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T-Bird76
2007-08-17, 10:14 AM
This is pretty wild, AA has a fleet of 800+ planes (inlcuding Eagle) compared to WN's 400 or something but WN is on track to soar past AA in terms of passengers carried. When you think about that compared to the amount of cities both airlines serve WN is moving a HUGE amount of people through its route network compared to AA.



AP
Southwest Tops AMR in Passenger Traffic
Thursday August 16, 6:34 pm ET
By Alan Zibel, AP Business Writer
Southwest on Pace to Top American As World's Top Airline for 2007 Passenger Traffic

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Southwest Airlines Co. is on pace to unseat American Airlines this year as the world's biggest airline, measured by passenger traffic.
The domestic-only discount carrier already has eclipsed American's combined domestic and international traffic during the first five months of 2007, according to a government tally released Thursday.

Southwest carried 40.3 million passengers on domestic routes between January and May, an increase of 4.2 percent from last year.

"We're thrilled to watch our customer base grow," said Brandy King, a Southwest spokewoman, who attributed the growth to the company's tradition of friendly customer service. "With so many airlines offering low fares, I think customer service makes all the difference in the world."

American, owned by AMR Corp., carried 40 million passengers during the January-May period, down 1.8 percent from last year's levels. American's international traffic for that five month period was 8.7 million, up 0.3 percent in the first five months; its domestic traffic of 31.3 million was down 2.4 percent.

Last year, Dallas-based Southwest was the No. 2 airline worldwide, according to International Air Transport Association passenger traffic statistics. It carried about 96.3 million passengers, ranking behind Fort Worth, Texas-based American, which carried about 100 million passengers.

American, which could not immediately be reached for comment, has been the top U.S. airline for the past five years, according to the Transportation Department's Bureau of Transportation Statistics.

Rounding out the top five were Delta Air Lines Inc., UAL Corp.'s United Airlines and Northwest Airlines Corp.

Overall passenger traffic on U.S. airlines in the first five months of the year was up 1.8 percent from last year, with 307.9 million total passengers.

In May, U.S. airlines carried 64.7 million passengers, up 0.4 percent from the same month last year.

Shares of AMR rose 34 cents to $22.40 in after-hours trading Thursday after rising 86 cents, or 4 percent to close at $22.07. Shares of Southwest fell 2 cents to close at $15.17.

mirrodie
2007-08-17, 10:22 AM
Yes Tom.

Droves of cattle are usually moved in mass quantities.

:twisted:

moose135
2007-08-17, 10:55 AM
Mooooo...

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/184825504-Th.jpg

nwafan20
2007-08-17, 11:56 AM
Tommy, WN now has 506 737's

And AA has 684... Much less than 2,000 ;)

Just thought you would like to know :)

Alex T
2007-08-17, 01:21 PM
We just delivered N288WN yesterday, which makes it our 506 aircraft as nwafan20 pointed out.

We expect 14 more deliveries to make our total fleet be 520 by the end of 2007.

Keep going SWA!!

Alex

Alex T
2007-08-17, 01:23 PM
Mooooo...

http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/184825504-Th.jpg

Making a name for yourself MOOse? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

*ducks and runs away*

Just Kidding!!

Funny to see al the cow remarks, but HEY, Whatever makes money for us! :P

Alex

LGA777
2007-08-17, 01:27 PM
The really wild part of this is WN's largest capacity aircraft is only 137 and because of the high number of frequencies in many of their markets WN often has one of the lowest industry load factors even though they are traditonally very profitable.

Cheers

LGA777

moose135
2007-08-17, 02:34 PM
Making a name for yourself MOOse? :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

*ducks and runs away*

Just Kidding!!

Not at all, Alex... http://moose135.smugmug.com/photos/183649960-M.gif

T-Bird76
2007-08-17, 02:44 PM
Wow has this thread gone off track.... Alex its you're fault! lol

moose135
2007-08-17, 03:03 PM
To get somewhere back to the original point of this thread...

SWA may carry more passengers in total than AA, but I would be interested to see how total Revenue Passenger Miles (RPM) stack up between the two, and even average trip length. I imagine AA carries more long-haul passengers then SWA. Because of the predominance of short point-to-point flights on SWA, they can cycle more passengers through the gates, but AA may have more RPMs if they carry fewer passengers a longer distance.

Alex T
2007-08-17, 03:35 PM
To get somewhere back to the original point of this thread...

SWA may carry more passengers in total than AA, but I would be interested to see how total Revenue Passenger Miles (RPM) stack up between the two, and even average trip length. I imagine AA carries more long-haul passengers then SWA. Because of the predominance of short point-to-point flights on SWA, they can cycle more passengers through the gates, but AA may have more RPMs if they carry fewer passengers a longer distance.

How would this dispute things? Won't people look at ok, SWA carried 10 passengers for June, and AA carried 15 for June, AA is the largest because they carried more passengers, and this does include Intl and Domestic.

How would RPM play a part? Would it nt matter either way only cause number wise SWA carried more passengers then AA.

Why would the trip and lengths have any difference?

Alex

Alex T
2007-08-17, 03:39 PM
http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsN ... 808?rpc=44 (http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKN0836029020070808?rpc=44)

Here is something about RPM, got this from airliners.net, not my credit.

So in RPM sense moose, WN is 5th, and AA is 1st, again though how does this change perspective?

Alex

moose135
2007-08-17, 03:53 PM
There are different ways to look at who is the largest - most passengers carried, most RPMs, most money earned (or least lost...) It's all a matter of perspective.

Let's say AA carries 100 passengers from LA to NY non-stop (for the sake of argument, call it 2,500 miles). That's 250,000 RPMs. SWA carries 100 pax from LA to Chicago, drops them off, and flies a new set of 100 pax from Chi to NY. Same 2,500 miles (give or take) same 250,000 RPM, but SWA has carried 200 pax compared to AA's 100.

Not saying one way is better or worse to judge the airlines, just pointing out there are different ways of looking at this.