Air Force 1 Questions

[Gerard]

Without violating operational security two questions concerning Air Force 1.

When the President visits NYC do they always park at SWF after dropping him off or does
it depend how long he is visiting. Obviously a day trip would have them staying at JFK.

So God forbid a national crisis like 9/11 struck again and AF1 was up at Stewart and the
President was in Manhattan, what would they do? Fly him to SWF via Marine 1 or out to
JFK and await AF1?

Thanks all and THANKS for the amazing pictures and posts contributed all week. The shot of
the KC-135 and the F-15s over JFK in support of POTUS was an unbelievable heads-up catch.
Great shot Mirrodie.
Its amazing how many assets (military, Govt, LE) are there in support of ONE MAN!!

[USAF Pilot 07]

I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.... :evil:

[Gerard]

>I could tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.... :evil<

Ouch, that might hurt. :(

[Derf]

It would be wise not to talk about procedures of the presidential aircraft in case of national disaster or emerengcy.

These types of questions could not be seen in a good way period. If there was someone on here with an answer, I would hope that they not post it.

[markg]

Not knowing the real answer, I would hazard a guess that the VC-25 would reposition from SWF to JFK or EWR and POTUS would be helicoptered there.

Of course this would also involve the decoy aircraft to relocate to SWF, and then back down to JFK so that no-one knows which aircraft he is on.

[Informant]

Well Im about to spill it.
This kind of stuff is planned in advanced weeks before the president goes anywhere. There are always several motorcades, of which only one will be carrying the president.
If something like what you imply were to happen, the top priority of the US Security Service would be to get the president as far away from the danger as possible which would mean to the presidential aircraft in use. You might ask why not just wait and trick potential terrorists, well that itself is too risky, up in the air where it is safe is the only logical place to be.

[Gerard]

>Well Im about to spill it.
This kind of stuff is planned in advanced weeks before the president goes anywhere. There are always several motorcades, of which only one will be carrying the president.<

Same with Marine 1 as they always have one or two extra flying in the formation/helicade.

>If something like what you imply were to happen, the top priority of the US Security Service would be to get the president as far away from the danger as possible which would mean to the presidential aircraft in use. You might ask why not just wait and trick potential terrorists, well that itself is too risky, up in the air where it is safe is the only logical place to be<

Which is exactly what happened on 9/11. A lot of critics gave Bush crap for "running away" that day. Look I have no
use for him but these people had no clue that he wasnt running away but following USSS protocols.
Thanks for the replies.
I hope Derf doesnt turn us in. :lol:

[emshighway]

> I hope Derf doesnt turn us in. :lol:

He doesn't have to, expect a visit from suits in sunglasses.


No, I am not joking.

[moose135]

Which is exactly what happened on 9/11. A lot of critics gave Bush crap for "running away" that day. Look I have no use for him but these people had no clue that he wasnt running away but following USSS protocols.

Well, once he finished reading about his pet goat...I still don't understand why the USSS didn't get him out of the school and to the airplane immediately that day.

[Gerard]

>He doesn't have to, expect a visit from suits in sunglasses.>
>No, I am not joking<

Cool, I'll do a Travis Bickle and start asking them questions. :lol:

[Gerard]

>Well, once he finished reading about his pet goat...I still don't understand why the USSS didn't get him out of the school and to the airplane immediately that day<

Well it was the first book he had read in years so they felt sorry for him.
BTW was he taken out before or after the second plane hit? Remember that after the first plane hit it was suggested
that maybe this was just a terrible accident.

[Gerard]

> Fly him to SWF via Marine 1 or out to JFK and await AF1? <

JRB to SWF is 48.4 nautical miles North.
SWF to JFK is 53.9 nautical miles SSE.
JRB to JFK is 11.1 nautical miles West.

[emshighway]

>He doesn't have to, expect a visit from suits in sunglasses.>
>No, I am not joking<

Cool, I'll do a Travis Bickle and start asking them questions. :lol:


:mrgreen:

You are safe for now...

[Gerard]

>You are safe for now<

Whew, I can open the shades and answer the phone again.
Hey here is another scenario to get me in trouble: what if the President is at the Waldorf, AF 1 is at SWF
AND Marine 1 is at JFK or EWR or maybe even NY22 (Floyd B) then what?
BTW back in the 90s when Air Station Brooklyn was still in use the Presidential helicopters bunked there a few
times. Saw it with me own eyes.

[emshighway]

>You are safe for now<

Whew, I can open the shades and answer the phone again.
Hey here is another scenario to get me in trouble: what if the President is at the Waldorf, AF 1 is at SWF
AND Marine 1 is at JFK or EWR or maybe even NY22 (Floyd B) then what?
BTW back in the 90s when Air Station Brooklyn was still in use the Presidential helicopters bunked there a few
times. Saw it with me own eyes.


Then he would go to the bunker.... oh, now I did it!!!

[Matt Molnar]

Thanks to its proximity to Grand Central Station, the Waldorf actually has its own secret (not so secret anymore) rail siding under it which can be accessed from an elevator in the building. It was built by FDR in the days before Air Force One, when the President would travel up from D.C. on a private train. Conceivably it could be used today.

[Idlewild]

Which is exactly what happened on 9/11. A lot of critics gave Bush crap for "running away" that day. Look I have no use for him but these people had no clue that he wasnt running away but following USSS protocols.

Well, once he finished reading about his pet goat...I still don't understand why the USSS didn't get him out of the school and to the airplane immediately that day.



As much as I attribute incompetency, graft, laziness and everything else under the sun to Bush, 9/11 wasn't anything anyone expected. I believe any president who was in Bush's position in Florida would have the same dumbfounded look on their face while the USSS tried to figure out what to do. Nobody could have guessed that more than one plane, much less four was going to do what they did. The USSS did the right thing getting Bush to ND. The first priority for any nation, especially a free one like ours is to protect the people and the government.