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TallDutch
2007-03-15, 11:18 AM
US Airways Group, restarting a push to retire its oldest jets, will order 60 aircraft valued at almost $5 billion by the end of April.

The airline is evaluating proposals from Boeing and Airbus for narrow-body, single-aisle planes, Chief Financial Officer Derek Kerr said in an interview. Tempe, Arizona-based US Airways also will decide by April 30 on the future of a pending 2005 order for 20 Airbus A350 wide-body jets, Kerr said.

Newer jets would save money on maintenance and fuel. US Airways, the seventh-largest U.S. airline, suspended talks with planemakers in November to pursue a hostile bid for Delta Air Lines, and resumed after dropping the offer Jan. 31.

"US Airways is the only legacy carrier out there that's really talking about aggressive expansion," said Richard Aboulafia, vice president of Teal Group, a Fairfax, Virginia- based consulting firm. "There's a certain optimism linked to this kind of order."

For its narrow-body jets, US Airways will chose between members of the Boeing 737 and Airbus A320 families, Kerr said. The airline hopes to replace 55 737-300s with the new planes between 2008 and 2010.

For longer-range aircraft, US Airways will choose between Boeing's 787 Dreamliner and the Airbus A350, Kerr said. The airline ordered 20 A350s, valued at $3.2 billion, in November 2005 in exchange for a $250 million loan that helped finance the merger of US Airways and America West Holdings Corp.

A350 Delays

Airbus, based in Toulouse, France, has said it expects the A350 to be ready in —, five years after Boeing's 787, and has only 100 orders for the plane.

"The A350 today is not the plane we ordered," Kerr said, referring to delays and redesigns since 2005. "We need to know what the plane is going to cost and when it will be ready."

The delays have reached the point that US Airways has the right under its contract to cancel the earlier order, Kerr said.

"US Airways thinking about Boeing is a reflection of the softness in the A350 development program," Aboulafia said. "They need to have confidence about when the equipment is going to be coming, or they're going to have to go with the other guy."

US Airways must make a decision on the 787 soon or risk losing slots in Boeing's production line.

"We have delivery positions they have promised to us for now," Kerr said. "If we don't make a decision soon, they will give those to someone else."

The jets would replace at least some of the carrier's nine Airbus A330s, 10 Boeing 767s or 43 Boeing 757-200s.

List Prices

Airbus planes in the A320 family carry list prices of $52.8 million to $81.6 million, and an order for 60 would be valued at as much as $4.9 billion.

Newer 737 models, including the 737-700 and 737-800 series, list for $54 million to $80.5 million, giving a 60-plane order a potential value of $4.83 billion. Airlines usually receive discounts on list prices.

Shares of US Airways fell $2.42, or 5.1 percent, to $45.02 at 2:15 p.m. in New York Stock Exchange composite trading. It was their biggest drop since Jan. 24. Shares of most other U.S. airlines also declined as the price of jet fuel for immediate delivery in New York Harbor rose as much as 1.9 percent.

US Airways has held talks to buy or lease planes from Air Canada parent ACE Aviation Holdings Inc. to quickly acquire jets capable of flying nonstop between Philadelphia and Shanghai. The airline wants to start that route in 2008 if approved by the U.S. Department of Transportation, and lacks planes with enough range for the 7,400-mile trip.

China Route

"If we get the China route, we'll need to get aircraft for that," Kerr said. "There are aircraft out there we can get."

US Airways has 356 aircraft in its main fleet: 205 Airbus jets, 148 Boeings and three Embraer E190s. The airline's twin- engine 737s date to the late 1980s and are its oldest aircraft, according to Airclaims, an industry database.

The carrier has 37 firm orders for Airbus planes to be delivered in 2008 through 2010. US Airways also has firm orders for 22 Embraer E190 100-seat jets to be delivered this year through 2012. It holds options to add to both orders.


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nwafan20
2007-03-15, 03:29 PM
Does anyone really expect USAirways to actually buy a Boeing airplane? That isn't going to happen any time soon.

hiss srq
2007-03-15, 05:20 PM
I would beg to differ. Contrary to what the "armchair" CEO's of Airliners.net and other places have been saying it may well happen. There is more talk to Boeing right now than Airbus at USAirways about a purchase. That and just because US fly's the largest Airbus fleet in the world it is not a reason to count out the stuff made in the good old US of A. Performance statistics along put the 737-900 as a front runner in the race. A 60 airplane order is enough to really justify a new fleet type and this plays well for the 737 fleet crew because the 737 maintains common type rateing with diffrences training which means that the transition will be easy and the commonality of the CFM through the entire east fleet minus the 190 means MX powerplant training is bare minimal.

nwafan20
2007-03-15, 05:43 PM
But what I am saying is I don't expect US Airways to stab Airbus in the back after Airbus shelled out money to US.

Alex T
2007-03-15, 05:46 PM
I do believe US Airways re paid it all back to Airbus, so US "owes" nothing to Airbus. If I am right, which I do not know at the moment.



Alex

njgtr82
2007-03-15, 05:48 PM
But what I am saying is I don't expect US Airways to stab Airbus in the back after Airbus shelled out money to US.
But if US Airways wants to expand here soon, can they really wait at least 8 years for new metal? They did help them out but this is still a business to make money.

hiss srq
2007-03-15, 05:55 PM
Looking at performance stats for the 739 side of things and knowing the 321 fairly intamitely I think the 739 will be a more viable plane. It would more than likely get LAS and CLT bases for Carribean and heavy runs out of LAS . Even though you have the ability to "bump" thrust on the 321 for hot takeoffs it has issues with second stage climbs and getting up into higher cold flight levels when you go with a full boat and tanks topped. The 321 is slightly underpowered.

PHL Approach
2007-03-15, 08:31 PM
But what I am saying is I don't expect US Airways to stab Airbus in the back after Airbus shelled out money to US.

Your forgetting this is the 'New US Airways'. Just because the 'old US Airways' didn't do it means nothing to Parker.

LGA777
2007-03-17, 11:25 PM
hiss srq is right on the money. The 321 just can't do what the 739ER can and especially with the large operations in PHX and LAS, US needs more performance than the 321 can offer. But since the 739 would be a 757 replacement and you don't need something that big to replace the 733 I see a mixed order. 739ER for the 757's, and 319/320's for the 733, with the 787 as a 767 and eventually A330 replacement. Boeing offering generous 787 delivery slots to US makes this I think very likely. While it does create a niche fleet of probably 30-40 739ER remember pre-meger HP a niche fleet of only 15 757's and pre-merger US around 31 so it is viable. And as previously said the Airbus loan was paid in FULL (years early) at a very nice profit for Airbus.

Regards

LGA777

DHG750R
2007-03-18, 02:14 AM
In business there really is very little if any loyalty. There is absoloutely no reason to believe that US would not buy not just the 737-900ER but a variety of the 737NG series. Remember they are replacing not just the 757 with this order, but the numerous 737-300/400's

I might be wrong but I would expect Boeing to pull out all stops for this one , that aside I believe you'll see nore than just the -900ER but a mix of -800 and -900ER's

As previously stated above , the A321 doesnt perform as well promised or as hoped for . It is at it's best from stage lengths up to about 1500miles .

Last time I was in PIT, I watched an A321 during its takeoff run going transcon . Reminded me of a very heavy 727

PHL Approach
2007-03-18, 02:55 AM
I watched an A321 once during its takeoff run at PIT . Reminded me of a very heavy 727

Agreed! As some guys may remember this quote "The A321 is just a Futtermanized 757" I think the A321 is the worse plane flying around. I hate flying on them.

Edit: Futt, if you read this. Did you ever get on a 757 finally? :lol: