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Midnight Mike
2007-07-02, 08:24 AM
Jets shredded, kept away from 'bad guys'
02-July-2007

A mechanical monster grabs the F-14 fighter jet and chews through one wing and then another, ripping off the Tomcat's appendages before moving onto its guts. Finally, all that's left is a pile of shredded rubble — like the scraps from a Thanksgiving turkey.

The Pentagon is paying a contractor at least $900,000 to destroy old F-14s, a jet affectionately nicknamed "the turkey," rather than sell the spares at the risk of their falling into the wrong hands, including Iran's.

Within a workday, a $38 million fighter jet that once soared as a showpiece of U.S. airpower can be destroyed at the Davis-Monthan Air Force Base in Tucson, Ariz., the military's "boneyard" for retired aircraft.

"There were things getting to the bad guys, so to speak," said Tim Shocklee, founder and executive vice president of TRI-Rinse Inc. in St. Louis. "And one of the ways to make sure that no one will ever use an F-14 again is to cut them into little 2-by-2-foot bits."

The Defense Department had intended to destroy spare parts unique to the F-14 but sell thousands of others that could be used on other aircraft. It suspended sales of all Tomcat parts after The Associated Press reported in January that buyers for Iran, China and other countries had exploited gaps in surplus-sale security to acquire sensitive U.S. military gear, including F-14 parts.

Among other tactics, middlemen for the countries misrepresented themselves to gain access to the Defense Department's surplus sales or bought sensitive surplus from U.S. companies that had acquired it from Pentagon auctions and weren't supposed to allow its export.

Investigators also found some sensitive items accidentally slipping into surplus auctions rather than being destroyed as they were supposed to be. In an unusual move when dealing with retired aircraft, the Pentagon is trying to shut off all avenues for Iran's parts purchasers by demolishing the F-14s, then combing through the scraps to make sure nothing useful remains.

Iran is the only country trying to keep Tomcats airworthy. The United States let Iran buy the F-14s in the 1970s when it was an ally, long before President Bush named it part of an "axis of evil."

Shocklee's company won a three-year, $3.7 million contract to render surplus equipment useless for military purposes. The work includes the recent demolition of 23 Tomcats in Arizona, accounting for about $900,000 of TRI-Rinse's contract. The military is considering using the same process on its other F-14s.

The company has developed portable shredding machinery so the Pentagon can have sensitive items destroyed on a base instead of shipping them long distances to be shredded.

The Tomcat was a strike fighter with a striking price tag: roughly $38 million. By the 1980s it was a movie star with a leading role in the Tom Cruise classic "Top Gun." But as the planes are mangled into unrecognizable metal chunks, the jets with a 38-foot wingspan appear small and vulnerable.

The shearing machine, which uses pincers to rip apart the planes, weighs 100,000 pounds. The shredder is 120,000 pounds. An F-14 weighs about 40,000 pounds.

Among the shredded victims in Arizona: a plane flown by the "Tophatters" squadron, which led the first airstrike in Afghanistan when the U.S. invaded in October 2001.

The Pentagon retired its F-14s last fall. At last count, the military's boneyard in Arizona held 165 Tomcats, believed to be the only ones left out of 633 produced for the Navy. The others were scavenged for parts to keep others flying, went to museums or crashed, said a spokeswoman for the air base, Teresa Vanden-Heuvel.

As powerful as the grinding machinery is, not all of the F-14 can be shredded. The landing gear — built to withstand the force of slamming onto an aircraft carrier's deck — must be cut by hand with a demolition torch. It's made from steel with parts of titanium, so the shears can't cut it and the shredder can't chew it.

Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., considers the F-14 demolitions a good effort, but wants to go further and outlaw the sale of F-14 parts to anyone except museums. Wyden sponsored legislation that also would ban export licenses for F-14 components, which he believes will be more effective than Pentagon policies that he said have changed over time.

"I don't think internal rules — these internal initiatives — based on the track record of the Department of Defense, are sufficient," Wyden said.

The House passed similar legislation in June; a Senate vote is expected later this summer. The White House hasn't said whether Bush supports the idea.

F-14 preservationists said the Pentagon is handling the Tomcats they obtain differently.

As a Navy pilot, retired Capt. Dale Snodgrass delivered an F-14 to Iran — flying nonstop from the United States with roughly No. 68 of about 80 planes that Iran ordered.

Snodgrass said only key computers were taken out and ejection systems disabled on planes delivered to museums in past years. This year, when an F-14 went on display at a Miami museum, virtually everything was removed, leaving only a shell with the canopy painted black, said Snodgrass, who lives in St. Augustine, Fla.

Snodgrass is part of F-14 history. He flew Tomcats for roughly a quarter-century and amassed the most flight time in them of any pilot: more than 4,800 hours. He was named Navy pilot of the year around the time "Top Gun" hit theaters.

Snodgrass said he understands the Pentagon's destruction of F-14s but said it would be nice to see some preserved. Pilots dubbed the Tomcat "the turkey" because of its ungainly, turkey-like look when landing on aircraft carriers.

"When I first started it," Snodgrass said, "it was the biggest, the fastest, the most impressive, the most maneuverable fighter on the planet Earth."

Matt Molnar
2007-07-02, 10:14 AM
A better way to make the parts useless to Iran: blow up the ones Iran already has. :D

AirtrafficController
2007-07-02, 10:48 AM
The F-14s Iran has are useless

nwafan20
2007-07-02, 12:26 PM
The F-14s Iran has are useless

That is a stupid statement to make. They are certainly not useless. I'm sure there are quite a few in working order, and that is a threat to our safety. Iran has been stepping up their secret presence in Iraq, if they decide to do a full out attack on us, I'm sure F-14's would be used.

cancidas
2007-07-02, 12:50 PM
The F-14s Iran has are useless

That is a stupid statement to make. They are certainly not useless. I'm sure there are quite a few in working order, and that is a threat to our safety. Iran has been stepping up their secret presence in Iraq, if they decide to do a full out attack on us, I'm sure F-14's would be used.

you sure about that? how do you see thier F-14s as a threat to our safety? i'm perfectly safe in the room where i'm sitting, and i'm sure you are too. for soem reason, i don't see Iran having anywhere near the neccessary capabilities to launch an offensive attack against us.

Matt Molnar
2007-07-02, 02:35 PM
The F-14s Iran has are useless

That is a stupid statement to make. They are certainly not useless. I'm sure there are quite a few in working order, and that is a threat to our safety. Iran has been stepping up their secret presence in Iraq, if they decide to do a full out attack on us, I'm sure F-14's would be used.

you sure about that? how do you see thier F-14s as a threat to our safety? i'm perfectly safe in the room where i'm sitting, and i'm sure you are too. for soem reason, i don't see Iran having anywhere near the neccessary capabilities to launch an offensive attack against us.

There are hundreds of thousands of American troops stationed in and around the Middle East. The F-14's would be used against them...they are us.

cancidas
2007-07-02, 03:58 PM
The F-14s Iran has are useless

That is a stupid statement to make. They are certainly not useless. I'm sure there are quite a few in working order, and that is a threat to our safety. Iran has been stepping up their secret presence in Iraq, if they decide to do a full out attack on us, I'm sure F-14's would be used.

you sure about that? how do you see thier F-14s as a threat to our safety? i'm perfectly safe in the room where i'm sitting, and i'm sure you are too. for soem reason, i don't see Iran having anywhere near the neccessary capabilities to launch an offensive attack against us.

There are hundreds of thousands of American troops stationed in and around the Middle East. The F-14's would be used against them...they are us.

you're still giving the iranians too much credit. how are you so sure those airplane are still airworthy to begin with? even if they are, would they be dumb enough to try full-frontal assault against our forces in the region?

hiss srq
2007-07-02, 04:00 PM
I smell a mushroom cloud if they are dumb enough and I am 100% for it.

AirtrafficController
2007-07-02, 05:10 PM
I thought the F-14s were sabotaged

Derf
2007-07-02, 07:58 PM
Here is the deal....we took the ability for the F-14's to fire missles...they back-engineered the f-14's and do have weapons capibilty and They Used Them, including the Phoenix.

It WAS known to be bull that they were still airworthy but it was believed up to 40 of the delivered 80 out of 81 or 82 orderd were still flying. (This is from memory....)

There was an airshow a few years back were there were 7 and 9 F-14 formation flights....They were a TIGHT formation leading me to believe that they had LOTS of formation practice.

They used Russian ejections seats modified to the aircraft.

This is from a very "GOOD" source :wink:

Thats all I know about that -Derf

skipper
2007-07-02, 11:08 PM
but the parts for these a/c are made in the US. If we sanction against them and do not give them parts then they can not keep them airworthy. Of course they can out source and reverse engineer some parts.

Nick
2007-07-06, 01:03 AM
A couple of A model Turkeys with P&W motors is nothing for us to be concerned about.

lijk604
2007-07-06, 07:44 AM
A couple of A model Turkeys with P&W motors is nothing for us to be concerned about.

You, of all people, should not make such a carefree remark.
All it takes is one lucky shot from one of those said "turkeys" and everyone's tune is going to change.

There is a black market for everything and anything, after 9/11 I put nothing past anyone, anymore.

Derf
2007-07-06, 11:26 AM
A couple of A model Turkeys with P&W motors is nothing for us to be concerned about.

Wow, NOT TRUE!

They have phoenix missiles that are past their shelf life but still should
work fine...but I would still bet on an F-14 up against a F-15,F-16 or hogs
as they can fire on an aircraft at 80 miles away where our aircraft have to
be within 30 miles. You do not need to worry about engines if they blow
the aircraft out of the sky before the other pilot can ID friend or foe. One
aircraft can fire on 6 enemies at the same time, our birds can only fire on
one at a time in close range. Our government is going nuts trying to keep
ever part away from them, there is a reason for that.

I would not like to see a 4 on 1 with the odds stacked against the
Tomcat. Our side would loose......and we KNOW IT! It is a superior
weapons platform that was to expensive for us.......ya know, YOU GET
WHAT YOU PAY FOR!

Derf
2007-07-06, 11:47 AM
Video of F-14 scrapped

http://www.newsday.com/business/local/ny-bzshred0706,0,7620554.story?coll=ny-top-headlines

T-Bird76
2007-07-06, 11:59 AM
Wow, NOT TRUE!

Fred we're allies with Turkey, I wouldn't lose sleep over it ;)