I like Hillary

I like Hillary for President.

I think its time for a smart, brilliant woman to lead this great country of ours.

Many countries have had women Prime Ministers or Presidents and they did great jobs. I'm thinking of Golda Meyer in Israel, Margaret Thatcher in Great Britain and Indira Gandhi in India.

I'm sure Hillary is competent to be a good President.

For all those Hillary haters, kindly keep it to yourself.

We can all make up our own minds on who we're going to support in the presidential election.

:)

[cancidas]

For all those Hillary haters, kindly keep it to yourself.


um... you let the cat out of the abg with that one.

[USAF Pilot 07]

Not a huge "Hildawg" fan...

She really hasn't seemed to do much as senator. I'd probably vote for a Guiliani/Thompson ticket (or vice versa)....

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[lijk604]

just wait until Nick sees this thread! :shock:

[T-Bird76]

I like Hillary for President.

Well isn't that special...

I take it you're into European Socialists?

[ATAIndy]

Uggh... As important as they may be, I really hate politics.

[Idlewild]

Besides being a substitute parent and advocating a crackdown on violence in video games, and "consoling" the Rutger's Womens Basketball team.........what has she really done for NYS?

[nwafan20]

For all those Hillary haters, kindly keep it to yourself.


So let me get this straight... You post a thread about a presidential candidate... and you tell everyone who disagrees with you not to say anything.... Yeah, um, no.

Hillary is about as incompetent as Obama (and that is saying something!)

[ATAIndy]

So let me get this straight... You post a thread about a presidential candidate... and you tell everyone who disagrees with you not to say anything.... Yeah, um, no.

Lol, you have a good point there nwafan20!

[PhilDernerJr]

Hillary has no place in politics.

My major beef with her is that people hold her up as a role model for women. If anything, it's the exact opposite. What does it say for her that she gained success by grasping onto the success of her man? What does it say for her that she stood by her man after he cheated on her in front of the nation?

A role model for women? I think not.

[PhilDernerJr]

For all those Hillary haters, kindly keep it to yourself.

But you can post your views on her?


We can all make up our own minds on who we're going to support in the presidential election. :)

That's right. And I've learned much from having debates and hearing both sides.

[hiss srq]

I think its time for a smart, brilliant woman to lead this great country of ours.



For all those Hillary haters, kindly keep it to yourself.

We can all make up our own minds on who we're going to support in the presidential election.

:)

So on point one I am going to ask you where in the heck you get smart as an adjective for Hillary?

Secondly I am a Hillary hater worse than anyone on this site probably and I will not keep that to myself. Nor do I think anyone else here will as you posted this on an open forum. Frankly, you open yourself up to get your donkey hole chewed out by making statements like these.

Thirdly we can all make up out minds when the elections come and statistics and polls currently show that that commie hypocritical b*tch will never see the white house again as long as she lives.

You made several statements in this post of yours that really not to be hostile but they were pointless. It is kind of like being at a dinner table and randomly spurting out "Plungers are better than Drano" or something similar.

Cheers from the far right wing.

[Mellyrose]

I'm SOOOOO glad I have zero opinion on politics! It sure is fun to watch though.

[stuart schechter]

I like Hillary for President.

I think its time for a smart, brilliant woman

I\\\\\\\'m sure Hillary is competent to be a good President.

For all those Hillary haters, kindly keep it to yourself.



You opened the can of worms that should have been thrown out of the window of the A380 at 36,000 ft when it was over the atlantic.


Yeah she is a woman and all but I don\\\\\\\'t like having to have my mom with me when I buy video games. I think that it is absurd and she is trying to create a perfect world. We will have our flaws and she has to realize it.

DOWN WITH HILDAWG!!!

Put the snook in the snitch again! (A South Park reference)


NOTE TO MOD\'s: I am using a website to get through my schools blocks and it puts slashes in quotes and stuff. If you could take them out I would be grateful!

[mirrodie]

[Hillary is about as incompitent as Obama

Or Republican Gore-Haters who can't spell ;)

[mirrodie]

I'm SOOOOO glad I have zero opinion on politics! It sure is fun to watch though.


Same here sister. Too funny.

I just like Hillary.

I'm so surprised at your outbursts!

I would have never guessed.

[T-Bird76]

[Hillary is about as incompitent as Obama

Or Republican Gore-Haters who can't spell ;)

Can't Obama just take Viagra for that problem? LOLOL

[moose135]

She really hasn't seemed to do much as governor. I'd probably vote for a Guiliani/Thompson ticket (or vice versa)....

You're right, she hasn't done much as governor...that's because she isn't governor, she is in the US Senate. Just what the hell are they teaching you guys out there?

[USAF Pilot 07]

She really hasn't seemed to do much as governor. I'd probably vote for a Guiliani/Thompson ticket (or vice versa)....

You're right, she hasn't done much as governor...that's because she isn't governor, she is in the US Senate. Just what the hell are they teaching you guys out there?

Well, what can I say, I'm going to be a pilot :wink:

But for real, yea that was a bad mistake, lol... :oops: I had my wisdom teeth pulled this morning, and when I read the post was jacked up on all sorts of drugs, so gimme a break!

And hey, when you take 21 credits a semester of stuff like Aero, Astro, Compsci, Physics, Chemistry, Philosphy etc... it can be hard to remember everything! If only I had a little more free time... (most of which is spent on NYCA to begin with 8) )

Being a Meteorology major, politics are about the furthest thing from my mind on a daily basis... Now triple derivates, laplacians, gradients and stuff like that, and now you're taking about fair game!

The funny thing is that you were the first to notice... :shock:

[moose135]

I had my wisdom teeth pulled this morning, and when I read the post was jacked up on all sorts of drugs, so gimme a break!

Oh, that sounds like fun! I had all 4 removed at the USAF hospital at Wright-Patterson about 20 years ago. Those were some good drugs :wink:

[USAF Pilot 07]

I had my wisdom teeth pulled this morning, and when I read the post was jacked up on all sorts of drugs, so gimme a break!

Oh, that sounds like fun! I had all 4 removed at the USAF hospital at Wright-Patterson about 20 years ago. Those were some good drugs :wink:

Can't disagree with you on that one... 8)

It actually wasn't as bad than I thought it'd be... They pretty much pull everyone's wisdom teeth out here, and there have been some nasty recovery stories. I guess everone is different. Just sucks cause I can't eat anything solid for about a week and I'm hoping I don't end up with dry sockets in a day or two... Now to pop a percocet and drift away to sleep!

[Matt Molnar]

Now to pop a percocet and drift away to sleep!

If only they made one big enough to ease the pain of 4+ years under President Rodham.

[NIKV69]

Hillary will not win the election. She has proven herself to be a flip flopper and a backpedaler as well. She has proven herself to be someone who can't be trusted and at this point is placing her last hopes in the same anti-Bush crap that Kerry tried and lost with. At this point the Dems have a major problem if they nominate Hillary she will get killed on her flip flopping. Especially how she was quoted as saying she would do her own research on whether we should enter into the war in Iraq, then voting for it and then saying she was duped by Pres Bush and saying she should have never voted for it. Nice move. If the Dems nominate Obama they lose because even though he is flamboyant and outspoken he has zero experience and the country is afraid the Middle East will walk over us. At this point you can like Hillary all you want. We will speak again Nov 08'. Best of Luck.

[Art at ISP]

Hillary is a politician--will say anything to get the vote. She is a panderer of the first order, and a crook as well. She sold access to the White House when Bubba was president.

The bigger problem is there does not seem to be a viable candidate of either party right now. It does not bode well for the US.

Hillary belongs in prison, not the White House. Just read up on her involvement with Vince Foster's murder---errr... "suicide".

And now...for how I REALLY feel???? hehe

[NIKV69]

Hillary belongs in prison, not the White House. Just read up on her involvement with Vince Foster's murder---errr... "suicide".


Oh man the Vince Foster thing was so funny. It was so obvious his body was placed in the park where he was found post mortem. Ahh the things you can do when you are in Washington.

[T-Bird76]

I'm not 100% sure I buy the Vince Forster thing but I do know bubba and the bitch sold out our country to China. The thought of a commie sleeping in the Lincoln bedroom is nothing short of treason to this nation.

[Matt Molnar]

I just don't have any confidence that the GOP can win no matter how good their candidates are and how bad the Dem candidates are. Between the media's automatic slant against them and the exhaustion of the past 8 years of a Republican White House, there's just no way.

It's hard to fathom that there is someone scarier than Hillary in terms of both name recognition and sheer incompetence to be President, but if Al Gore decides to run (it's been rumored that he's strongly considering it) I think it's game over for Hillary, Obama, and the GOP.

Thanks to all for your comments. I wasn't aware I joined a hard right site until now. It just warms my heart.

I think your comments are worthwhile in the sense that they illustrate how entrenched and divided we are as a country.

I don't know who the nominees of both parties will be, but I do know that I will listen to all sides and make up my mind in good faith and according to my conscience.

I like Hillary right now and I support her. I intend to raise funds for her and to personally constribute to her campaign. But she still has to end up the best choice in the end for me to vote for her. At this point, I think she will which is why I'm backing her. Time will tell.

[NIKV69]

I just don't have any confidence that the GOP can win no matter how good their candidates are and how bad the Dem candidates are. Between the media's automatic slant against them and the exhaustion of the past 8 years of a Republican White House, there's just no way.


This is why everybody thought Kerry would roll over Bush. Didn't happen. If Rudy runs against Obama or Clinton I think we will see the same result a narrow GOP win. No matter how bad you want to portray Bush or the GOP you still have to offer a good candidate something the Dems don't seem to know how to do.

[Mellyrose]

I think Nick just dislikes any female unless they're half naked and mute.

Historically, women have proved themselves great leaders.

Its odd that we haven't had a woman president in the US.

Despite some assertions that Hillary rode on the coattails of her husband (sexist?), Hillary will make an excellent president.

[NIKV69]

I think Nick just dislikes any female unless they're half naked and mute.


Make that totally naked Mel! :mrgreen:




Its odd that we haven't had a woman president in the US.


Not really, when one with the ability and track record comes along the people will vote for one. Let's not forget that it's the people that vote in the president, and it's the people that voted in Bush on 04'. We seem to forget that.

[T-Bird76]

[quote]I think Nick just dislikes any female unless they're half naked and mute.


Make that totally naked Mel! :mrgreen:




Its odd that we haven't had a woman president in the US.


Not really, when one with the ability and track record comes along the people will vote for one. Let's not forget that it's the people that vote in the president, and it's the people that voted in Bush on 08'. We seem to forget that.[/quote:d42ce]

And it was the Supreme Court who voted him in, in 04 not the people.

Its interesting that Hillary rode on the coattails of her man, but the boy Bush did not ride on the coattails of his father.


And it was the Supreme Court who voted him in, in 04 not the people.

Yes let's not forget that.

[NIKV69]

And it was the Supreme Court who voted him in, in 04 not the people.



Yes let's not forget that.


Man you guys are really reaching. Typical. If the country wanted him out Kerry would have won.

[T-Bird76]

Nick he lost the popular election in 04 to Gore, that's a fact. I generally vote GOP but I'm just not impressed with Bush. I'm not sure what it is but he can't seem to get his agenda across to America.

[NIKV69]

Nick he lost the popular election in 04 to Gore

No kidding but you don't win the election on the popular vote you win it on the electoral vote.


I'm not sure what it is but he can't seem to get his agenda across to America.

Actually you may mean liberal America. Just because the media chooses to only show you the people that don't agree with them they think they can make the claim that all of America does not agree with him. If this were true he would not be in office right now.

[T-Bird76]

[quote]Nick he lost the popular election in 04 to Gore

No kidding but you don't win the election on the popular vote you win it on the electoral vote.


I'm not sure what it is but he can't seem to get his agenda across to America.

Actually you may mean liberal America. Just because the media chooses to only show you the people that don't agree with them they think they can make the claim that all of America does not agree with him. If this were true he would not be in office right now.[/quote:d5209]

You just flip floped more then Kerry! You said the people vote him in before! Comeon Nick we know your a closet Dem with a picture of Hillary on your nightstand. LOL

If the country wanted him out Kerry would have won.

You act as though Boy Bush won with a landslide. The difference was under 5% in most key states and just one state, Ohio, decided it by around 140,000 votes. It could easily have gone in a different direction.

Ever since Newt, Republicans have been belligerent and close minded, souring an already sour political scene.

I'm sick of attack politics. I prefer to reason for myself.

And the damage that this president has done to the country will be with us for generations to come. Namely, the deficit, the loss in Iraq, the loss of prestige in the world for the US, the certain knowledge by our enemies that we are a paper tiger, the weakening of key strategic and economic alliances, the suspension of rights guaranteed in the Constitution in the name of national security...and the list goes on.

This administration has catered to the rich at the expense of the middle class, which is the backbone of a stable and prosperous US.

I remember the boy Bush criticizing the Democrats for nation building and not having an exit strategy in previous conflicts. I remember the boy Bush absolutely adverse to any type of nation building or military campaign without a clear cut exit strategy.

And of course, the hard righters have the nerve to co opt the national tragedy of 911 as an excuse for nation building and all the things that boy bush told us he would not do.

As of this writing, there are 3,333 confirmed casualties in Iraq of our fellow Americans. They were sent there under dubious circumstances on claims that were not true. No weapons of mass destruction. No ties between Saddam and al qaida.

Of course, now that this administration broke the Iraq, al qaida has flooded in. Syria and Iran have taken advantage of a broken Iraq to do their dirty work.

Where does one stop?

And you think this president did a fine job?

[NIKV69]

the loss in Iraq

Oh we have lost now? Sorry but I don't see it that way.


the loss of prestige in the world for the US

Prestige? What are you talking about?


the certain knowledge by our enemies that we are a paper tiger

No, we would be that paper tiger if we cut and run like you want us to do. Bush wants to defeat terrorism. Not run from it.


This administration has catered to the rich at the expense of the middle class, which is the backbone of a stable and prosperous US.


Actually if I remember correctly Bush was the first president to put a tax break to the tune of a 300 dollar check in my mailbox. Show me a Dem that has done that. Bush has brought unemployment to an all time low and the Dow is at its highest. Hitting 13,000 for the first time.


As of this writing, there are 3,333 confirmed casualties in Iraq of our fellow Americans. They were sent there under dubious circumstances on claims that were not true. No weapons of mass destruction. No ties between Saddam and al qaida.



Oh please, it's a known fact that Saddam had WMD and he killed how may of his own people with them? No ties? The guy had to go and that area is a haven for Al Qaida and God knows who else. It had to be liberated and a Democracy put in place or it would be a hot bed for every terrorist from the ones who hate us to Iran who hates Israel. If you want to talk about deaths lets talk about the 3000 at the WTC who dies for no other reason than Al Qaida hating our freedom.

[moose135]

Nick he lost the popular election in 04 to Gore

No kidding but you don't win the election on the popular vote you win it on the electoral vote.

That's right - he won the electorial vote. It was decided in a state where his brother was governor, who set voter-registration rules designed to suppress turnout from likely-Democratic voting groups, and affirmed by the Supreme Court, 7 members of which were appointed while his father was either President or Vice President.

Face it folks, for one shining moment, we were a banana republic!

[Art at ISP]

Get your years right ;)

Gore lost in 2000 not 2004.

Kerry lost in 2004....

I am Republican but I have little good to say about Bush.

I have NOTHING good to say about Bubba and the bitch though.

[mirrodie]

Art, how's flying aa treating you?

Mel, I'll still enjoying it. Are you? Run out of popcorn yet?

[Idlewild]

You don't have to be right wing to be dis-satisfied with Hil. Look at Cindy Sheean for example. Personally, I like Obama, however (straying off subject a bit), I don't think the Democratic Party will allow him to be front runner even if he wins the primary.

Hillary Clinton has done nothing for NYS as our senator. In fact she probably did more as First Lady. As for the GOP, Rudy is their best bet. Brownback is a Bush wannabe, McCain doesn't have any fire, no one gives a **** about Romney,and Goldwater and Nixon are dead. Like you say time will tell.

[USAF Pilot 07]

That's right - he won the electorial vote. It was decided in a state where his brother was governor, who set voter-registration rules designed to suppress turnout from likely-Democratic voting groups, and affirmed by the Supreme Court, 7 members of which were appointed while his father was either President or Vice President.




Wait, didn't the New York Times go back after the election and pay a lot of money to have the ballots in Florida recounted and find that Bush had indeed won the popular vote, by a larger margin than what was originally thought?

Don't know if this is fact, but I recall hearing this from someone. Maybe someone here knows something about it...

What a reaction Hillary's name got.

Now I know to put Hillary's name on all my posts to get them read.

Let's see:

Yeltsin finally dead after he instituted democracy and robbed the Russians blind Hillary spotted at funeral

or

Floods in Florida and gaters eat 100 year old Hillary spotted single handedly saving dozens.

Hillary, She ain't so bad, you'll like her when you get to know her...oh wait!

That is what Papa Bush said about boy Bush in the Banana Republic election.

You get the idea.

[hiss srq]

Dude, Clinton is one of the most anti American people in the nation as far as I am concerned. You may not realize it but the research is out there.

[PhilDernerJr]

Dude, Clinton is one of the most anti American people in the nation as far as I am concerned. You may not realize it but the research is out there.

Another powerful argument. Learn us more.

[Tom_Turner]

But, better to do a recount of only the areas/counties likely to change the final tally to Gore? That would not be a bannana republic?

We had someone's son running against someone's wife in a country of 200million+. In that respect we were already in a sorry spot.






Nick he lost the popular election in 04 to Gore

No kidding but you don't win the election on the popular vote you win it on the electoral vote.

That's right - he won the electorial vote. It was decided in a state where his brother was governor, who set voter-registration rules designed to suppress turnout from likely-Democratic voting groups, and affirmed by the Supreme Court, 7 members of which were appointed while his father was either President or Vice President.

Face it folks, for one shining moment, we were a banana republic!

[bonanzabucks]

Greatsite, I'm a registered Republican here in Queens County, but I gotta say I agree with many of your points about Bush. I think he's an embarrassment and unfit to lead the country and I'm astounded how many people are so deluded into think that even his farts are a stroke of genius. Thankfully, lots of Republicans see him as a liability and aren't supporting him on a lot of issues anymore.

As for our standing in the world, I think it's very sad when most of the world's population actually think more positively of overtly racist and brutal dictatorships with nefarious intentions, like China and Iran, than they do about us. Bush isn't exactly projecting the best image. It's bad for our interests in the future.

I don't even know where to begin about the mess in Iraq. Whether or not it was right to go to war there is not the issue now, the place is a mess and there seems to have been zero strategy to keep the peace there. Totally disorganized.

As for Hillary, what the hell has she done for us here in NY as a Senator? Not much...

I don't know who I'd vote for. I'd probably vote for Guiliani if he gets on the GOP ticket, but I don't think he will be on. I'm not a huge fan of McCain because he seems too plastic. The other candidates, I don't like at all. And nobody from the Dems really interests me. I don't know why the media is so obsessed with Obama.

[Iberia A340-600]

I like Hilary... Duff. :lol:


I'm SOOOOO glad I have zero opinion on politics! It sure is fun to watch though.

Haha same here.

[Matt Molnar]

I like Hilary... Duff. :lol:
I'm more of a Haylie fan myself. Vote for Summer!

[Mellyrose]

Dude, Clinton is one of the most anti American people in the nation as far as I am concerned. You may not realize it but the research is out there.

Yeah, and 9/11 is a conspiracy. The research is out there. :roll:

Seriously....start bringing facts if you're going to open your mouth. I don't care either way about this argument and it's annoying to read.

[Tom_Turner]

<<Yeah, and 9/11 is a conspiracy. The research is out there. >>

We'll have to ask iMuS & rOsIe since they seem to make cryptic remarks on the subject...... Maybe they'll join up.

[Tom_Turner]

So, I am curious.

Why isn't it time for a smart, brilliant black man to lead this great country of ours?



I like Hillary for President.

I think its time for a smart, brilliant woman to lead this great country of ours.

[NIKV69]

Yeah, and 9/11 is a conspiracy

It was just ask Rosie! Bush planted bombs so the buildings would come down after of course he stole all that oil from Iraq.


Why isn't it time for a smart, brilliant black man to lead this great country of ours?

Show us one.

[T-Bird76]

So, I am curious.

Why isn't it time for a smart, brilliant black man to lead this great country of ours?



I like Hillary for President.

I think its time for a smart, brilliant woman to lead this great country of ours.


Does it really matter the race or gender? I think we get way to hung up on that.

Here's are excerpts from an article from Vanity Fair titled "Neo Culpa" dated January 2007 by David Rose.

The famous Neo Cons who advocated the war in Iraq talk about it as the mistake and disaster that it has become as a result of the Bush administration's incompetence.

Perle is unrecognizable as the confident hawk I once knew. "The levels of brutality that we've seen are truly horrifying, and I have to say, I underestimated the depravity," Perle says, adding that total defeat—an American withdrawal that leaves Iraq as an anarchic "failed state"—is not yet inevitable, but is becoming more likely. "And then," he says, "you'll get all the mayhem that the world is capable of creating."

According to Perle, who left the Defense Policy Board in 2004, this unfolding catastrophe has a central cause: devastating dysfunction within the Bush administration. The policy process has been nothing short of "disastrous," he says. "The decisions did not get made that should have been. They didn't get made in a timely fashion, and the differences were argued out endlessly. At the end of the day, you have to hold the president responsible.

Perle goes as far as to say that, if he had his time over, he would not advocate an invasion of Iraq: "I think if I had been delphic, and had seen where we are today, and people had said, 'Should we go into Iraq?,' I think now I probably would have said, 'No, let's consider other strategies for dealing with the thing that concerns us most, which is Saddam supplying weapons of mass destruction to terrorists.' … I don't say that because I no longer believe that Saddam had the capability to produce weapons of mass destruction, or that he was not in contact with terrorists. I believe those two premises were both correct. Could we have managed that threat by means other than a direct military intervention? Well, maybe we could have."

Having spoken with Perle, I wonder: What do the rest of the war's neoconservative proponents think?

I expect to encounter disappointment. What I find instead is despair, and fury at the incompetence of the Bush administration many neocons once saw as their brightest hope.

David Frum, the former White House speechwriter who co-wrote Bush's 2002 State of the Union address, accusing Iraq of being part of an "axis of evil," says it now looks as if defeat may be inescapable, because "the insurgency has proven it can kill anyone who cooperates, and the United States and its friends have failed to prove that it can protect them. If you are your typical, human non-hero, then it's very hard at this point to justify to yourself and your family taking any risks at all on behalf of the coalition." This situation, he says, must ultimately be blamed on "failure at the center."

Kenneth Adelman, a longtime neocon activist and Pentagon insider who has served on the Defense Policy Board, wrote a famous op-ed article in The Washington Post in February 2002, arguing, "I believe that demolishing Hussein's military power and liberating Iraq would be a cakewalk." Now he says, "I am extremely disappointed by the outcome in Iraq, because I just presumed that what I considered to be the most competent national-security team since Truman was indeed going to be competent. They turned out to be among the most incompetent teams in the postwar era. Not only did each of them, individually, have enormous flaws, but together they were deadly, dysfunctional."

And if he, too, had his time over, Adelman says, "I would write an article that would be skeptical over whether there would be a performance that would be good enough to implement our policy. The policy can be absolutely right, and noble, beneficial, but if you can't execute it, it's useless, just useless. I guess that's what I would have said: that Bush's arguments are absolutely right, but you know what? You just have to put them in the drawer marked CAN'T DO. And that's very different from LET'S GO."

The full article can be read at

http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/feat ... cons200701 (http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/features/2007/01/neocons200701)

More to come...

[Mellyrose]

If the eyeroll wasn't an indicator, I'd like to state for the record that I was joking about 9/11 being a conspiracy. Some people can't handle sarcasm.

Thanks.

[Matt Molnar]

If the eyeroll wasn't an indicator, I'd like to state for the record that I was joking about 9/11 being a conspiracy. Some people can't handle sarcasm.
Sarcasm about the conspiracy indicates that you are a part of the conspiracy!

[Tom_Turner]

If the eyeroll wasn't an indicator, I'd like to state for the record that I was joking about 9/11 being a conspiracy. Some people can't handle sarcasm.

Thanks.

I knew it was sarcasm Mel I should've added a :) tho...

[Tom_Turner]

So, I am curious.

Why isn't it time for a smart, brilliant black man to lead this great country of ours?


[quote=GreatSiteCongrats]I like Hillary for President.

I think its time for a smart, brilliant woman to lead this great country of ours.


Does it really matter the race or gender? I think we get way to hung up on that.[/quote:633f4]

Yes, the topic is absurd. That was my point..