He's also a USAF Academy grad, flew F-4s for over six years and was on a USAF aircraft accident investigation board. If you're going to be on a plane with dead engines, I'd say you can't get a pilot with more relevant experience than this guy.

Here's his LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/209/118

[moose135]

There are other examples
"Yukla 27" was a USAF E-3 AWACS aircraft (707 type) which crashed on takeoff from Elmendorf Air Force Base, Alaska in 1995. It flew through a flock of geese while taking off, causing the number 1 and 2 engines to loose power. The crew was unable to control the aircraft and it crashed shortly after liftoff, killing all 24 on board.


The captain, C. B. "Sully" Sullenberger, has been flying for at US for 29 years and has acted as a Check Airman, an ALPA safety chairman and an accident investigator. He's also a USAF Academy grad, flew F-4s for over six years and was on a USAF aircraft accident investigation board. If you're going to be on a plane with dead engines, I'd say you can't get a pilot with more relevant experience than this guy.

Here's his LinkedIn profile: http://www.linkedin.com/pub/5/209/118
Is it any surprise he is an Air Force guy? http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/163275271_Jjvya-L.gif

[mirrodie]

You guys are right. I think I misinterpreted what ongoing reporters were saying.'

What I interpreted from what I heard was that the plane hit birds on takeoff.

So in looking at the flightpath maps, I was sitting there thinking, how could this guy continue north and then turn southwest with 2 engines off?!

So does it seem more plausible the strike took place later after takeoff?

[Derf]

They did, but I do not have any accurate info....sorry

[mirrodie]

just saw passur. Looks like she was losing altotude right over Bronx Park and then started the turn.

Wonder how scary it was also, seems on passur that when she was at 800 ft, there was another plane coming, head-on, N461SA at 500 ft, who turned east at the last moment.

Amazing day. my first thought was My gosh, not another AIr Florida on the Potomac. So glad it was the opposite!

[Matt Molnar]

So does it seem more plausible the strike took place later after takeoff?
It's possible. A couple weeks ago I was walking in Midtown and spotted a flock of geese flying well above a plane on approach to Newark, easily above 2000 feet. I was amazed that geese could fly that high.

I just googled it and found out Canada geese often fly as high as 9,000 feet, and some geese species fly over 20,000 feet!!!

[Derf]

an African vulture, struck by an airliner at 37,000 feet.

[moose135]

You guys are right. I think I misinterpreted what ongoing reporters were saying.'

What I interpreted from what I heard was that the plane hit birds on takeoff.

So in looking at the flightpath maps, I was sitting there thinking, how could this guy continue north and then turn southwest with 2 engines off?!

So does it seem more plausible the strike took place later after takeoff?
They may have hit the birds shortly after takeoff, but that doesn't mean that both engines lost complete power immediately. They may have lost one engine, and may have had a more progressive power loss in the other, depending on the amount of damage - it could cause compressor stalls, engine surges or other problems. They may have never lost power completely on the second engine, but it may have been damaged enough they were unable to continue flying with one engine out and one at partial power. Fortunately, it should be fairly easy to retrieve the black box data and see what happened.

[T-Bird76]

Alex messaged me about this and of course you think of the worst. Its truly a fantastic everyone made it off, when you think about it that really is amazing considering all the factors involed. Cheers to the flightdeck crew and their outstanding airmanship.

[mmedford]

So any word if the birds were injected directly after takeoff, or a short while after...?

If it was after takeoff, Port Authority might be in some deep water...

[Gerard]

> Fortunately, it should be fairly easy to retrieve the black box data and see what happened.[/quote]<

This was one of my favorite questions at Bloombergs news conference when a reporter asked if this black box is still
intact. Mayor Mike had a look like "You idiot the whole plane is intact" but answered it nicer than that.
The pictures of the passengers standing on the wings but looking like they were standing on water was AMAZING.
And big-time kudos to the ferrys of NY Waterways and Circle Line who today were the first responders, on scene SECONDS
after the plane "Landed" in the river.
What a great outcome to what could have been a huge disaster.

[nikon50bigma]

Amazing that everything turned out for the best given the situation. No one was really hurt and great job from the flight crew. I'm only in SI and not too far away; does anyone know for sure where they will 'dock' her for the night? I heard near battery park but I just wanted to make sure. Was thinking about heading over there tomorrow morning just to check it out before school.

[Gerard]

> I'm only in SI and not too far away; does anyone know for sure where they will 'dock' her for the night? I heard near battery park but I just wanted to make sure. Was thinking about heading over there tomorrow morning just to check it out before school.[/quote]

Right now a shot from Skyfox showed it down by Battery Park. How long it stays there is anyones guess but probably for awhile.
Some eyewitnesses interviewed thought the plane was another terrorist attack and it was going to head into a building. And ironic
that it is now docked right across from Ground Zero.

[nikon50bigma]

I wonder if it will still be by there tomorrow afternoon. Do you think anyone would give me a problem if I wanted to see it and take photos of it be the dock or seawall? Ya know the whole illegal spheal?

[Matt Molnar]

I wonder if it will still be by there tomorrow afternoon. Do you think anyone would give me a problem if I wanted to see it and take photos of it be the dock or seawall? Ya know the whole illegal spheal?
Pretty sure no one will give you a problem about photos, but if it is still there, I think there will be a wide perimeter to keep anyone away from it. But who knows, give it a shot.

[Matt Molnar]

This is officially the first time a commercial jet has executed a successful water landing without any deaths.


Safe Water Landing a Remarkable Feat (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123205611103787217.html)

By J. LYNN LUNSFORD

For the first time in 50 years of commercial jet flight, the pilots of US Airways Flight 1549 successfully executed one of the most technically challenging maneuvers, landing a jetliner on water without fatalities.

Although commercial jetliners are required to be equipped with life vests and inflatable slides for use in an emergency landing on water, it is a seldom-attempted feat. Indeed, even though pilots go through the motions of training to ditch a plane in the water, the generally held belief is that such landings would almost certainly result in fatalities.

To accomplish such a feat shortly after takeoff, while maneuvering past the skyscrapers and dense development of Manhattan, and into the crowded Hudson River, is widely being hailed as a testament to the crew's piloting skills. [Full Article (http://online.wsj.com/article/SB123205611103787217.html)]

[Derf]

Overseas National Airways DC9 did it a while ago... I think there were 9 deaths....but that was not in calm weather, that swas a stormy seas with 8ft rolling waves!!!!

[USAF Pilot 07]

The captain, C. B. "Sully" Sullenberger, has been flying for at US for 29 years and has acted as a Check Airman, an ALPA safety chairman and an accident investigator. He's also a USAF Academy grad, flew F-4s for over six years and was on a USAF aircraft accident investigation board.

Nice to see a fellow Zoomie and ex-Air Force aviator handle this so well! A lot of props to him!

Here's some more info on him (pic included):
http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ye ... hero1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/years/2009/0115093hero1.html)





I just googled it and found out Canada geese often fly as high as 9,000 feet, and some geese species fly over 20,000 feet!!!

Better to hit a bird and have engine failure cruising at 20,000' than to hit one at 2,000' right after takeoff or on final.

Birds are probably the biggest everyday threat to flying operations. We get large flocks of vultures and other birds - especially during the summer - quite frequently. Birdstrikes aren't all that uncommon, and most of the time unless they end up with the aircraft making a safe landing. The biggest danger is if birds make direct hits on critical components necessary for sustained flight (engines/control surfaces etc...). There was an AWACS plane up in Alaska in the 90s that went through a similar event - unfortunately it crashed and all aboard perished.

[Delta777LR]

Think about the Thomsonfly 752 incident over a year ago in Manchester Ringway. A heron got suck into the #2 engine while rotating. There was flames coming out of the engine, but was able to make it back to Manchester safely landing with one engine.

[PhilDernerJr]

First, I'd like to say that I hope that our friends and fellow-members who work for US are ok, preferably that they had the afternoon off. Knowing one of your own planes went down has got to be a horrible feeling that I wish on no one. Touch base guys! Please!

An amazing story, without saying. This is the direct result of two things. First is the enormous skill and cool of the pilots. Second is because of safety in guidelines and design from decades of crashes that make air disasters more survivable. We can truly thank out government agencies for that.

What could have been a heartbreaking day actually became a happy and relieving one. Hats off to the US Airways crew!

[PhilDernerJr]

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2009_01_usairwater.jpg

[Matt Molnar]

According to ACARS it "should" have been N106US
Ex-Shuttle plane. Here is the most recent photo of her in NY on anet or jpnet, from 2003, by Art Brett:
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[PhilDernerJr]

Actually, Josh Akbar caught it at LGA from Planeview in May of '04.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php? ... 40&nseq=10 (http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=481240&nseq=10)

[ChrisW]

Paul caught her at PHL in June 2008: http://www.flickr.com/photos/runway27r/2579331944/

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3067/2579331944_3a12d6a1d0.jpg

[Gerard]

>Wonder how scary it was also, seems on passur that when she was at 800 ft, there was another plane coming, head-on, N461SA at 500 ft, who turned east at the last moment.

I knew that N # sounded familiar. N461SA is not a fixed wing but a Eurocopter AS350 B2 owned by Wings Air LLC out of
White Plains. I bet they have a helluva story to tell.

http://www.wingsair.net/helicopters_charters.php

[PhilDernerJr]

Incredible photo taken before any boats showed up!

http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregorylam ... 0/sizes/o/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregorylam/3200086900/sizes/o/)

[G-BOAD]

Amazing job by the flight crew.
BBC has some great photos sent in by readers:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_pictures/7832390.stm
According to picture #4, it is now docked at Battery Park. I would imagine it would take some time to set up cranes in order to lift the plane and place it on a barge?

[LGA777]

Just a quick hello from US LGA, another very long day in the Tower which started before 0600 for me with lot's of deicing. As luck would have it I was the Tower Supv today, my team on both sides of the room came through this as I would expect, with flying colors. We did what we are trained to do (I went thru a company emergencey exercise only a few months ago) and we got thru it. Having everyone survive does make things much easier to deal with, regardless I am very proud of my co-workers and especially the crew of US 1549, and also Airbus for building a solid airplane.

One side note, I am now waiting for the second of two go-team flights to arrive. The first from PIT was ironically sister ship A-320 N105UW. The second, from PHX is a little more interesting, wingletted 757 N909AW, which will be leaving LGA at 1000 Friday morning if anyone wants to try and catch this rare LGA visitor.

And finally today, like every day, I am still proud to be a part of the USAirways family.

Regards

LGA777

[MarkLawrence]

Kudos to the whole team Ron! That's what team work is all about!

It was an amazing piece of airmanship, obviously the great training of all the flight and cabin crew in getting everyone out safely and without loss of life. No matter how much people knock different airlines, this is a time when everyone should be singing the praises of US Airways!

[Delta777LR]

I wonder if it will still be by there tomorrow afternoon. Do you think anyone would give me a problem if I wanted to see it and take photos of it be the dock or seawall? Ya know the whole illegal spheal?
Pretty sure no one will give you a problem about photos, but if it is still there, I think there will be a wide perimeter to keep anyone away from it. But who knows, give it a shot.

I might go down there to get a few shots

[heeshung]

I read on another forum that, apparently, the A320 has a 'ditching' mode, which closes valves below the flotation line.

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/UnitedVirtualResources/ditchin1_4G4XO.jpg

http://i142.photobucket.com/albums/r89/UnitedVirtualResources/ditchin2_A1wzs.jpg

[G-BOAD]

I wonder if it will still be by there tomorrow afternoon. Do you think anyone would give me a problem if I wanted to see it and take photos of it be the dock or seawall? Ya know the whole illegal spheal?
Pretty sure no one will give you a problem about photos, but if it is still there, I think there will be a wide perimeter to keep anyone away from it. But who knows, give it a shot.

I might go down there to get a few shots

I'm going to try to go there after school, around 3:30-4. Might be a total miss, but we'll never know until we try.

[Matt Molnar]

http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/us-air-ireport-011509.jpg

[emshighway]

I responded directly to the US Air Terminal and was in the Station Managers office most of the night. I just got home and just wanted to say great job from the pilot all the way up and down the line at US Airways. From Loretta, Lou to all the staff who showed up to help, you should all be proud. Everyone jumped in and the main concern was to make sure staff got to the hospitals to make sure any assistance the passengers needed they had.

JetBlue sent pizza over. PANYNJ, PAPD, FBI, DHS/TSA, NYPD and the airline all worked great together in multiple locations.

[jerslice]

A friend of mine called from CA while I was working to tell me to check the news...I got onto yahoo and couldn't believe my eyes. Incredible job from the pilot and cabin crew. I wonder if a video or some good quality photos will show up.

Also, kudos to jetBlue for that small gesture of pizza. I really liked that.

[USAF Pilot 07]

Someone has created a facebook "fan club" group for the pilot....

(Matt I know you've seen it already)...

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=56710389492

[DHG750R]

Looks like the USAirways go team, including the Doug Parker arrived LGA around 11:11 pm onboard a B757 from PHX

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/AWE9031

[moose135]

You knew someone had to do it, and you could have figured it was going to be Fred and me...we met down near the site around 11pm. The streets nearest to where the aircraft is "docked" were closed to vehicle traffic (except emergency vehicles) but open to pedestrians. The waterfront park where the aircraft is located is closed off, and for the most part they kept us across the street from the park as well. Only the left wing and a bit of the vertical stabilizer are visible from the street. As you can see from the photos, the leading edge flap is missing.

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/455682252_nhL8m-L-1.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/455684271_v5HbU-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/455684881_SsGqu-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/455683729_VTJeb-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/455684619_8NJk8-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/455683323_dP7Zb-L-1.jpg

It was cold! There were a fair amount of people out to take a look and take photos. At one point, Fred and I (along with at least one freelance photographer) were down at the south end of the street, right next to where the TV reporters were set up for their stand up reports. A police officer told us "No Pictures!" When I asked why, and reminded him we were on a public street, he said, "That's what they told me - no pictures." I asked him why it was OK for the TV crews to be shooting, but not us, he said "That's what they told me." Since I didn't think I could get anyone to come out at Midnight in 10 degree weather to bail me out of jail, we walked back up the street, where no one bothered us about photos.

The airplane is up near the shore just south of Chambers Street. They had a crane moved in close, but no barge when I left. One fireman I spoke with before I left said they had been told the plane would be moved in the morning.

Ron, great job by all your folks, and good work by all the emergency crews and others who responded. It could have been so much worse.

[Matt Molnar]

Awesome Moose and Fred!

I know there are a whole list of reasons it probably wouldn't happen, but I wonder if the Intrepid would have any interest in keeping the plane since she landed almost right behind her.

[Alessio]

Did they dump any fuel before they ditched?
How much fuel did they have onboard before takeoff.
Glad this crash didn´t turn out the same way as the recent one in France with the A320 ditched and was completely destroyed.

[Matt Molnar]

Did they dump any fuel before they ditched?
The A320 does not have the ability to dump fuel.


How much fuel did they have onboard before takeoff?
Probably not too much. LGA-CLT flight time is only about 90 mins.

[moose135]

The A320 does not have a fuel dump capability.

[Jetinder]

Heard about it on BBC New last night and watched the mayor of NYC speaking live at 11pm UK time.

That pilot and his crew deserve a medal for what they did, this was the best crash landing which could have ever happened (as every one survived and are a live).

My warmest congratulations to the crew and passengers of this flight.

[DHG750R]

Yes there is a guarded overhead switch labeled "ditching" As you look at the picture, it's in the lower right hand side of the panel , on the "Cabin Press" panel

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[Speedbird1]

I tracked the A320 aircraft on Passur. The news reports were wrong regarding the route. AWE 1549 never flew over New Jersey. The pilot started to fly the standard departure route off Rwy 4 and was climbing. After passing over Bronx Park, he started to descend ( sign something was wrong) and then made an incredible loop over Marble Hill. The way he avoided the GW Bridge is remarkable. He flew just east of the Bridge then headed for the Hudson while still descending. He is off the Passur radar at about 600' adjacent to W 125th St. in the middle of the Hudson. This all happened so fast. Kudos to all !

[Speedbird1]

It was strange that when first seen by witnesses, the US Airways A320 was facing northwards. The tail was facing south. Since the aircraft approached from the north, shouldn't the nose be facing south? A news moderator said that the Hudson River current turned the aircraft around but it sounds strange that it could happen within moments of ditching. Any thoughts about this?

[PhilDernerJr]

It's not a big deal for the plane to have turned in any direction while floating. Anything floating without power in the water can turn just with the current.

[Speedbird1]

I heard that the Airbus will be hoisted later today but no mention of where it would be brought to. I am curious to see if both engines endured bird strikes. Nice idea about keeping the Airbus aboard the Intrepid but there's no room for it there and I don't think it would be be good advertising for US Airways. The aircraft is historic, no doubt, and should be put on display maybe at the Smithsonian Air & Space Museum. I want to see the heroic pilot, nicknamed Sully, be honored by a parade as well as be invited to sit on the podium at next Tuesdays' Inauguration. This guy saved over 100 lives and is a real hero.

[Speedbird1]

I also like the idea of towing the Airbus over to JFK's Hangar 19 for examination. Isn't that where the Concorde was de-commissioned, too 5 years ago? Another possibility if JFK is not feasible is to tow it to the Bayonne dock, which is much closer. I think the aircraft is now off Battery park City near Stuyvestant HS.

[Speedbird1]

No doubt, Capt Sullenberger did a superb job. Lucky too that the wind was north and LGA approaches were not flying northbound over the Hudson for the Rwy 22 Approach. Where could he put his aircraft down if aircraft were filling the airspace over the Hudson? Also on his side was the visibility. The morning snowfall would have obliterated his view of the Hudson and I dread to think of the outcome. By 1500, the visibility was nearly unlimited with just some scattered clouds.

[Speedbird1]

One news report said the bird strike happened at around altitude 3200 feet rather than immediately after take-off. This would explain the normal departure including an increase in altitude until passing over the Bronx Zoo & Garden. Altitude over Bronx Park was 3200'(Passur) and immediately after, the aircraft banked towards the Hudson River and lost altitude quickly. It was at only 1700' while passing Inwood Hill, Manhattan.

[PhilDernerJr]

Four posts in a row, five our of the first 6 on this page alone. I think that's a new record, Speedbird. Three of them with already-mentioned info. Your percentage is improving!

If LGA was operating 22 for arrivals, then it might have been difficult for the US jet to depart on rwy 4, and from a different runway, it wouldn't have been near the Hudson like it was anyway. I didn't look at the winds, but northern winds would have been somewhat helpful.

I was told that the pilot pitched the nose up very high at the last second, letting the tail drag the water, slowing the plane down so to not rip the engines off once they hit as well. Jet engines' shape scoop up the water when entering it, and when at decent speed, will rip off of the plane. Or worse, rip teh wing off. If this plane has no wings, it probably would not have floated like it did, and would have been disasterous. Anything less than what happened, and it woudl have gotten very messy very easily.

People say "Wow, good pilot", but when you see the skill actually applied, you learn how talented this guy really was.

[Speedbird1]

Why no pictures of the aircraft from the street? You guys went-out in freezing conditions to take a few photos and were told no photos. If you were standing behind the barrier there should be no problem. How could taking photos do any harm? On the other hand, the press could get up-close. This is an example of basic freedoms we have lost since 9-11. Of course, we know who to thank for that! This reminds me of how we were harrassed while trying to take photos of the final Concorde landing at JFK.

[Midnight Mike]

Would have been nice, if all of the kudos would have gone out to the entire crew, or, at a minimum, to the cockpit crew.

Without the pilot in the right seat & the pilot in the left working together as a team, the airplane would have never landed in one piece the way it did.....

The Cabin Crew did a nice job handling the passengers! :borat:

[USAF Pilot 07]

Where could he put his aircraft down if aircraft were filling the airspace over the Hudson? Also on his side was the visibility.

Big sky theory man. In an emergency you do what you need to do to get the aircraft down. In VMC conditions you hope that if ATC doesn't/can't provide separation, that the other aircraft will see you and avoid you.

Also, unlikely scenario because if LGA bound aircraft were flying up the hudson, they would most likely be using 22 for landing, meaning no rwy 4 departures.

[Speedbird1]

Is the ditching button unique to the A320? One of the news reports said that this aircraft has a "Ditching Button" which closes all valves below the flotation line. Is it really unique to only Airbus? Don't Boeing aircraft include this feature? I also heard that the A320 is unable to "dump" fuel. I took it for granted that all aircraft could "dump" fuel in emergencies.

[USAF Pilot 07]

Most engines are designed to shear off of the aircraft in cases such as these. Whether they did or not in this case, I'm not sure, but the fact that he didn't catch one wing on the water and flip and violently break up is remarkable. The guy is a certified glider instructor (not sure how current he is on this, since he probably was certified back at the Academy in the 1970s), but all of his skills combined along with his extensive experience and knowledge of the aircraft and flight environment and little bit of luck is really what saved his aircraft. Many kudos to this guy!

[PhilDernerJr]

I can only speak for the 757 and 767, which do in fact have a ditch switch.

[JHNA57]

Air France A340 - Canada
Continental 737 - Denver
US Air A320 - NYC

3 MAJOR accidents
No fatalities or even "serious injuries"

Are we seeing a pattern here?

[mirrodie]

I was told that the pilot pitched the nose up very high at the last second, letting the tail drag the water, slowing the plane down so to not rip the engines off once they hit as well. .... Anything less than what happened, and it woudl have gotten very messy very easily.

People say "Wow, good pilot", but when you see the skill actually applied, you learn how talented this guy really was.

To add to this, I'm really happy for the guy and his aviation safety business. He just got the ultimate form of word of mouth that any business will ever have.



I read this on anet and felt that, in a way, it discredits the pilot.



Those computers kept it flying....probably in Alpha Floor protection mode all the way, resulting in a very controlled, absolute minimum speed touchdown, just above Vs. Pull the sidestick all the way back and let the computers keep her in the air. No chance of a Stall.
Textbook ditching IMHO.


Would anyone care to comment on what was said?


OH, and to Fred and Moose, you guys are the bomb. As I lay me down to sleep at 11:10 PM, I know that somewhere, out there, if there is some av event going on, you guys OWN it! :borat:

[PhilDernerJr]

I don't know much about the A320 systems, but even if he did arrange it so the aircraft stayed just above stall speed, that has nothing to do with the plot's ability to make the decision to river-ditch, control his descent in a glide, be smart enough to pitch the nose up (I DON'T think that is a part of training, but actually a part of his GLIDING experience), and keep the horizon level so to not spin the plane. If what you quoted is true, Mario, it does not discredit the Captain one bit to me.

I also am DYING to hear the CVR.

[mirrodie]

Last night, I was watching Bill O'Reilly and he interviewed one of the passengers from the flight.

The passenger gave a play by play as he saw it. He is also a private pilot.

What was remarkable was how calm everything is reported to have gone on the plane.
So this thought just crossed my mind...

Here were 150 people who kept calm....Such a dire situation and they kept calm. So under pressure, humans know how to act. But give 'em a sale at Walmart and they'll kill each other... :roll:


Oh and another thought. On Anet, some guy was playing down that the pilot wasn't a hero ( I disagree) as he was just doing his job.

We had a lot of heros yesterday but hats off to the ferry guys. As far as I know, the ferry captain didn't act on any order. HE just saw what was going on and went to it.

[Matt Molnar]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3111/3200086900_4d628d9b9a.jpg
Greg Lam Pak Ng (http://www.flickr.com/photos/gregorylam/) via Flickr

[USAF Pilot 07]

Those computers kept it flying....probably in Alpha Floor protection mode all the way, resulting in a very controlled, absolute minimum speed touchdown, just above Vs. Pull the sidestick all the way back and let the computers keep her in the air. No chance of a Stall.
Textbook ditching IMHO.


Would anyone care to comment on what was said?



I'd be interested to find out if the computers still affect control and performance systems with dual engine failure.

I would think that if both of your engines fail, you would lose non-critical electrical system components (i.e. autopilot, system input cautions/checks, stall warnings etc...), along with your primary hydraulic system.

My guess is that with both engines out, the computer systems "controlling" flight are disengaged, and flying reverts back to more of a "manual" mode (i.e. no computer warnings/inputs, no autopilot, no primary hydraulic power etc...). If this is the case, then the pilot was controlling everything manually.

Even if this isn't the case, I don't think any autopilot could be set to land an aircraft on the water without having it break apart or suffer from a violent impact.

[PhilDernerJr]

I can't imagine what it's like, no so much the landing, but to stand onteh wing with freezing water logged in your shoes, waiting for a boat to come get you.

Those ferry Captains also did a heck of a job. They just turned their boats and bounced, passengers and all.

[Matt Molnar]

http://media.nbcnewyork.com/images/600*337/UGC-Plane-Landing.jpg

[PhilDernerJr]

I'd be interested to find out if the computers still affect control and performance systems with dual engine failure.

I would think that if both of your engines fail, you would lose non-critical electrical system components (i.e. autopilot, system input cautions/checks, stall warnings etc...), along with your primary hydraulic system.

My guess is that with both engines out, the computer systems "controlling" flight are disengaged, and flying reverts back to more of a "manual" mode (i.e. no computer warnings/inputs, no autopilot, no primary hydraulic power etc...). If this is the case, then the pilot was controlling everything manually.

Even if this isn't the case, I don't think any autopilot could be set to land an aircraft on the water without having it break apart or suffer from a violent impact.

Good points.

If he lost both engines, he most certainly did lose most systems, including auto-pilot, so what that guy suggested is impossible. they did lose primary hydraulic functions, and they had limited control of their control surfaces (rudder, ailerons, elevator, flaps). The APU could have been turned on, but that takes 2-3 minutes and I'm sure they didn't have time for that.

[Delta777LR]

I just realized something, As you all know I went LGA spotting on Tuesday and I noticed at the last second that I caught the same plane (N106US) from soundview...

http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/sergair/IMG_5942.jpg

[Matt Molnar]

Nice, Sergio. That's probably the last pic of her before the accident.

[Delta777LR]

Nice, Sergio. That's probably the last pic of her before the accident.

I got it 2 days before it went down..

[Alessio]

So did the engines windmill before it crashed?
Can you see from the cockpit if the engines windmill or are stuck when they not functioning normally, how many rpm would it be?

[emshighway]

Most engines are designed to shear off of the aircraft in cases such as these. Whether they did or not in this case, I'm not sure, but the fact that he didn't catch one wing on the water and flip and violently break up is remarkable.

NTSB has NYPD divers looking for the left engine.

[AirtrafficController]

Most engines are designed to shear off of the aircraft in cases such as these. Whether they did or not in this case, I'm not sure, but the fact that he didn't catch one wing on the water and flip and violently break up is remarkable.

NTSB has NYPD divers looking for the left engine.

Actually both of the aircraft's engines tore off on impact and are somewhere in the Hudson river. It looks like they will be the lifting the plane out of the water tommorow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/nyreg ... =permalink (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/nyregion/17crashcnd.html?_r=1&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink)

[NYCMedic]

I can only speak for the 757 and 767, which do in fact have a ditch switch.


Who operates 757s and 767s with a "Ditch Switch?"

[mirrodie]

Nice last shot there Gotham. Surprised a vid has not yet surfaced.

[PhilDernerJr]

I can only speak for the 757 and 767, which do in fact have a ditch switch.


Who operates 757s and 767s with a "Ditch Switch?"

Go ask MCC. Unless JG, JC, and others are wrong. Maybe it has a diff name?

[LGA777]

Another short hello from US LGA, and a few coments.

Sergio got a shot of Ship 106 on Tuesday, ironically 106 operated US 938/1549 on the 12th, 13th, and the 15th.

Most of you know of all the deserved recognition the Captain is getting, here is a significant one,

Dear Fellow USAPA Pilots,

This afternoon at approximately 12:15, Captain Sullenberger received a phone call from President Bush congratulating him on his efforts during yesterday's accident and rescue. The president said he was in awe of Capt. Sullenberger's flying skills.

Capt. Sullenberger thanked President Bush, but added that it was a team effort and required the assistance of his First Officer Jeff, and flight attendants Donna, Doreen and Sheila. He stated that, as professional airline pilots, we face risks and challenges every day, and we're really just doing our jobs. On this particular occasion, he said, we are particularly gratified by the outcome.

For those interested I understand Dateline NBC is doing there entire show on US 1549 tonight, Friday at 2200 on NBC.

Flight 1549's Flight number has been retired, starting today it is now US 1543, and in the Feburary schedule change it returns to it's normal A-321 aircraft type, which it is most of the year due to demand.

There have been many coments on this site and elsewhere about the Passengers behavior, especially compared to the recent Walmart tragedy, and I have a partial theory. Most Thursday afternoons US's last 3 LGA-CLT Mainline flights starting with 1549 are primarily buisness travelers, it is comon to have 30-40 passengers on the upgrade to First standby lists and at least typcially 75 pct of the aircraft being passengers in the Top 3 levels of US's frequent flyer program, Chairmans, Platinum and Gold. While even if I had info about this for 1549 which I do not I would not post it here but I do suspect there where are large number of very FF's on this flight. I understand Bank of America alone had 23 employees onboard according to the media.

Many of you have seen the flight path on Passur. I live in the Bedford Park area of the Bronx and most Runway 4 departures pass right over us, it appears 1549 did indeed pass right overhead my neighborhood and it had already started down by then, with my 2 year old daughter and wife down there it gives me my own personal thanks to the Captain for his Glider skills.

And lastly EMSHighway sorry I missed you last night, I was briefly in Loretta's office around 1230, lot's of people so I guessed I did not see you.

Thanks to all for the positve feedback.

LGA777

[NYCMedic]

I just sat with Haroon and Vinny and we went over the Manuals and Panel posters and couldn't find anything. Vinny said the only thing Boeing has is support so that the cargo doors don't implode and the pressurization outflow valve can be manually closed so as not to let water in. A few line guys were just in the office and confirmed it as well. You should know better than to listen to JC....... :wink:

[Delta777LR]

I took pictures this morning at Battery Park and NJ of the plane.. After taking shots at Battery Park, I hoped on the PATH train and got off at Exchange Place to shoot from NJ.

Here are 4 shots from Battery Park
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/sergair/IMG_5964-1.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/sergair/IMG_5965.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/sergair/IMG_5968.jpg
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/sergair/IMG_5969.jpg

And 1 from NJ
http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o37/sergair/IMG_5970.jpg

[Gerard]

Heads up reporters, on ABC they are giving a 10AM ETA to lift the aircraft out of the water.
Bundle up and good hunting.

[Gerard]

>Flight 1549's Flight number has been retired,<

It has also been retired by the NYS Lottery. SAles of that number for Pick Four were so heavy that the lottery
people have stopped selling it. In fact it is sold out through Tuesday.
Amazing.

[moose135]

Thanks for the heads up on the lift, guess I'm heading back out in the morning!

I was over in Jersey City for a few hours this afternoon and got a few shots:

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/455995657_8KBrS-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/455995966_fJWZ6-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/455996298_kz9TP-L.jpg

[Delta777LR]

Moose, what time you was there? I was there about 11AM shooting pictures too

[moose135]

Must have just missed you Sergio. I got there a little after Noon (EXIF on my first shot says 12:24pm) I shot for a little while, grabbed some lunch, then headed back over when there was a little better light on the plane.

[Delta777LR]

Must have just missed you Sergio. I got there a little after Noon (EXIF on my first shot says 12:24pm) I shot for a little while, grabbed some lunch, then headed back over when there was a little better light on the plane.

Yea I left around 11:45AM we did missed each other lol

[moose135]

Not to toot my own horn, but...first photo on JP.net, just added as a Hot Photo:

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6463659

[LGA777]

Moose, you can toot your own horn all you want, it's a great shot and caption, you took your time, gas, and energy and braved the COLD to get it, you deserve to toot.

LGA777

[LGA777]

US has released details on the crew in this internal memo to staff, I find it interesting in their mix as far as who they started with.


Announcement Regarding Flight #1549: Update #8
Jan. 16, 2009

US Airways has released the names of the crew on board Flight 1549.


Captain Chesley B. Sullenberger, III, age 58, joined US Airways (PSA Airlines) in 1980. He has a total of 19,663 flight hours.

First officer Jeffrey B. Skiles, age 49, joined US Airways (USAir) in 1986. He has a total of 15,643 flight hours.

Flight Attendant Sheila Dail, age 57, joined US Airways (Piedmont Airlines) in 1980 and has more than 28 years experience with the airline.

Flight Attendant Doreen Welsh, age 58, joined US Airways (Allegheny Airlines) in 1970 and has more than 38 years experience with the airline.

Flight Attendant Donna Dent, age 51, was hired by US Airways (Piedmont Airlines) in 1982 and has more than 26 years with the airline.

In a press conference earlier today, US Airways Chairman and CEO Doug Parker said, “I, like the rest of you, am extremely proud of our crew for their quick and heroic actions. Today they are safe and doing well, and along with so many other members of our team, are assisting with the official investigation. In the meantime, our continued focus and support will be on our passengers, their families and our crew.”

Flight 1549 was involved in an accident en route to Charlotte, N.C. from LaGuardia, N.Y. Airline officials are in direct contact with local, state and national authorities and are cooperating fully with emergency response efforts. US Airways has activated the “US Airways Care” team of specially trained employee volunteers to assist families and passengers.

Individuals who believe they may have family members on board flight 1549 may call US Airways at 1-800-679-8215 within the United States. This number can be reached toll-free from international locations through AT&T’s USADirect®. To contact an AT&T operator, please visit http://www.usa.att.com/traveler for USADirect® access codes


While this was a Senior crew trust me it not unusual at all to see an entire US Crew this senior. This is one of the reasons I always feel so safe flying on US.

Regards

LGA777

[moose135]

That's something, Ron - the 49 year old FO is the "kid" of the crew!

[G-BOAD]

Moose, you can toot your own horn all you want, it's a great shot and caption, you took your time, gas, and energy and braved the COLD to get it, you deserve to toot.

LGA777
Not to mention, he went to Jersey!!

Not knowing the exact location of the aircraft, I arrived a Bowling green at Battery park, and worked my way north. For anyone who wants to visit, its location is in the proximity of Chambers street, on the west side. I also arrived just as the sun was setting.
Here are some photos:
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l233/mateu21/NewYorkA320crash2009-01-16021.jpg
(the area, and you can see the tail)
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l233/mateu21/NewYorkA320crash2009-01-16030.jpg
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l233/mateu21/NewYorkA320crash2009-01-16044.jpg
also got this one:
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l233/mateu21/NewYorkA320crash2009-01-16005.jpg

The photos are nothing to be proud of, but it was still nice to see it.

[nikon50bigma]

I was down there after school today from like 2-4:30; and then went over to Jersey for some shots there.
I'll be out there tomorrow, so if anyone is heading out feel free to shoot me a pm. From around 8:30 to whenever it finishes.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z211/nikon50bigma/_DSC3155.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z211/nikon50bigma/_DSC3452.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z211/nikon50bigma/_DSC3250.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z211/nikon50bigma/_DSC3162.jpg

These two were taken in NJ just as the sun was going down, so I had to crank up the ISO.
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z211/nikon50bigma/_DSC3573.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z211/nikon50bigma/_DSC3603.jpg
I wonder where the best spot would be to see it being lifted... across the water or by the park or in the middle where the OEM trucks were?

[DHG750R]

Regarding the ditching switch , found this online.
http://www.airbusdriver.net/

He's a USAirways guy , lots of good info on the 'bus


17. What does the DITCHING pb do? PHB 10.5.4
The DITCHING pb on the pressurization panel, when selected ON, allows the pilot to close all exterior openings
below the flotation line. This will enhance flotation of the aircraft in case of ditching.
System sends a ?close? signal to:
• Outflow valve (if not in manual control)
• Emergency ram air inlet
• Avionics ventilation inlet and extraction valves
• Pack flow control valves
• Forward cargo isolation outlet valve (if installed)

[N221UA]

Courtesy of USCG...Check out how FAST the plane just came to stop! :shock:

http://cgvi.uscg.mil/media/main.php?g2_itemId=451609&g2_navId=xc25287b0

[lijk604]

That first boat was there in under 3 minutes. This truly was a best case scenario. I am very glad to know the outstanding, job done by all under truly unique circumstances.

[Gerard]

[quote="moose135"]Thanks for the heads up on the lift, guess I'm heading back out in the morning!

Your welcome but you guys do know you are NUTS!!!!??? :lol: :lol: :lol:
Its friggin 3 degrees out as I write this!!!!
Happy hunting. And nice shot of the HH-65. I heard on the news that USCG Air Station Atlantic City scrambled
3 helos on Thursday anticipating the worse case scenario. And nice job by NYPD Air/Sea Rescue 23. Their deployed
divers were right on time rescuing a passenger who was in the water and in extreme distress. Interesting to see # 23
used for Air/Sea Rescue as that is their "Command & Control" aircraft. I would also have to guess that aviation assests
all over the area were put on alert for SAR duties.
Still get chills watching the footage/pictures. Just a wonderful story to start the New year.

[Mellyrose]

Oy vey...

http://gothamist.com/attachments/jen/2009_01_plh10.jpg

[Mellyrose]

PS...VIDEO:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archiv ... s_from.php (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/01/this_video_apparently_comes_from.php)

[Gerard]

Breaking News on CNN that PETA is preparing to sue US Airways, the FAA, PA of NY & NJ, Airbus and just about
anyone else involved on behalf of the poor geese who lost their lives in Thursdays unfortunate accident.
:lol:
Actually there was a caller to talk radio the other day DEFENDING the geese!!
OY!!

[Gerard]

PS...VIDEO:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archiv ... s_from.php (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/01/this_video_apparently_comes_from.php)

Fox News just showed a new video with an even closer view of the touchdown. Amazing.

[Matt Molnar]

PS...VIDEO:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archiv ... s_from.php (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/2009/01/this_video_apparently_comes_from.php)

Fox News just showed a new video with an even closer view of the touchdown. Amazing.
http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html ... d=playlist (http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=3452813&referralPlaylistId=playlist)

[Derf]

Here are a few of my shots from the night of the ditching
http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456316810_fV3uV-L.jpg

http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456318087_gCraJ-M.jpg

http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456316545_9V72Q-L.jpg

http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456316215_eGK8X-L.jpg

http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456321846_Q9aaB-L.jpg

Other side of the road!
http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456318657_JXdtu-L.jpg

http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456317772_A5Xmq-L.jpg

http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456318372_Df3hr-L.jpg

http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456319311_twkaw-L.jpg

http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456323398_wT63H-L.jpg

http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/456323029_YSZmp-L.jpg
Thanks for the company as always Moose :borat:

[emshighway]

Most engines are designed to shear off of the aircraft in cases such as these. Whether they did or not in this case, I'm not sure, but the fact that he didn't catch one wing on the water and flip and violently break up is remarkable.

NTSB has NYPD divers looking for the left engine.

Actually both of the aircraft's engines tore off on impact and are somewhere in the Hudson river. It looks like they will be the lifting the plane out of the water tommorow.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/nyreg ... =permalink (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/17/nyregion/17crashcnd.html?_r=1&partner=permalink&exprod=permalink)

No, the right engine (or whatever is left of it) is still on the wing. The right wing is presently tucked under the pier.

Do you think I just pull info out of orifices??? The news only tells what it knows. :wink:

[PhilDernerJr]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=f9d_1232215032

[NYCMedic]

The first 2 calls to 911 have been released

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local&id=6610060


Four minutes later - at 3:33 p.m. - a woman called in from Manhattan to report the plane had hit the water.
"Yes, a-a-a plane had just crashed into the Hudson River," she said. "A US Air big DC 9 or 10 has crashed into the Hudson River, about ... in ... Oh my gosh!"

I believe that was the female reporter from ABC 7 making that call.........

[Matt Molnar]

Pilot's last words to ATC: “We’re going to be in the Hudson.”

NY Times:

Investigators Offer Details of Flight’s Few Minutes (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/nyregion/18plane.html?hp)

By AL BAKER and MATTHEW L. WALD
Published: January 17, 2009

Investigators on Saturday provided a detailed and griping description of the abortive five-minute flight of US Airways 1549 that ended safely in the Hudson River based on transcripts of air traffic controllers and interviews with flight attendants.

In a news conference conducted by Kathryn O. Higgins, a member of National Transportation Safety Board who is investigating Thursday’s incident, she revealed how the pilots knew after they hit a flock of birds 90 seconds into their flight bound for Charlotte, N.C., and lost thrust in both engines that the river might be their last and only option.

She relayed the chilling conversation with air traffic controllers that ended abruptly with the warning of one of the plane’s pilot, “We’re gonna be in the Hudson.”

[snip]

Radar from Kennedy and Newark Airport confirmed that the aircraft had intersected “primary targets” between 2,900 feet and 3,000 feet, Ms. Higgins said, almost certainly birds that were about five miles from LaGuardia Airport. [Full Article (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/nyregion/18plane.html?hp)]
Very interesting details in this article. I'd imagine the transcript will be online somewhere tonight, I'll post when I find it.

[Mellyrose]

(This is me Phil, not Mel typing) Listening to those tapes is very disturbing. Not because of the incident, but because the callers say "A plane went into the Hudson, and the dispatcher replies "What city?" I don't care about jurisdiction, but if you are a 911 dispatcher and you don't know where the Hudson is, then you shouldn't be dealing with emergency situations for a living. Regular people don't know the jurisdictions, and the Hudson is a border between two states. The dispatcher should know who to pass the call to. I feel like precious seconds are lost.

Can some of you EMT/Paramedic, Police, etc., people shed some light on this?

(again, not Mel, but Phil)

[N221UA]

(This is me Phil, not Mel typing) Listening to those tapes is very disturbing. Not because of the incident, but because the callers say "A plane went into the Hudson, and the dispatcher replies "What city?" I don't care about jurisdiction, but if you are a 911 dispatcher and you don't know where the Hudson is, then you shouldn't be dealing with emergency situations for a living. Regular people don't know the jurisdictions, and the Hudson is a border between two states. The dispatcher should know who to pass the call to. I feel like precious seconds are lost.

Can some of you EMT/Paramedic, Police, etc., people shed some light on this?

(again, not Mel, but Phil)

EMT/Police are very different from 911 operators. 911 operators takes call and send it to the respective agency, but I totally agree with you on the call. I sounded very unprofessional and it really needs to be addressed in such life and death situation.

EMT/Police are dispatched by their dispatchers, who get their jobs from 911 operators. If you ever call in for a fire, the 911 operator will transfer you to the FDNY phone number and they take the jobs from there.

[nikon50bigma]

I was out there with Bill and Moose today, great to shot with you guys today! Even though the weather was cr@p (it felt like 10 degrees out) it was worth it.
Here are some shots from today.

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z211/nikon50bigma/_DSC3640.jpg

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I wonder whos camera this is :D

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Who are these guys? lol jk

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I'll be back out there tomorrow to hopefully see it above water.

[flyboy 28]

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[NYCMedic]

In NYC all 911 calls are answered by CROs (Call Receiving Operators) employed by NYPD and are based in 9 Metrotech in Downtown Brooklyn. They are not Police Officers. The NYPD CRO takes some info then routes you to EMS or Fire if it is a call for them. The FDNY EMS CROs are EMTs or Paramedics and are based in 9 Metrotech as well, the FDNY Fire dispatchers are not Firefighters and are based in each borough. The only reason I can think of for the question about what City the caller is in would be beacuse of cell towers. When I worked EMS in South Brooklyn, a lot of cell calls were routed through Staten Island and vice versa. I once wound up at the Homeport in S.I. and was taken by a Coast Guard boat to a container ship that was actually closer to the Brooklyn side by at least 500 yards for a man having seizures onboard. We passed 2 Staten Island Medic units on the way.......

[moose135]

Weren't some of those 911 calls from NJ? While you might think it's safe to assume the caller is talking about New York City, if you were talking to an operator in NJ, it could be Jersey City, Hoboken, Weehawken, etc.

Damn it was cold today! Good to spend the day with Bill and Pat, but it would have been nice to actually see them pull the plane out of the water. Of course, it could have been worse, it could be raining :wink:

[emshighway]

In NYC all 911 calls are answered by CROs (Call Receiving Operators) employed by NYPD and are based in 9 Metrotech in Downtown Brooklyn. They are not Police Officers. The NYPD CRO takes some info then routes you to EMS or Fire if it is a call for them. The FDNY EMS CROs are EMTs or Paramedics and are based in 9 Metrotech as well, the FDNY Fire dispatchers are not Firefighters and are based in each borough. The only reason I can think of for the question about what City the caller is in would be because of cell towers. When I worked EMS in South Brooklyn, a lot of cell calls were routed through Staten Island and vice versa. I once wound up at the Homeport in S.I. and was taken by a Coast Guard boat to a container ship that was actually closer to the Brooklyn side by at least 500 yards for a man having seizures onboard. We passed 2 Staten Island Medic units on the way.......

Sorry to correct you NYCMedic but I worked as both a dispatcher and supervisor in the NYC*EMS Communications Division. The NYPD 911 operators are actually called ACD (Automatic Call Distributer). The EMS Operators are CROs and the Fire are called Fire Alarm Dispatchers (usually they rotate between dispatching and call receiving.

Remember this was on the Hudson so yes the cell 911 call could have been picked up by a cell site on the New Jersey side and the question was to pinpoint the location on the Hudson. While the East side is Manhattan and the Bronx, the New Jersey side could be Englewood, Fort Lee, Edgewood, Fairview, North Bergen, West New York, Union City, Weehawken, Hoboken, or Jersey City.

[njgtr82]

Damn it was cold today! Good to spend the day with Bill and Pat, but it would have been nice to actually see them pull the plane out of the water. Of course, it could have been worse, it could be raining :wink:

My feet are still cold! lol it was good seeing you Moose and nice meeting you Pat, thanks for the coffee.

[NYCMedic]

In NYC all 911 calls are answered by CROs (Call Receiving Operators) employed by NYPD and are based in 9 Metrotech in Downtown Brooklyn. They are not Police Officers. The NYPD CRO takes some info then routes you to EMS or Fire if it is a call for them. The FDNY EMS CROs are EMTs or Paramedics and are based in 9 Metrotech as well, the FDNY Fire dispatchers are not Firefighters and are based in each borough. The only reason I can think of for the question about what City the caller is in would be because of cell towers. When I worked EMS in South Brooklyn, a lot of cell calls were routed through Staten Island and vice versa. I once wound up at the Homeport in S.I. and was taken by a Coast Guard boat to a container ship that was actually closer to the Brooklyn side by at least 500 yards for a man having seizures onboard. We passed 2 Staten Island Medic units on the way.......

Sorry to correct you NYCMedic but I worked as both a dispatcher and supervisor in the NYC*EMS Communications Division. The NYPD 911 operators are actually called ACD (Automatic Call Distributer). The EMS Operators are CROs and the Fire are called Fire Alarm Dispatchers (usually they rotate between dispatching and call receiving.

Remember this was on the Hudson so yes the cell 911 call could have been picked up by a cell site on the New Jersey side and the question was to pinpoint the location on the Hudson. While the East side is Manhattan and the Bronx, the New Jersey side could be Englewood, Fort Lee, Edgewood, Fairview, North Bergen, West New York, Union City, Weehawken, Hoboken, or Jersey City.

We're both incorrect...... My friend's wife is an supervisor (Sergeant) at 9 Metro and she said the official "PC" term is Police Communications Technician, and they are cross trained to operate as call receivers,dispatchers, and clerical workers. She wasn't able to answer my other question but I am sure you will know. Where was PD Dispatch prior to Metrotech?

[emshighway]

In NYC all 911 calls are answered by CROs (Call Receiving Operators) employed by NYPD and are based in 9 Metrotech in Downtown Brooklyn. They are not Police Officers. The NYPD CRO takes some info then routes you to EMS or Fire if it is a call for them. The FDNY EMS CROs are EMTs or Paramedics and are based in 9 Metrotech as well, the FDNY Fire dispatchers are not Firefighters and are based in each borough. The only reason I can think of for the question about what City the caller is in would be because of cell towers. When I worked EMS in South Brooklyn, a lot of cell calls were routed through Staten Island and vice versa. I once wound up at the Homeport in S.I. and was taken by a Coast Guard boat to a container ship that was actually closer to the Brooklyn side by at least 500 yards for a man having seizures onboard. We passed 2 Staten Island Medic units on the way.......

Sorry to correct you NYCMedic but I worked as both a dispatcher and supervisor in the NYC*EMS Communications Division. The NYPD 911 operators are actually called ACD (Automatic Call Distributer). The EMS Operators are CROs and the Fire are called Fire Alarm Dispatchers (usually they rotate between dispatching and call receiving.

Remember this was on the Hudson so yes the cell 911 call could have been picked up by a cell site on the New Jersey side and the question was to pinpoint the location on the Hudson. While the East side is Manhattan and the Bronx, the New Jersey side could be Englewood, Fort Lee, Edgewood, Fairview, North Bergen, West New York, Union City, Weehawken, Hoboken, or Jersey City.

We're both incorrect...... My friend's wife is an supervisor (Sergeant) at 9 Metro and she said the official "PC" term is Police Communications Technician, and they are cross trained to operate as call receivers,dispatchers, and clerical workers. She wasn't able to answer my other question but I am sure you will know. Where was PD Dispatch prior to Metrotech?

Remember, I'm an old fart so back in the 80's and early 90's they were ACDs. Guess their union liked PCT better. PD dispatch was previously in 11 MetroTech and before that was One Police Plaza.

[Delta777LR]

Heres mine!! From the scene

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[PhilDernerJr]

Anyone know the plane's destination?

[G-BOAD]

Anyone know the plane's destination?

I think we can go euro style and ship it down the river to Philly. Even if the plane itself won't fly anymore, i'm sure it can still be used by US airways for parts; while the NTSB conducts their investigation.

what i mean by euro style:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-Fran ... 0388079/L/ (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Air-France/Aerospatiale-BAC-Concorde-101/0388079/L/)
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=396126

[mmedford]

Anyone know the plane's destination?

Well Friday I heard marine terminal @ LGA because of the ramp...

But that doesn't rule out JFK (hangar space), Floyd Bennett (again open space with the ability to get a large crane without affecting airport ops) or even Jersey.

who really knows?

[Matt Molnar]

Floyd Bennett is my first guess, followed by JFK. Not sure there's any room for it at LGA, and I don't think NTSB would want to move it as far as PHL and risk further damage during transport.

I also don't think US would risk reusing any parts at this point, having been waterlogged and now partially frozen.

[njgtr82]

Anyone know the plane's destination?
Foxnews tonight said a "secure location in NJ". My guess is somewhere in Bayonne then

[Gerard]

>I was out there with Bill and Moose today, great to shot with you guys today! Even though the weather was cr@p (it felt like 10 degrees out) it was worth it.

Great job under trying conditions. As of 11PM tonite crews are still working to lift the aircraft out. And reportedly it will be taken
to NJ for investigation.
Covering this and waiting must have been frustrating. At 9:25 tonite I heard Chopper 12 telling FRG they were cancelled by their
assignment desk and were heading back in. The pilot told tower they had been back and forth all day from 9AM into Manhattan.
And from pictures it sure looks like a media circus down there.

[NYCMedic]

I'm going to guess Floyd Bennett..... Unless they place the A/C on the barge in just the right position and time the tide correctly it will not fit through the A-Train trestle in Jamaica bay

[Matt Molnar]

I'm going to guess Floyd Bennett..... Unless they place the A/C on the barge in just the right position and time the tide correctly it will not fit through the A-Train trestle in Jamaica bay
Isn't that a drawbridge?

[Matt Molnar]

She's out!

http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/us-1549-lifted-011809.jpg

Story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/nyreg ... ml?_r=1&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/nyregion/18plane.html?_r=1&hp)

[Matt Molnar]

More photos of the lift: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Pl ... udson.html (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Plane_Crash_in_the_Hudson.html)

New! Photos shot by a passenger after getting rescued: http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-183399? ... 2Fnewsiest (http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-183399?ref=feeds%2Fnewsiest)

[PHL Approach]

I can only speak for the 757 and 767, which do in fact have a ditch switch.


Who operates 757s and 767s with a "Ditch Switch?"

Sorry for bringing this back up.

No one has a switch that can close all panels other than Airbus. Boeing never made a Ditch Button for the 75s/76s. You pretty much have to manually turn off all inlets. But on 757's/767's they do not have external PACK or CAB ALT "covers" that can close. So I guess they close up internally. I know on Airbus a/c they have a cover for every inlet obviously since the Ditching button controls them all.

This is the procedure for Ditching a Boeing. You can see you have to turn off all inlets manually.

For a 757/767

1. Distress Signal............................................ ...............................................Tra nsmit
“Mayday, Mayday, Mayday”
Transmit present position, altitude, heading, speed, type of aircraft, situation
and intentions. Estimate time and position of intended touchdown, and
request intercept.
2. Transponder .................................................. .................................. Set code 7700
3. Considerations:
• Plan Flaps 30 unless another configuration is required
• Conditions permitting, burn off fuel to reduce touchdown speed and increase
buoyancy
4. Advise flight attendants and passengers to prepare for ditching. Seat passengers
as far forward as possible.
Below 5000 feet:
5. GND PROX/CONFIG GEAR OVRD Switch ................................................. OVRD
6. PACK Control Selectors (both)............................................ ............................ OFF
7. CABIN ALTITUDE MODE SELECT .................................................. ..............MAN
8. CABIN ALTITUDE MANUAL CONTROL Selector ................................DESCEND
[Positions outflow valve fully closed.]
9. SEAT BELT/NO SMOKING........................................... ....................................ON
10. Life Vests, Shoulder Harnesses & Seat Belts .................................................. .ON
11. Considerations:
• Plan touchdown upwind side & parallel to waves and swells
12. Review after-ditching actions:
• Initiate evacuation
• Proceed to primary ditching stations (captain 1L, first officer 1R), launch rafts
and evacuate the airplane as soon as practical
• Ensure Emergency Locator Transmitter onboard slide/raft
13. Passenger Cabin .................................................. ..................................... Secured
14. Final Position .................................................. ...........................................Transmi t
[Transmit all pertinent information regarding final ditching position.]
Final Approach (Omit Landing Checklist):
15. Landing Gear Lever (do not extend)........................................... ........................UP
16. Flaps............................................. ......Verify .................................................. .....30
17. Just prior to touchdown (30 secs)............................................. ........ Advise on PA,
“Brace For Impact”
18. Maintain airspeed at VREF 30 to touchdown.
19. Flare airplane to achieve minimum rate of descent at touchdown.
Do not stall the airplane.
20. Ditching Preparation Checklist complete.

For a 737

1. Distress Signal......................................Transm it “MAYDAY, MAYDAY, MAYDAY”
Transmit present position, flight level, heading, speed, type of aircraft,
situation, souls on board, estimated time and position of intended touchdown,
and request intercept.
2. Transponder .................................................. .................................. Set code 7700
3. Considerations:
• Burn off fuel to reduce touchdown speed and increase buoyancy.
• Plan flaps 40 landing unless another configuration is required.
4. Flight Attendants .................................................. ........................................... Brief
Seat passengers as far forward as possible.
[Brief flight attendants on emergency landing in time for cabin preparation.
Advise that the “Brace For Impact” signal will occur over the PA approximately
30 seconds before touchdown.]
Caution
Ensure Aft Doors are not opened unless absolutely necessary, as
they may be partially submerged.
5. Cockpit........................................... .................................................. ...........Prepare
Strap down all loose articles. Don life vests at the earliest opportunity, do not
inflate inside aircraft. Remove uniform ties and any sharp objects from pockets.
6. Ditching Checklist complete

Ditching Descent Approach Checklist
1. Altimeters ........................................... Verify......................... __.__/or transition FL
2. Bugs.............................................. ..... Verify............................ Set (VREF as req’d)
When below 5,000 feet
3. Aural Warning circuit breaker (P6 panel) .................................................. ........ Pull
[Prevents warning horn with gear retracted and landing flaps selected.]
4. Seat Belt/No Smoking........................................... .............................................ON
5. Engine BLEED Switches.......................................... ........................................OFF
[Permits depressurizing the airplane with outflow valve closed.]
6. Pressurization Mode Selector .................................................. .................MAN DC
7. Outflow Valve Switch .................................................. ................................CLOSE
[The outflow valve takes up to 20 seconds to close. Prevents water from
entering the airplane.]
8. APU Switch .................................................. .................................................. ..OFF
9. GROUND PROXIMITY .................................................. .......GEAR/FLAP INHIBIT
10. GPWS OVRD/FAIL Switch............................................ ............. OVERRIDE
GROUND PROXIMITY .................................................. ......TERR INHIBIT
11. Life Vests, Shoulder Harnesses, & Seat Belts .................................................. . On
12. Passenger Cabin Preparation....................................... ................Check Complete
[Ensure passenger cabin preparations are complete. Seat passengers with life
vests on and seat belts fastened.]
13. Final Position .................................................. .......................................... Transmit
[Transmit all pertinent information regarding final ditching position.]
14. Landing considerations:
• Plan touchdown on upwind side & parallel to waves and swells.
• Maintain VREF and 200-300 fpm sink rate to flare.
• At flare, rotate smoothly to touchdown attitude (10°-12°), maintain speed
and minimum rate of descent with thrust.
• At touchdown, reduce thrust to idle.
15. After impact considerations:
• Start Levers to CUTOFF.
[Closes fuel shutoff valves to prevent discharge of fuel from ruptured
fuel lines.]
• Open cockpit windows to ensure no residual cabin differential pressure
prevents opening doors or emergency exits.
• Engine and APU Fire Shutoff Handles override, pull and rotate.
• Initiate evacuation.
• Proceed to primary ditching stations (captain 1L, F/O 1R), launch rafts and
evacuate the airplane as soon as practical.
[The airplane may remain afloat indefinitely if fuel load is minimal and
no serious damage was sustained during landing.]
16. “Ditching Descent Approach Checklist” complete.
Ditching Landing Checklist
1. LANDING GEAR (Do Not Extend) ..... Verify............................................ ..UP/OFF
2. FLAPS............................................. ... Verify............................ _____, Green Light
3. “Ditching Landing Checklist” complete, and
? Just prior to touchdown (30 sec) advise on PA ”Brace for impact”.

[Matt Molnar]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3097/3199968345_100382d6fe_o.jpg
http://flickr.com/photos/lazlokovacs/3199968345/

[PhilDernerJr]

The pilots reported that they never even used the ditch switch.

Water was only in the cabin because a passenger opened a door open a little bit that she wasn't supposed to.

[nikon50bigma]

She's out!

http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/us-1549-lifted-011809.jpg

Story here: http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/nyreg ... ml?_r=1&hp (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/18/nyregion/18plane.html?_r=1&hp)

Unbelievable... all there yesterday. And they decide to do it as I'm packing my gear for Sunday lol.

[Planesntrains]

Anyone know the plane's destination?
Foxnews tonight said a "secure location in NJ". My guess is somewhere in Bayonne then

Yeah, it's looking like the old Bayonne Naval Terminal.

[LGA777]

We have all heard so much about Sully, but here is a little bit about the F/O Jeff.

http://www.nypost.com/seven/01172009/ne ... 150583.htm (http://www.nypost.com/seven/01172009/news/regionalnews/selfless_co_pilot_spreads_warmth_150583.htm)

I read on another site the crew was on their last leg of a 4 day trip, and they had flown PIT-CLT-LGA and then 1549 to CLT. Ship 106 started her day in chiily MSP, flying MSP-CLT-LGA before operating 1549 to CLT.

Regards

LGA777

[Corey]

So clearly one of the engines stayed on, is the other side gone?

Corey

[PhilDernerJr]

Did anyone know G-BOAD making an appearance it ehbackground of the USCG video?

[moose135]

Did anyone know G-BOAD making an appearance it ehbackground of the USCG video?
Yeah, I saw that. In fact on A.net someone asked "Am I seeing things, or was there a Concorde on that video?" I reminded him we have things like that in NYC. :wink:

[LGA777]

They have released the NYFD dispatch tapes, warning it's almost a 24 min recording.

http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSiteId=a ... itrate=300 (http://www.nypost.com/video/?vxSiteId=a89dc16f-1771-485a-8c76-3ebbf3072361&vxChannel=PostUs&vxClipId=1458_448479&vxBitrate=300)

Regards

LGA777

[Gerard]

>They have released the NYFD dispatch tapes, warning it's almost a 24 min recording.<

Pretty intense stuff especially when the job is confirmed and they declare a "10-60" Major Incident. You can imagine what
is going through the minds of all the first responders upon hearing of a commercial jetliner in the water. I thought the
Manhattan FD dispatcher did a very good job and you can also hear the Bronx dispatcher in the background also receiving
calls.

[emshighway]

The Aircraft will be going to Weeks Marine on Linden Ave in Jersey City. Other recoveries have been brought there. From there would be anyone's guess.

[njgtr82]

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3441/3207076765_58d44b8f07_o.jpg

[moose135]

You beat me to it Bill! Wow, what a difference a day makes, it was almost toasty warm today compared to Saturday! I was disappointed that they lifted the jet last night after we waited all day, but when I heard it was still at Battery Park City, I had to take a run in.

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/457180357_rEP3u-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/457181411_f63qo-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/457181599_UpE6y-L.jpg

That's not you, is it, Ron?
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/457180867_DiCeg-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/457180001_p94vH-L.jpg

And on JP.net:
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=6465555

[Planesntrains]

So clearly one of the engines stayed on, is the other side gone?

Corey

Yes. Apparently broke off on impact. They found it last night I think, using sonar. It was in the drink basically where N106US came to rest.

[Matt Molnar]

I hung out down there for awhile today hoping to see them move it but I gave up after a couple hours...1010WINS now says the barge is finally on the move. Oh well.

Here are some shots I got. So many trucks, trees and people in the way, I only had my short lens.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3423/3208472452_2db78afa8f_o.jpg

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3299/3207624325_f88b2dc80f_o.jpg

Bonus! Some other vehicles you don't normally find on the river: about 40 recently retired subway cars on their way to being reefed on the bottom of the Atlantic.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3392/3208472210_de7a6bc783_o.jpg

[Matt Molnar]

Sunday evening update:

* The barge carrying the plane has completed its journey across the river to Jersey City.
* NYPD believes it has located the missing left engine via sonar, but will not send divers down there to verify until Tuesday due to the ice in the river.
* Capt. Sullenberger will not appear on the Today show Monday morning as originally planned after being asked by the pilot's union to wait.
* There is word that Capt. Sullenberger and his family have been invited to the inauguration on Tuesday.

[Alessio]

Floyd Bennett is my first guess, followed by JFK. Not sure there's any room for it at LGA, and I don't think NTSB would want to move it as far as PHL and risk further damage during transport.

I also don't think US would risk reusing any parts at this point, having been waterlogged and now partially frozen.
I think Airbus wants it for long term examination and to avoid parts being used.

[nikon50bigma]

The place where it is being kept in NJ, is there any public places to see it? Or did they get it into a hanger or something like that already?

[T-Bird76]

Floyd Bennett is my first guess, followed by JFK. Not sure there's any room for it at LGA, and I don't think NTSB would want to move it as far as PHL and risk further damage during transport.

I also don't think US would risk reusing any parts at this point, having been waterlogged and now partially frozen.
I think Airbus wants it for long term examination and to avoid parts being used.

It’s not up to Airbus. Once the insurance company determines the damages, and I'm sure it’s a total loss as salt water has a habit of destroying anything it touches, the insurance company will own the plane. After that what happens to it is anyone’s guess. I'm sure if Airbus wants the plane something will be worked out.

Have any lawsuits been filed yet? You know someone out of the 150 ppl on board will try to get something from US or whoever they can squeeze a dime out of.

[mmedford]

Floyd Bennett is my first guess, followed by JFK. Not sure there's any room for it at LGA, and I don't think NTSB would want to move it as far as PHL and risk further damage during transport.

I also don't think US would risk reusing any parts at this point, having been waterlogged and now partially frozen.
I think Airbus wants it for long term examination and to avoid parts being used.

It’s not up to Airbus. Once the insurance company determines the damages, and I'm sure it’s a total loss as salt water has a habit of destroying anything it touches, the insurance company will own the plane. After that what happens to it is anyone’s guess. I'm sure if Airbus wants the plane something will be worked out.

Have any lawsuits been filed yet? You know someone out of the 150 ppl on board will try to get something from US or whoever they can squeeze a dime out of.

Well the first real day of business since that accident and figure a day to be relieved...isn't until Tuesday.

So I wouldn't say that quite yet...

I see Airbus getting sued for not building an aircraft that can float. I see IAE getting sued for not having engines capable of supporting injesting a 200lb dog and I see the states of NY and NJ named for not having marine terminals operational.

Being grateful for life only lasts so long...

[Derf]

They should sue Canada... a squadron of their geese flew into restricted airspace and did not file a flight plan.....Or maybe U.S. Air should give every passenger a Duck Dinner....think how one of those broken engines could be made into a roitissory with little effort! :borat: Just think, they would get a first class meal yet only paid for coach.

[Planesntrains]

Perhaps even a free goose hunt in Ontario?? :lol:

All jokes aside though, I really hope nobody sues. I mean, I know that's like asking lead to float (no pun intended), but they all did live! I agree with whoever it was who said that if any money is gained from legal action against either U.S. Airways or Airbus, it should all be put into a college fund for the crew's families. I mean...c'mon...they did kind of earn it on this one!

[h2opunk1822]

I think the TSA/Customs should be to blame for this incident.. Everyone is saying Canadian geese... but did anyone think to check their passports??

[Planesntrains]

Listening to EWR Tower with the conditions getting fun outside. Found it twistedly amusing that today he's making a point to emphasize every bird report a bit more urgently than the previous norm. COA505 asked if they were Canadian Geese. No response from the tower... :D

Also for the techies, I pulled this info about 1549/N106US's engines off the U.S. Airways site...

Engines: CFM56-5B4/P

Engine 1 (left)
Installation date: Jan. 15, 2008
Total flight hours: 19,182.10

Engine 2 (right)
Installation date: May 28, 2006
Total flight hours: 26,466.08

So...if this is correct. The left engine, the one that broke away, was installed one year to the day of the crash. Kinda freaky coincidence.

[emshighway]

Listening to EWR Tower with the conditions getting fun outside. Found it twistedly amusing that today he's making a point to emphasize every bird report a bit more urgently than the previous norm. COA505 asked if they were Canadian Geese. No response from the tower... :D

Also for the techies, I pulled this info about 1549/N106US's engines off the U.S. Airways site...

Engines: CFM56-5B4/P

Engine 1 (left)
Installation date: Jan. 15, 2008
Total flight hours: 19,182.10

Engine 2 (right)
Installation date: May 28, 2006
Total flight hours: 26,466.08

So...if this is correct. The left engine, the one that broke away, was installed one year to the day of the crash. Kinda freaky coincidence.

So it's still under warranty?

[emshighway]

I think the TSA/Customs should be to blame for this incident.. Everyone is saying Canadian geese... but did anyone think to check their passports??

Hey, Hey, they went on all the proper papers... :shock:

[PhilDernerJr]

INSURANCE JOB!! haha

[emshighway]

So what are they going to call LGA's third Runway?

Hudson Right?

[AA 777]

Looks like some additional footage has surfaced regarding the cause of the crash...WOW

NyTAMsEEITg

[njgtr82]

Listening to EWR Tower with the conditions getting fun outside. Found it twistedly amusing that today he's making a point to emphasize every bird report a bit more urgently than the previous norm.

This is always to be done anytime theres a specific report of birds for at least 15 mins or until It was this way before this even happened. Bird strikes happen pretty often and the FAA keeps track of every time it happens. Here's what happened to a Continental 737 engine last year when it hit a flock of birds on take off. http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5952327


COA505 asked if they were Canadian Geese. No response from the tower... :D

I don't remember anyone asking me that, because they were seagulls at or below 100 feet

[Planesntrains]

Haha. Nice to put some identity to the voice Bill. :)

[Matt Molnar]

Forgot about this one...guessing this van doesn't get to visit Manhattan all too often.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3393/3212407704_96d0579be6_o.jpg

Sidenote: are there any vans in new colors? :)

[Matt Molnar]

WOW.

An anetter happens to live in a high rise apartment on River Terrace right across the street from the spot where the plane was tied up and he filmed just about every second the plane was there, and posted the vids online as time lapse footage. Pretty amazing.

http://www.kontain.com/david/#entries/entry/11659

[StealthZ]

Great coverage guys.
Comments and photos added background that was otherwise impossible for those of us in the antipodes to get.

Thanks to all that braved the weather (and autorities)

Cheers

Chris

[Derf]

WOW.

An anetter happens to live in a high rise apartment on River Terrace right across the street from the spot where the plane was tied up and he filmed just about every second the plane was there, and posted the vids online as time lapse footage. Pretty amazing.

http://www.kontain.com/david/#entries/entry/11659

WOW Amazing Videos and Photos! He Just pulled every photo of his from Anet due to issues he had with the forums. His
comments below explain his issue with them. He has some amazing stuff there. I would love to see all his still. The shots I
have seen look great.

[Matt Molnar]

Tuesday update:

* US Airways has mailed a $5,000 check to each passenger to compensate for lost belongings.
* NYPD continues to search for the left engine and has brought in a sonar expert from the NOAA to assist.
* They have not found the engine, but they have found 35 flotation seat cushions, 12 life jackets, 15 pieces of luggage, two briefcases, 11 purses, 15 suit jackets and shirts, four shoes and two hats

[Midnight Mike]

Here is the experience levels of the other crew members. Remember the pilot has 19 to 20K hours.

The huge total flight experience among the crew contributed to the successful outcome :


First Officer Jeffrey B. Skiles, joined US Airways (USAir) in 1986. He has a total of 15,643 flight hours and previously flew as Captain with US Airways.
Flight Attendant Sheila Dail joined US Airways (Piedmont Airlines) in 1980 and has more than 28 years experience with the airline.
Flight Attendant Doreen Welsh joined US Airways (Allegheny Airlines) in 1970 and has more than 38 years experience with the airline.
Flight Attendant Donna Dent joined US Airways (Piedmont Airlines) in 1982 and has more than 26 years experience with the airline.
NTSB PRESS CONFERENCES:

Onboard was one lap child and one toddler.

Since the weight of the airplane full of water was approximately 1 million pounds, it needed to be lifted very gradually to let water drain from the aircraft.
Water depth at impact was 50-55 feet.

A correction to prior information, the right engine is still attached; still looking for the left engine.

ATC communications were read out loud: of particular interest to us was the crew stating, "Cactus 1549 hit birds - lost thrust both engines – turning back to LGA"

TEB airport was discussed, pilots stated, "...we can't do it..."

Two Flight Attendants were interviewed. They reported hearing loud thuds/thumps and all engine noise ceased, aircraft sounded, "...like a library..."

Captain announced, "brace for impact;" F/A's yelled, "Brace, Brace, Brace"

Left front slide required manual inflation.

Front exit door, 2'-3' was above water line.

Although the rear emergency exit door was partially beneath the water. One of the passengers attempted to open it. An alert, experienced flight attendant prevented him from opening the door.

Captain returned to aircraft twice to check for passengers. Captain and each of the crew members were the last to leave the aircraft.
A later press conference :

3rd F/A has been released from hospital. Her account : "loud thunk, electrical smell." Tail section experienced a harder landing than further forward. 3rd F/A had no broken bones, but deep lacerations.

Captain, 3800 hrs in A-320

First Officer, 35 hours in an A-320

First Officer was initial PF

First Officer stated he saw birds 3-5000' off to his right

Captain looked up & said the windscreen was filled w/big dark brown birds. Said his reaction was to duck

Captain smelled burning birds

Loss of thrust, Captain, "my aircraft". First Officer, "your aircraft". Captain lowered nose because speed had decreased

Captain said power loss was symmetrical

Captain took over as PF & called for the Dual Engine failure check list

Captain said initial plan was to return to LGA. He said he was too slow & too low, it was too populated. Teterboro was too far, populated and would be catastrophic if he didn't make it. As stated in earlier brief, he stated, "going to be in the Hudson".
Captain focused on flying
First Officer focused on checklist & re-starting the engines

This checklist was designed to run at FL350

Captain called for flaps 2

Captain made the "brace" call over the P/A

Captain said he had been trained to ditch near a vessel if able, so he tried to land close to a boat

The aircraft lost electrical once in the water

Captain called for Evacuation, F/A's had already initiated it

Captain stated that, " he could not be more happy that he got everyone off ."

Questioning session :

First Officer saw the birds, noted to himself that they were flying in a line

Emergency Ditching P/B was not activated to shut down various systems. Because its activation was down the checklist on page 3 ; before striking the water they didn't have time to get to page 3.

First Officer, while low time in AB, but typed in other aircraft, glass cockpit, had been a Captain before, IOE was completed.

Captain estimated the aircraft struck the birds between 220 & 250kts

How did F/A get lacerations? Doesn't know. Initialy, she didn't realize she was hurt. After she sending the passengers up the aisle, she felt the pain and noticed that she was bleeding.

[LGA777]

Here is a link with a little more detail about the checks to each passenger, which also included a refund of their entire airfare.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/01/20/us ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2009/TRAVEL/01/20/usairways.passengers/index.html)

And BTW re the US van a few photos up there are none in the new livery, most ground equipment is plain white with a new usairways wordmark. The last time I drove that van was to see the AA DC-3 in their hangar a few months ago BTW.

LGA777

[LGA777]

Here is a brief note from Capt Sullenberger, who BTW CNN did show leaving the platform today at the Inauguration, quite a deserved honor IMO.

A MESSAGE FROM CAPTAIN SULLY SULLENBERGER

The following is a personal message from Flight 1549 Captain,
Sully Sullenberger. I have been asked to relay his letter to our
Flight Attendants. On behalf of AFA-CWA, we want to extend our
appreciation to Captain Sullenberger and First Officer Jeff
Skiles.

To My Fellow Pilots,

I am truly humbled and honored that, for an unknown purpose, the
crewmembers of Flight 1549 and I have been chosen by fate to
represent the professional airline employees of US Airways. I do
not take this honor lightly and, as future events unfold, I
pledge to do my utmost to live up to your expectations.

Many factors influenced the outcome of Flight 1549. I am certain
that the positive result is due to the crew effort - without
Jeff, Donna, Doreen and Sheila, we would not have been
successful at saving so many lives. In addition, all who were
involved in removing the passengers and crew from the Hudson's
icy waters will always have my deepest appreciation.20

As pilots and as union members, we are part of a brotherhood. I
want to thank USAPA and all of its committee members who
protected me and my crew during this trying time. We also thank
you, our fellow pilots, for your generous show of support.

Sincerely,

Sully Sullenberger


"Thanks Sully and crew"

LGA777

[Mellyrose]

Has anyone heard about this? Did I miss it somewhere else? http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/

[Gerard]

Has anyone heard about this? Did I miss it somewhere else? http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/19/hudson.plane.folo/

LOL yes you did. Shame on you not seeing the thread about this. I wrote about it last night in this thread but the "powers-to-be" made it into a new thread,
:shock: :)

[PhilDernerJr]

Fail, Mel. :p

[Derf]

Airbus just received this warning letter in the mail today
http://www.demotivateus.com/posters/ducks-theyll-gang-rape-your-ass-demotivational-poster.jpg

[T-Bird76]

Looks like this may be an act of terror after all. This photo has surfaced and was reported to have been taken just before the incident. Looks like an act of Suicide Geese. The evil doers know no boundaries.

http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/CGA.jpg

[mirrodie]

LL just got hat this AM too. Too funny. THanks for posting Tom.

[Ari707]

The geese had the right-a-way they were honking...

[cancidas]

The geese had the right-a-way they were honking...
not true. the geese are more manueverable than an A320, and according to FAR part 91 a more-maneuverable aircraft must give right-of-way to a less maneuverable aircraft. since the geese can turn on a dime they should have given way to my A320. you'll all see, the NTSB will sight pilot (goose) error and blame canada for this accident.



:borat:

[Derf]

It is now being reported that the ducks had been given a life alert flight number and were bringing an Aflack Bill. There were no comments from the tower if they were squawking as requested. A Fetheral investigation will take 1 year as we have to wait for the next winter migration to interview other witnesses. :borat:

[mmedford]

It is now being reported that the ducks had been given a life alert flight number and were bringing an Aflack Bill. There were no comments from the tower if they were squawking as requested. A Fetheral investigation will take 1 year as we have to wait for the next winter migration to interview other witnesses. :borat:

That's just classic...lol

[njgtr82]

I made one more trip down to Jersey City sice the weather was nice. Thanks to Jakub for the help finding the place.
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3406/3216581498_1013b01806_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3426/3216581234_35147b7fe0_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3299/3215728429_9a7567dae9_o.jpg

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3410/3216581602_618fe33391_o.jpg

Bill

[Matt Molnar]

Awesome shots, Bill. You can really see the damage the birds did.

[Matt Molnar]

Wednesday update:

* NYPD divers have located the missing left engine at the bottom of the Hudson. An Army Corps of Engineers ship with a 20-ton crane will lift the engine, possibly tomorrow, depending on ice conditions in the river.

* NTSB reported finding "organic material" and a feather in the right engine. A sample of what are likely bird guts will be sent to the Dept. of Agriculture for DNA analysis, while the feather has been sent to the Smithsonian for identification.

[emshighway]

One Police Plaza
The NYPD Rescue: The Best and the Missing
By: Leonard Levitt – Monday, January 19th, 2009 ‘NYPD Confidential.Com’
(Op/Ed - Commentary)


The world saw the NYPD at its best last week, when two police divers were lowered from an unmarked Bell 412EP police helicopter into the frigid waters of the Hudson River to save passengers from US Air Flight 1549.

What the world didn’t realize was that both the NYPD’s $12 million rescue helicopters — and, sources said, at least one of its four patrol helicopters — were out of service. The department’s Aviation Unit has seven helicopters in all.

That is why the unmarked Bell 412 was pressed into duty. That’s the super-secret, counter-terrorism-fighting, surveillance helicopter with no markings that Police Commissioner Ray Kelly has trumpeted as the department’s aerial answer to the next 9/ll.

How secret the helicopter will be now that it has been shown on virtually every news organization in the country remains uncertain.

Maintenance problems and poor management have plagued the Aviation Unit over the past few years.

In April 2006, this column reported on the relationship between the unit’s commanding officer, Inspector Joseph Gallucci, and his private flight instructor, Mario Bernardini, whose company bought three NYPD helicopters in a bizarre swap that resulted in the NYPD’s purchase of four newer helicopters that were soon grounded with maintenance problems.

Gallucci is no longer with the unit. Maintenance responsibility now lies with the head of the Special Operations Division Assistant Chief Charles Kammerdener.

Kammerdener was to have replaced Assistant Chief John Colgan in the Counter Terrorism unit following Colgan’s retirement last year. He’s still at SOD.

[Matt Molnar]

I noticed that chopper in some photos...didn't realize they were using it for rescue, thought they were just observing the scene...wow.

How secret the helicopter will be now that it has been shown on virtually every news organization in the country remains uncertain.
It's not much of a secret anyway. Anyone who has seen that chopper and all the cameras, sensors and antennae stuck to the belly and roof would know it's not Chuck Dolan commuting to work. Sort of like an unmarked Crown Vic police car...nothing on it says POLICE, but everyone knows it's a police car.

[mmedford]

I noticed that chopper in some photos...didn't realize they were using it for rescue, thought they were just observing the scene...wow.

How secret the helicopter will be now that it has been shown on virtually every news organization in the country remains uncertain.
It's not much of a secret anyway. Anyone who has seen that chopper and all the cameras, sensors and antennae stuck to the belly and roof would know it's not Chuck Dolan commuting to work. Sort of like an unmarked Crown Vic police car...nothing on it says POLICE, but everyone knows it's a police car.

You know I hate that about the unmarked nypd cars... they stick out like sore thumbs...

Now Nassau County does it right, i've seen them use a yellow cab as an unmarked...

[h2opunk1822]

Ive also seen the NCPD use minivans, an old school red Oldsmobile thats been beat to hell, and a 98 black mustang, that will line up next to you if you and try to catch you in a race.

[cancidas]

unmarked Bell 412EP police helicopter
that's N23FH, for "Fallen Heroes," and it's one kick-ass bird. i've seen it up close bit never been allowed to even touch it. tom turner has a shot of it here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/11606523@N06/1174917959/sizes/o/.

[Gerard]

>What the world didn’t realize was that both the NYPD’s $12 million rescue helicopters — and, sources said, at least one of its four patrol helicopters — were out of service. The department’s Aviation Unit has seven helicopters in all.<

It is also possible that the two 412s (#12 and #14) were just down for routine scheduled maintenance when this accident happened.
Plus there is TONS of helo mutual aid in the tri-state area with NY & NJ State Police, Nassau & Suffolk PDs, PAPD, USCG and 106th Air Rescue and most of the ships are equipped with rescue hoists.
I wonder who the "sources" are? :?

>Maintenance problems and poor management have plagued the Aviation Unit over the past few years.

Thats interesting, I did not know that. NYPD AU were always the top dogs in LE Aviation throughout the country.

>In April 2006, this column reported on the relationship between the unit’s commanding officer, Inspector Joseph Gallucci, and his private flight instructor, Mario Bernardini, whose company bought three NYPD helicopters in a bizarre swap that resulted in the NYPD’s purchase of four newer helicopters that were soon grounded with maintenance problems. <

Now THAT is real interesting. I wondered where the Bells went. And were ALL the Agustas grounded by maintenance problems at
the same time? THAT sounds a little off.

[njgtr82]

This helo is out flying all the time. But instead of the PD callsign it uses its "N" #. It also uses discrete NYPD beacon codes.

[Gerard]

This helo is out flying all the time. But instead of the PD callsign it uses its "N" #. It also uses discrete NYPD beacon codes.

Yeah, when they are talking to ATC they use the "Two Three Foxtrot Hotel" callsign but on PD radio,especially the SOD frequency they
ID themselves as "Aviation 23". And if you look up the N # the listing of owner is "Montero Inc" on 86 Street in Brooklyn. :?
BTw, love Google - http://www.nypdconfidential.com/columns ... 60417.html (http://www.nypdconfidential.com/columns/2006/060417.html)

[PhilDernerJr]

There was footage on the news of the divers actually jumping out of the chopper. It was a front view and from a distance, so I couldn't ID it as anything.

[Matt Molnar]

BBC pretends to be Capt. Sully in MS Flight Sim:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7834499.stm

[pgengler]

You know I hate that about the unmarked nypd cars... they stick out like sore thumbs...

Now Nassau County does it right, i've seen them use a yellow cab as an unmarked...

I saw a yellow cab with the red/blue police light in the window speeding down 34th Street once.

[moose135]

I got Bill to spill the beans on where in Jersey City N106US is, so I took a ride over this afternoon. They had her turned around facing the opposite direction from when Bill saw her.

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/459807719_JhUVk-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/459808874_9xvki-L.jpg

You can see the damage to the lower fuselage where it hit the water:
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/459810363_FZxAD-L.jpg

NYPD was just departing when I got there.
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/459810622_cWthv-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/459809336_cN6SP-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/459807094_rJQot-L.jpg

After taking a bunch of shots, I made a stop for lunch, then headed back over for one last look. To my horror, I discovered that in the hour that I was away, they removed the right side engine, placing it down near the nose.
http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/459809853_33HrM-L.jpg

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/459820184_AUheg-L.jpg

[emshighway]

Someone sent me these shots. Don't know who took them but from the location it appears some to be from the crane.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02616.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02616.jpg)
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[Delta777LR]

Can someone tell me How I can get to where the plane is in Jersey City by Public Transportation? I love to get some shots of it there.

[LGA777]

Another round of great shots Moose, thanks for another trip to Jersey to share these images with the rest of us. And emshighway those shots are amazing, I especially like the nose on shot of the A-320 from the crane, very unique perspective.

It appears both Flight 1549

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USAirways_flight_1549

and Captain Sullenberger have new very detailed Wiki pages,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sullenberger

there is even a photo of Sully and his FO Jeff at the inuaguration.

Seperately I understand when Sully arrived in DCA he recieved a standing ovation from EVERYONE on the concourse. When he returns to the line we hope to do something very special on his first trip thru LGA.

Regards

LGA777

[emshighway]

.

Seperately I understand when Sully arrived in DCA he recieved a standing ovation from EVERYONE on the concourse. When he returns to the line we hope to do something very special on his first trip thru LGA.

Regards

LGA777

Please let me know, I would like to be there.

[mirrodie]

HOly Mooose!!! That is great!

[mirrodie]

Cool, Sullenberger and our son have the same bday.

[NYCMedic]

Someone sent me these shots. Don't know who took them but from the location it appears some to be from the crane.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02616.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02616.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02622.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02622.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02623.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02623.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02624.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02624.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02641.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02641.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02643.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02643.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02646.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02646.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02649.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02649.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02653.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02653.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02659.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02659.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02662.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02662.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02670.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02670.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02674.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02674.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02678.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02678.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02683.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02683.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02688.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02688.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02690.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02690.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02692.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02692.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02696.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02696.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02699.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02699.jpg)

Someone sent me the same shots, they do appear to be from somewhere on the crane. I don't know if you posted them small on purpose, so I sent the ones I have to your Email.....

[Midnight Mike]

Did not take them long! You can now play the "Hero on the Hudson" game

http://www.addictinggames.com/heroonthehudson.html

[Matt Molnar]

New video captures first seconds after splashdown: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Ne ... _York.html (http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/New_Video_Captures_1st_Seconds_After_Flight_Lands_ in_Hudson_New_York.html)

[LGA777]

Very interesting and detailed interview with 1549 passenger who ironically is a prominent attorney and proffessor.

http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdail ... rward.html (http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2009/01/venable-partner-on-us-air-flight-1549-youve-got-to-keep-moving-forward.html)

Regards

LGA777

[Matt Molnar]

Very interesting and detailed interview with 1549 passenger who ironically is a prominent attorney and proffessor.

http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdail ... rward.html (http://amlawdaily.typepad.com/amlawdaily/2009/01/venable-partner-on-us-air-flight-1549-youve-got-to-keep-moving-forward.html)

Regards

LGA777
There are two people whose stories are completely different from everyone else's: this guy, and a man interviewed by the Times say the water was up to their necks. The photos and video and interviews tell a different story: everyone is mostly dry. I'm no physicist, but it would seem to me if the fuselage was nearly filled with water, the plane would have sunk. Not saying he's a liar but...

[Side note: I once received a cease and desist letter from another lawyer at this guy's firm on behalf of Denny's Corporation for something I posted online, but that's a story for another thread. :)]

[emshighway]

Someone sent me these shots. Don't know who took them but from the location it appears some to be from the crane.

http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02616.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02616.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02622.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02622.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02623.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02623.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02624.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02624.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02641.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02641.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02643.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02643.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02646.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02646.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02649.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02649.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02653.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02653.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02659.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02659.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02662.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02662.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02670.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02670.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02674.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02674.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02678.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02678.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02683.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02683.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02688.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02688.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02690.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02690.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02692.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02692.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02696.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02696.jpg)
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/th_DSC02699.jpg (http://s76.photobucket.com/albums/j12/emshighway/US%20Air/?action=view&current=DSC02699.jpg)

Someone sent me the same shots, they do appear to be from somewhere on the crane. I don't know if you posted them small on purpose, so I sent the ones I have to your Email.....

They are thumbnailed on purpose. If you click on them they will go to photobucket and normal view

[DHG750R]

When he returns to the line we hope to do something very special on his first trip thru LGA.

Regards

LGA777

Let me know too Ron, I'd love to be there

[mmedford]

Well I really can't wait for the NTSB report, I really want to see what the FADEC computers logged.

Many rumors are spreading, hopefully the media doesn't eat their own words when everything is said and done.