A380 to JFK/ORD/IAD in Mid-March

[Iberia A340-600]

Lufthansa will be chartering an A380 from Airbus to fly test routes to the US in Mid-March.

Airports that can expect a visit are ORD, IAD, and JFK.

Dates are tentative and are apparently still being discussed but March 19th or the 20th seem to be the dates for JFK.

The thread will be kept updated on the latest info.

[heeshung]

Ooh...I hope it's true.

Did some Googling and got: http://www.ans.dhmi.gov.tr/TR/ATCTR/dok ... c%2004.pdf (http://www.ans.dhmi.gov.tr/TR/ATCTR/dok/A380/JFK%20ICAO%203%20Dec%2004.pdf)

Check the last page. It says, "Spring 07-A380 at JFK"

Not sure if it's accurate or not since it looks like the pdf was made in December '04.

[Winglets747]

How would this test flights work (if it is true)? Will it be a regular flight, or a special one with invited pax? I can't imagine SQ would be happy to have some other airline be the "first in flight". :?

-Will

[Iberia A340-600]

How would this test flights work (if it is true)? Will it be a regular flight, or a special one with invited pax? I can't imagine SQ would be happy to have some other airline be the "first in flight". :?

-Will

I believe it would be a test flight for the Lufthansa crew using one of the production A380 models. I'm sure Singapore would not mind because Lufthansa and China Southern have already run similar flights. The test flights around France with passengers had Lufthansa crew onboard and when the A380 recently visited China, China Southern crew ran the flight.

[cancidas]

probably just a test flight for LH ground personnel to see the airplane, check gates and equipment as well as the field to see if they can accomodate the airplane.

[h2opunk1822]

if you look over at t1.. there already is a double decker gate being built for the 380.. so with my guess... its gonna be the lufty!!... which will be nice.. b/c i miss the 74

[T-Bird76]

Well it will be cool to see her but don't expect to see this bird more then twice a day at JFK after she's flying. In the begining we'll prob see her from Luft, Air France, Virgin, and Emirates but look to see these airlines switch back to 747s perhaps the new 747-8, 787s, and A340s. The 380 is simply not economically viable for large scale JFK ops. Asia will be the place to see these birds.

[hiss srq]

I will be waiting there with my camera newly in debt to buy a big spankin telephoto lense for that event. If it happens.......................

[moose135]

I will be waiting there with my camera newly in debt to buy a big spankin telephoto lense for that event. If it happens.......................

With the size of the 380, I think you might want to invest in a wide angle lens :D

I'm not an Airbus fan, but I'll be out there with the rest of you when she comes in.

[Iberia A340-600]

March 19th.

[jakbar]

March 19th.

Where did you find a confirmation about this date?

[Iberia A340-600]

March 19th.

Where did you find a confirmation about this date?

Another thread on Airliners

[T-Bird76]

[quote="Iberia A340-600":948b2]March 19th.

Where did you find a confirmation about this date?

Another thread on Airliners[/quote:948b2]

Don't take A.net rumors as a confirmation, lots of those posts are pure rumor. I bet someone working on the A380 heard from the dude who puts in the A380's toliets who knows the guy who chases the birds away on the runway who heard from a guy in the next bathroom stall over his girlfriend said that her friend who works the customer service counter at CDG that his firend heard the A380 is a flying whale and that March 19th she's going to New York.

[mirrodie]

As Tom said, I would also not trust that rumor.

In fact, if I were you, I would not change those Carribean Tickets just yet.



I have a gut feeling its on a different date. Not a rumor, just a feeling.

[Iberia A340-600]

[quote=jakbar][quote="Iberia A340-600":bda1f]March 19th.

Where did you find a confirmation about this date?

Another thread on Airliners[/quote:bda1f]

Don't take A.net rumors as a confirmation, lots of those posts are pure rumor. I bet someone working on the A380 heard from the dude who puts in the A380's toliets who knows the guy who chases the birds away on the runway who heard from a guy in the next bathroom stall over his girlfriend said that her friend who works the customer service counter at CDG that his firend heard the A380 is a flying whale and that March 19th she's going to New York.[/quote:bda1f]

I think it was actually the guy who installed the tail-camera. :wink:

I also don't trust it 100% as I know Airbus can change things around a lot and also that we have not heard directly from Airbus or Lufthansa that the A380 will be at JFK on the 19th.

[Matt Molnar]

It could be the date, since it's been mentioned before, though the guy who posted this new thread writes in all caps which lessens his credibility somewhat.

In addition to LH introducing the new model to their New York staffers, I'm guessing they will launch a full PR push with round-the-city flights for media-types as Airbus did in London today.

[SoPictureThis]

airbus people have been really slow with the A380 program, so let's hope they delay the JFK flight even more cuz I'll be arriving back at JFK on March 19th at 8pm on AA from LAX...and it'd be dark, and I'd probably miss it cuz I'm sure it'd come during the day, and i'd cry, and ya...

so in conclusion...pray to the airbus gods that they bring it another day? it seems like Gordon wouldn't mind that either, huh? :P

- Josh

[hiss srq]

"Speaking on behalf of the Airbus god" It will be what it will be. Oh and come out to Long Beach for crying out loud!

[GrummanFan]

I just hope we get an official date and time soon so I can make travel plans and get out of my classes. And I'm probably going to need to bum a ride off of someone in the area form an Airtran station, so I hope someone will be able to help me out when the time comes. Worse comes to worse, I'll walk to the best spotting location.

I just want to see this beast with my own eyes. :D

[Iberia A340-600]

airbus people have been really slow with the A380 program, so let's hope they delay the JFK flight even more cuz I'll be arriving back at JFK on March 19th at 8pm on AA from LAX...and it'd be dark, and I'd probably miss it cuz I'm sure it'd come during the day, and i'd cry, and ya...

so in conclusion...pray to the airbus gods that they bring it another day? it seems like Gordon wouldn't mind that either, huh? :P

- Josh

I would not mind one bit if the A380 was pushed back for JFK, just as long as it happens after March 24th!

If the A380 does indeed end up coming to JFK on the 19th apparently it will also be visiting ORD on the 28th on behalf of Lufthansa and my dad has already promised me that we would go see it there.

Not to imply anything but right now jet Blue is offering some nice fares to ORD on the 28th!

[nikon50bigma]

What time do you guys think she'll be there, at JFK?

[Iberia A340-600]

What time do you guys think she'll be there, at JFK?

No idea and it isn't even 100% confirmed yet that she will be coming in on the 19th.

I'm sure we will here more soon.

As per options for me and my dad to get from Dominica to JFK and then fly back from JFK to Martinique I have exhausted ever possibility! I have found flights on LIAT, American, jet Blue, US AIrways Caribbean Airlines, and Delta so far but prices are a bit high!

[Tom_Turner]

A monday sounds about right. But who knows. We'll see.

At least we'll know by the time it comes.

A few years back a couple of guys flew up from Florida solely on *one* lone A.net Rumor the AN-225 was coming to JFK .... It came, they saw it and nailed it.

Some guys in NY were told it wasn't coming, stayed at work and missed it.

It'll be easier to find out this time :)

Tom

[Iberia A340-600]

A brief mention of the tour:

http://www.atwonline.com/news/story.html?storyID=7850

[Iberia A340-600]

Apparently it has been verified now and it looks like 19th for JFK and 20th for ORD.

Looks like I'll be missing it... :(

[pgengler]

For those curious about how it's been verified:
Chicago Tribune: O'Hare to get preview of Airbus' biggest star (http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/southsouthwest/chi-0702090277feb09,1,7283734.story?ctrack=1&cset=true)


The Airbus A380, a double-deck airliner that can be outfitted with more than 850 seats, is tentatively set to land at O'Hare on March 20, a day after its arrival at Kennedy International Airport in New York on a test flight from Frankfurt, Germany, officials said.

[Ari707]

I'm coming back from MCO on the 19th landing at 4:40 I hope I can see it from the plane

[SoPictureThis]

somebody PLEASE post when they find out its arrival/departure times!!! That quote from the paper said that it is expect to visit ORD the day after its visit to JFK. So, it sounds like it might stay at JFK overnight on the 19th and fly to ORD on the 20th? If that was the case, it sounds like a departure shot of the A380 would be possible on the 20th...OR...do you all think its going to go back to Frankfurt, then to ORD? I wasn't sure if this was a tour purely in U.S. airspace or if it would be visiting ORD IAD and JFK from Frankfurt respectively. Anybody know?

- J

[Futterman]

Definitely huge news, but the article still says that the dates are "tentative". And it figures...the 19th is my first day of classes after spring break. Maybe it's a blessing in disguise that I haven't bought my tickets to come home yet. :)

[GrummanFan]

And it figures...the 19th is my first day of classes after spring break.

You know how I'm going to deal with that same problem? Skip 'em! (Intro to Lit, or A380...not a hard choice here)

[Iberia A340-600]

I can't get this out of my head, I am so disappointed!

Today during school I was in a slump because of this and whenever somebody asked what was up I told them and of course they did not understand whatsoever. I came up with saying it was like your favorite band playing in your backyard while you where going to be in Brazil or something.

[hiss srq]

I can care less if USAirways offewrs me a jumpseat on an A-321 the day this thing comes for me to come to work I will be at JFK not LGA

[mikephotos]

Just heard the 19th is pretty much set (for now), inbound around 1330. Will post if I find out more.

Mike

[nwafan20]

Dang, I was hoping they might delay it till after May so I could fly down to catch it! March is a no-go for me.

[SoPictureThis]

do you all think it'll depart to ORD from JFK? If so, on the 19th or 20th I wonder...

[Iberia A340-600]

do you all think it'll depart to ORD from JFK? If so, on the 19th or 20th I wonder...

Josh if you end up missing her at JFK it looks like she will be at IAD on the 25th and 26th!

[PhilDernerJr]

Not to stir it up more, but I heard that the A380 will be coming mid-morning on February 23rd.

[Futterman]

Not sure about that, Phil, but keep an eye out. I hear it's pretty easy to miss...

Anyway, I just got off the phone with a very reliable source who confirmed that the A380 will visit JFK on Monday, March 19, at approximately noon. It seems that it will depart at about 10pm that evening for ORD and may return to JFK later the following night on the way back to FRA.

Brian

[SengaB]

23rd to what airport Phil?

[Iberia A340-600]

I just read that this will be the dates/times

18.03.07: TLS - FRA /an 18:30
20.03.07: FRA - JFK /ab 12:00
21.03.07: JFK - ORD - JFK
22.03.07: JFK - FRA /an 07:55
23.03.07: FRA - NRT /ab 15:00
25.03.07: NRT - FRA /an 15:40
25.03.07: FRA - IAD /ab 18:00
27.03.07: IAD - FRA / an 06:20
27.03.07: FRA ?? - TLS

(The times (an=arrival, ab=departure) are local time in FRA.)

Not sure how reliable they are...

Phil keep us posted about the 23rd.

[SoPictureThis]

hmm....out of curiousity, what's your source Gordon?

so perhaps now the A380 will be visiting us on the 20th?! EXCELLENTTTT...If it departs on the 20th from FRA at 1200, that means it'll arrive at JFK around 1500! This could be GREAT news for me...dang I hope this is true!!! I trust we'll all keep each other updated if we find out anything.

- Josh

P.S. I was bored at work today and I make int'l calls all the time there, so I thought I'd take the opportunity to practice my french and call airbus headquaters to see if I could shed any light on the much anticipated arrival of the giant! I mentioned I was media (which wasn't a lie, as I work for a major travel magazine), and was connected with a very nice lady in PR. She told me although she cannot confirm any date at the moment, it has been decided that the A380 will be visiting the U.S. sometime in mid-March. Additionally, she said that dates are under discussion and will be decided upon within a week! :D

[Iberia A340-600]

Josh,

The source does not seem very reliable at the moment, I read this off of a model aircraft forum.

Let us know if they get back to you on the dates because it would just be awesome to see the A380 at JFK rather then flying down to IAD. I mean sure I'd love to get down to IAD for a day of spotting on jet Blue and the E-190 but seeing it at my home airport would mean so much more.

[SoPictureThis]

AGREED! i will give them a call again maybe friday and see if any developments have been made...JFK all the way! woohoo! 8)

- J

[markg]

Just heard the 19th is pretty much set (for now), inbound around 1330. Will post if I find out more.

Mike

Lufthansa just issued a press release that the A380 will fly from Frankfurt to JFK on 3/19. No more details on times or other routings. Press release is here http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html/pr ... 59/HOM&s=0 (http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html/presse/pressemeldungen/index.html?c=nachrichten/app/show/en/2007/02/659/HOM&s=0)

[SengaB]

Does anyone have any information on what time the A380 will depart JFK on the 20th?

Senga

[markg]

Does anyone have any information on what time the A380 will depart JFK on the 20th?

Senga

I sent an email today to public affairs at LH asking the same question. I've not had a response yet, but will post here when/if I do!

[SengaB]

KK thx :)
Senga

[nikon50bigma]

So is the deffinate date, March 19th?

[Futterman]

Does anyone have any information on what time the A380 will depart JFK on the 20th?

Senga

Senga,

As of now, it'll be departing JFK for ORD on Monday the 19th around 10pm. Granted, that's what I was told before the press release was issued and Chicago was still on the books, so take it with a grain of salt.


So is the deffinate date, March 19th?

Yes, Monday, March 19th. Will arrive "around noon".

Brian

[Iberia A340-600]

Does anyone know if IAD is confirmed for the 25th/26th?

[SengaB]

Brian,
So I gueess JFK will have the A380 for 1 day then. I thoight it was the 20th...

Gordon,
The last thing o heard abot times into IAD was that the Balt-Wash group says that they will have a night time arrival and a night time departure into IAD. They don't know if they will get some test flighs yet during the day.

Senga

[Matt Molnar]

I was hoping there'd be some kind of media event that I could wrangle my way into...the release talks only about Airbus and LH employees onboard, but I'll keep an eye out anyway.

Does anyone know if 007 is the same copy that did the media event at London?

[nikon50bigma]

Monday, I thought it was a Sunday? Great no I won't be able to make it because of school.....*sigh*

[Iberia A340-600]

Gordon,
The last thing o heard abot times into IAD was that the Balt-Wash group says that they will have a night time arrival and a night time departure into IAD. They don't know if they will get some test flighs yet during the day.

Senga

Thanks for the info Senga. As long is she is there during daylight I think it would still be worth it to go down an see her.

And Nikon50,

Never let education get in the way of a major milestone like this. ;)

For the last British Airways Concorde departure from JFK I skipped school and it was well worth it.

[Tom_Turner]

Monday, I thought it was a Sunday? Great no I won't be able to make it because of school.....*sigh*

School will still be there waiting for you the next day.....

Tom

[SengaB]

Gordon, At IAD
It probably won't be shootable at IAD once it gets on the ground unless you have "access". However if it does go to the DLH gate you can get it from the Garage.
Senga

[SengaB]

We all have to make "sacrifices" right? I assume that also means when theres somehting we want :)

Senga

[jakbar]

I'm flying to New York (and missing work) for the 3/19 arrival. Looking forward to it!

Josh

[SoPictureThis]

I am now a member on the list of media who will be notified when a final date(s) time(s) of arrival/departure have been scheduled. There most certainly will be a media event, and I found it very interesting that I was told today by the press contact of Airbus North America that I can expect a media event to take place at JFK on March 21. Dates keep changing, it's drivin' me nuts! :x

Now, that's not to say that the A380 wont arrive/depart on the 19th or 20th...it's just now we can assume that it is probable there will be a media event at JFK on the 21st. Again, who knows....everything is so tentative!!

I will let everyone know as soon as I hear something from this person. It seems like it might pay to be a member of the media :P

- Josh

[SengaB]

Whats going on here?
SO WHAT DAY IS THE PLANE SUPPOSED TO ARRIVE AT JFK NOW?

This is making me nervous

Senga

[mikephotos]

My source is still saying Monday 3/19 but the real date will be the day before Senga arrives or the day after he departs :)

Mike

[SengaB]

You know it Mike.....Thats the way it always has to be.

I'll be there from March 17th-20th. I hope I don't have to change the times.
Senga

[markg]

Gordon, At IAD
It probably won't be shootable at IAD once it gets on the ground unless you have "access". However if it does go to the DLH gate you can get it from the Garage.
Senga

I heard they were negotiating with AF for the use of their gates at IAD.

[Nonstop2AUH]

Any chance at all she would turn up at JFK on the 18th? I promised to see a friend off on the Etihad to AUH that evening and seeing the A380 and maybe meeting up with some of you would be a nice bonus!

[nikon50bigma]

Monday, I thought it was a Sunday? Great no I won't be able to make it because of school.....*sigh*

School will still be there waiting for you the next day.....

Tom

You are 100% correct! Does anyone think it might come in Monday instead?

[jakbar]

You are 100% correct! Does anyone think it might come in Monday instead?

Monday is the 19th, and that is the day it is supposed to come to JFK. So far I haven't heard otherwise.

[FlyingColors]

Any other word on when at JFK ?????

Will she arrive one day and leave the next?

Times?

[Winglets747]

Does anyone know if 007 is the same copy that did the media event at London?

The A380 that flew into LHR on May 18 was F-WWDD, cn 004.

F-WWDD has been to DXB (in EK colors) and SIN (in SQ colors), and has sported LH and Ethiad titles. She's also been to Berlin, KEF..

Quite the media queen. :wink:

[KC]

Goodafternoon,
I an new here at this forum. I live in Brusels, Belgium and I am exercising the same passionate aviation-hobby on the other side of the Atlantic .

To what concerns the rumour about the A380, I found following article on AirlinersGallery ( http://airlinersgallery.blogspot.com ) :

"The A380 is coming to LAX on Monday March 19

Airbus (Toulouse) in cooperation with QANTAS Airways is bringing the Airbus A380 on a test flight to Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) on Monday March 19. This is the same day when an A380 is also expected to make its first visit to New York's JFK International Airport. Two A380s will introduce the new airliner to America. QANTAS Airways is expected to be the first A380 operator at LAX next year."

Regards, Karl

[Matt Molnar]

Thanks for sharing that, KC. Interesting that both Lufthansa and Qantas are involved in these events, yet the plane they're using will be delivered to Etihad. :)

Also, welcome to the boards!

[Matt Molnar]

Oh, I see now, that blog was not very clear. They will be staging SIMULTANEOUS LANDINGS AT JFK AND LAX on March 19th!


Airbus Super Jumbo Jet To Debut At JFK, LAX
Simultaneous Landings In NYC And L.A. On March 19

(CBS/AP) QUEENS The U.S. debut of Airbus' new line of super jumbo A380 jets will include landings at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport and Los Angeles International Airport.

On March 19, an A380 will land at Kennedy while another A380 simultaneously lands at Los Angeles, city officials said Wednesday. Specific details of the landing events were not immediately released.

Los Angeles officials had recently been upset to learn that Airbus decided to inaugurate A380 flights to the United States with an initial landing in New York.

L.A. officials contended Airbus was reneging on a promise to make the first U.S. stop in Los Angeles, which kept a promise to speed up construction of new $9 million gate for the giant jet.

[tsnamm]

the LAX landing is supposed to be at 9AM so that means JFK should be 12PM...should be nice view over at T1...

[Nycfly75]

According to a.net, the LH 380 will be here from March 19-21 with a JFK-ORD-JFK turn on the 20th.

March 19 FRA JFK Deutsche Lufthansa
March 20 JFK ORD JFK Deutsche Lufthansa
March 21 JFK
March 21 JFK FRA Deutsche Lufthansa

[PhilDernerJr]

If thats accurate, then that's really damn cool.

[ILS25L]

Goodafternoon,
According a magazine "Air and Cosmos" (French magazine), A380 MSN007 leaves Francfurt for New York with 500 passengers on board (Airbus and LH-staff). The objective is to test all crew and passengers facilities on board. Afterwards, the aircraft should fly on to Washington, Hong Kong and return to Munich.
Greetz, Karl

[Nycfly75]

Goodafternoon,
According a magazine "Air and Cosmos" (French magazine), A380 MSN007 leaves Francfurt for New York with 500 passengers on board (Airbus and LH-staff). The objective is to test all crew and passengers facilities on board. Afterwards, the aircraft should fly on to Washington, Hong Kong and return to Munich.
Greetz, Karl

Hello Karl,

Information seems to confirm that it will go from JFK to ORD on the 20th. As for it going back to JFK after that, it sounds like it will, but its not confirmed. You are the first to mention its going to IAD and then HKG from JFK.

[markg]

I just sent an email to our LH sales rep.

She says it will be in JFK on 3/21. That's the information they were given yesterday!

[SengaB]

Mark, is that an arrival on the 21st? or will it still be on the ground on the 21st?
Senga

[markg]

Not sure Senga.

There's another thread on here that seems to have it down for an arrival on 3/19, going to ORD and back on the 20th then staying all day on the 21st, presumably for the press/travel managers. I hinted to the rep at the possibilty of getting access, but was told my manager would get an invite and not me :-(

Now if only I can bribe my manager!

[SengaB]

Wow this A380 info is sure a mess. I hope we don't get to the day before we find out 100 percent.

Senga

[pgengler]

I found this from the NY Times website (http://www.nytimes.com/2007/03/06/business/06memo.html?_r=1&oref=slogin):


An A380 airliner with about 500 passengers aboard will arrive at Kennedy International Airport from Frankfurt around noon on March 19 in a test flight to demonstrate what its operator, Lufthansa, and its manufacturer, Airbus, call the A380’s “operational maturity.”

[mikephotos]

Want an exclusive viewing, enter the following contest. Please do not share this link on other websites or forums. This is for NYCAviation only. (If you received this link from another source, you may of course do what you please with it)

http://www.lufthansa-usa.com/A380/

The questions are really easy, use the "hints"....

Mike

[Ari707]

I've entered butI will be in Paris on the 19th so if I win.....I guess it goes to the highest bidder.......

[Iberia A340-600]

Thanks for the link Mike!

It has leaked out onto the forums at airliners.net now...

[Tom_Turner]

Word on A.net is it will be in Airbus House colors - which I think is just great.

So many want full Luftansa colors, but we'll be seeing that eventually anyway.

Tom

[SengaB]

YUMMY! :)

Senga

[Mateo]

Anybody notice that, if you win, you have 4 hours to either respond to their phone call or e-mail. Spotter rennt.

[knish1231]

Just my luck. I am starting my new job on Monday the 19th. Do you think my employer will look down on calling in sick on my first day. LOL.

Pete

[Jonesbeach]

Pete,

I feel for you. I started a new job on March 1st and can't take a sick day so soon. The worst part is that I used to have rooftop access to Terminal 9 which has a great sight line to Terminal 1's gate next to the Van Wyck. Ohh well, it would have been nice to be around for that.

[fly.mcs]

Hey guys! I'm excited about the A380 coming to JFK as all of you are. But as for photography, I know this is hard to predict now, but which runway would it most likely come in on? If the 31s are in use, 31L? It's the longest runway at JFK and is also in the vicinity of T1. I'm hoping for this one.. as for lenses, which are you guys thinking about? How would wide lenses work out?

Thanks for any info =]

[Winglets747]

Taken from the T&C from this thread (http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=5644)


One (1) winner will receive a pair of tickets to a reception at JFK Airport Wednesday, March, 21, 2007 at 4:00pm followed by a tour the World's largest Jet, the Airbus A380.

So the A380 will definitely be on the ground at JFK on March 21.

[SengaB]

Here it is. I think this post should be a new topic but I'll post here.
The following information and time table is on the A380 movments into the US. It should kill and further hearsay and incomplete information that have plagued this thread for the last month.

PUBLIC INFORMATION
Regarding A380 (two aircraft) Visit to United States
(as of 3-5-07 12.25)
(“MSN” = Manufacturers Serial Number)

Monday March 19, 2007
A380 MSN #1
Arrives at LAX 9:30 local
Static display for media and invited guests - specifics to be announced

A380 MSN #7
Arrives at JFK 12.30 local
Static display for invited media in late afternoon - specifics to be announced

Tuesday March 20, 2007
A380 MSN #7
11.20 Departs JFK (no guests/press on flight)
13.00 Lands ORD
14.30-15.00 Static display for invited media
15.30-17.30 Static display for invited guests (no media) at ORD
19.40 Departs JFK en route JFK
23.00 Lands at JFK
A380 MSN TBD
19.45 Departs LAX

Wednesday March 21, 2007
A380 MSN #7
-10.30 Invited Media and VIP demo flight JFK-JFK
13.00-17.00 Static display for invited guests (no media)
22.00 Departs JFK en route FRA

Sunday March 25, 2007
A380 MSN #7
22.00 Lands at IAD

Monday March 26, 2007
A380 MSN #7
7.00 - 8.30 Static display for media
11.00 - 12.30 Invited Media and VIP demo flight IAD-IAD
14.00 - 18.00 Static display for invited guests (no media)
22.00 Departs IAD for FRA

Senga

[PhilDernerJr]

Senga, do you know any other details about the flight by chance?

[SengaB]

Hehhe I knew somoene was going to ask that! :)

I know nothing else I'm sorry. If I get anything new I will be sure to post.

Senga

[FlyingColors]

"10.30 Invited Media and VIP demo flight JFK-JFK"

She will depart at 10:30?

[SengaB]

Mike, Affirmative.

I can only imagine what a Tom Turner 31L departure would be like with the A380.

[moose135]

So far, the 10 day forecast on Intellicast.com is showing partly cloudy and 43 degrees for 3/19. Hope it stays like that!

[VikHathi]

Looks like 21st might be an even more opportune day for spotting - you get a take off and a landing in a span of what 30 min to 1hr?? that too in morning light.

Hopefully the winds will be in favor and you get a 31L departure and a sweet bank before canarsie. That would be nice.

What would be even nicer, a touch-n-go at EWR!! OHH YEAH!

-Vik

[FlyingColors]

Looks like 21st might be an even more opportune day for spotting - you get a take off and a landing in a span of what 30 min to 1hr?? that too in morning light.

Hopefully the winds will be in favor and you get a 31L departure and a sweet bank before canarsie. That would be nice.

What would be even nicer, a touch-n-go at EWR!! OHH YEAH!

-Vik

That's what I'm thinking too.

Furthermore, I can't leave work for 3 days for a "dumb airplane" and could only get away for one viewing. Looks like the 21st has the best bang for the buck.

[Bellucciman]

I'm finally all set! Took the day off and am planning a full day at JFK for this ship. I can't wait to see it!

[moose135]

Yeah, I confirmed with the boss this morning - she's been out of town the last week & a half, and I was worried I would get a hassle, but I got the day off. I may need to see if I can make Wednesday a "late day" and get the morning demo flight departure & arrival.

[nikon50bigma]

Where will it be parked for the time being that it will be at JFK?
Unforunatly I still have school that day and won't be able to see the landing.

[FlightShadow]

Yes does anyone know where it'll be parked? I will be in JFK that day, is there any chance I could see it from the terminal?

[dlx737200]

Just wanted to make everyone aware, if anyone cares, Joey Collura and myself intend on being present on the 19th at JFK to watch this beast's first arrival at JFK, pending flight availability on Delta. Looking forward to seeing many people out there!

-Justin

[tsnamm]

I hope to be rampside for this bad boy!!!

[mikephotos]

Ah, shoot...the Orlando boys are coming. Time to leave town... That Justin guy is just too much trouble :) (How was that late flight back to MCO?)

Can't say this is 100% but expect 31L arrival with slow taxi over to T1 for parking.

Mike

[G-BOAD]

If so, would inwood park be a good spot?

[nikon50bigma]

Wow sounds like this is gonna be a turnout with a lot of spotters. I hope the weather is going to be good, for prime shooting.
If I were to take the air train and take it around the airport, would it pass by where it will be parked?

[Winglets747]

If I were to take the air train and take it around the airport, would it pass by where it will be parked?

If it does park at T1, you'll be able to see some part of it. Some of the T1 gates you only see for a second or two, others a bit more. All views would be at weird angles. Hope for it to park at gate 4, 6, 8, or 10 if it does park at T1.

[INTENSS]

I'll be heading up to NY for this one as well....will be in town Sunday through Tuesday. It'll be nice to finally get to meet some of you...


-Rich

[SengaB]

What side of Terminal 1 does DLH park at usually?

I seem to remember seeing it on both sides?
If its on the inside then you can get a great shot- provided the sun isn't out.

Senga

[Winglets747]

What side of Terminal 1 does DLH park at usually?

I seem to remember seeing it on both sides?

Both sides, although I generally see the LH 744 on the odd side.

Which T1 gates are capable of handling the A380?


A press release was issued for the LAX arrival stating that 24R would be used for the arrival and then detailing the taxi/parking movement. Has there been a similar press release for the JFK arrival?

http://www.sys-con.com/read/348627.htm (Check out all the details...wow)

[dlx737200]

Ah, shoot...the Orlando boys are coming. Time to leave town... That Justin guy is just too much trouble :) (How was that late flight back to MCO?)

Can't say this is 100% but expect 31L arrival with slow taxi over to T1 for parking.

Mike

Haha Mike. Watch out! That late return was good. First class :). Sat next to a EMB-120 captain the whole way home. Had some nice conversations. Good meal too. How was your last day in LA?

Back on topic... Anyone seen the latest weather forecast? Rain on Monday. :( Hope that changes.

[T-Bird76]

NOAA's calling for partly cloudy, which if she comes in on the 31s on time your not going to want a bright sunny day. The sun is going to be ontop of her. Sun through clouds or light clouds will provide you with better results.

[Wagz]

Alright its official. Looks I'll be heading up to JFK for this beast as well. Looks like I'll be the only PHLer making up though.

Closer to Monday's event depending on what the weather forcasts say I'll have to coordinate with some of the NYers to figure out exactly where I should go when I come up there. I'm not thoroughly familiar with the area.

Joe Wagner, PHL

[LGA777]

Re the parking at T1 the A-380 will be parking on gates 1 and 2 and there may be a decent view from the upper level departure roadway especially upon arrival.

Regards LGA777

[K9DEP]

DLH usually has a daily 747 flight that comes in on the left side of T1. It is the first gate on the side. I usually walk from T4 acroos Delta and Song's terminal sidewalks and can get a good veiw of that gate.

[VikHathi]

A press release was issued for the LAX arrival stating that 24R would be used for the arrival and then detailing the taxi/parking movement. Has there been a similar press release for the JFK arrival?

http://www.sys-con.com/read/348627.htm (Check out all the details...wow)

Winglets747 thanks for the details on the LA run.

24R that is gonna be an awesome vantage point - especially if you get up on the top floor of TheParkingSpot garage.

Checking out the logistics, they are really going all out for the LA arrival - even the mayor is showing up. I wonder if there will be a similar reception at JFK.

-Vik

[Nonstop2AUH]

Pity there aren't the sort of festivities here as will be at LAX, but NYC is just not an aviation-minded town. Bloombucks will probably send Dan Doctoroff or Iris Weinshall or some other junior official/flunkie (if anybody), because if he wants to see a big airplane that was made in France, he can hop in his Falcon and fly to one of his several homes around the world!

[VikHathi]

Bloombucks will probably send Dan Doctoroff or Iris Weinshall or some other junior official/flunkie (if anybody), because if he wants to see a big airplane that was made in France, he can hop in his Falcon and fly to one of his several homes around the world!
haha... Thats true!

-Vik

[K9DEP]

my friend at United said while he was leaving JFK the captain said that the A380 was coming on Sunday.

[T-Bird76]

my friend at United said while he was leaving JFK the captain said that the A380 was coming on Sunday.

Sounds like a well informed source to me..... :roll: Go post your rumors elsewhere....

[Winglets747]

Pity there aren't the sort of festivities here as will be at LAX, but NYC is just not an aviation-minded town.

Well LAX *did* throw a sissy fit when the A380 was originally going to come to just JFK, so I guess they can't seem like party poopers. :lol:


(Note: I think LAX had every right to complain, given that Airbus did say LAX would be the first US city to see the A380.)

[PhilDernerJr]

my friend at United said while he was leaving JFK the captain said that the A380 was coming on Sunday.

He's very wrong. This is a highly publicized event.

[Speedbird1]

According to reports, Airbus A380, reg. MSN7, will visit JFK from Frankfurt on March 19 but no time is given. At the same time, sister aircraft MSN1 is due to arrive at LAX. This reminds me of the simultaneous Concorde arrivals for the Concorde years ago. The JFK arrival will then fly on to ORD but will return the following day, March 20, before returning to Frankfurt.

[Delta777LR]

Any idea which runways the Airbus A380 might come in on? i really want to be there to catch it coming in.

[moose135]

Any idea which runways the Airbus A380 might come in on? i really want to be there to catch it coming in.

I'll let you know Monday morning :wink:

At this point it's too early to know - depends on what the winds are doing. Right now, all the forecasts are saying is windy with rain and snow showers :cry:

Hey, does the A-380 fit in the big EZ-Bake Oven de-icing shed?

[moose135]

This site is filled with rumors of arriving aircraft everyday. And as regards to my source(s), I probably got know more people in the industry than most of you here. I usually know what I'm talking about.
He's an F/O at United and he emailed me 3 times about it. Maybe it's not coming on Sunday and maybe (due to weather) it wont come on monday.

Sorry, I don't believe that some random F/O at United knows more than the rest of the world when it comes to the A-380 trip to the US.

Let's start with the Associated Press:

http://www.aptn.com/aptn/website_2005/h ... tpBSEvents (http://www.aptn.com/aptn/website_2005/headlines.nsf/(httpBSEvents))/2734725A5894D5878025729F005AD59D?OpenDocument


Airbus A380 to Make First Touchdown in United States
On 19 March 2007, the United States welcomes the world's largest commercial airliner at two of its largest international airports. The Airbus A380 development aircraft MSN7 will land at John F Kennedy International Airport (JFK), New York as part of a Commercial Route Proving exercise jointly performed with Deutsche Lufthansa.

How about USA Today?

http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/ ... -nyc_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/travel/flights/2007-03-01-a380-lax-nyc_x.htm)


Airbus jumbo jet to make debut landings in NYC, L.A.
LOS ANGELES (AP) — The U.S. debut of Airbus' new line of super jumbo A380 jets will include landings at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport and Los Angeles International Airport.

On March 19, an A380 will land at Kennedy while another A380 simultaneously lands at Los Angeles, city officials said Wednesday. Specific details of the landing events were not immediately released.

Maybe you prefer NY1 News?

http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.js ... &aid=67251 (http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.jsp?stid=10&aid=67251)


Airbus To Make Inaugural U.S. Landing At JFK This Month

JFK won't be the only airport where a new super jumbo jet will make its first touchdown.

Two of Airbus' new A-380 jets will make simultaneous landings at Kennedy and Los Angeles international Airport on March 19th.

Or maybe you trust the press release from Airbus?

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/pr ... oving.html (http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/pressreleases/pressreleases_items/07_03_12_A380_USA_route_proving.html)

A380 first touchdown in the United States as part of commercial Route Proving
12 March 2007

Two A380s will fly into two US destinations on 19th March, allowing both the East and West Coasts of North America to simultaneously welcome the world's largest commercial airliner, which is also the most technically advanced and environmentally friendly civil aircraft in the skies.

A380 development aircraft MSN7 will fly some 500 passengers to John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), New York, as part of the Commercial Route Proving jointly performed with Deutsche Lufthansa over a 12 day period. Simultaneously, A380 test aircraft MSN1 will land at Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) as part of an airport compatibility trial, which will be performed on the spot with the assistance of Qantas Airways.


I'll ignore the personal attacks in your post - I've promised Phil in the past that I wouldn't reply to them, so I'll give you a pass on that...but you might do well to lighten up a little. There are many people on this board with more experience and connections then you.

[jakbar]

Right now, all the forecasts are saying is windy with rain and snow showers :cry:

The National Weather Service is still showing mostly sunny, high of 41 for Monday. Its weird how most of the weather sites are showing rain, but the National Weather Service shows it being mostly sunny.

Josh

[moose135]

Its weird how most of the weather sites are showing rain, but the National Weather Service shows it being mostly sunny.

Must be those rose-colored glasses the government hands out :wink:

[lijk604]

Let's remember, we were supposed to have the "end-of-the-world" storm today, as late as the 10pm news last night they were calling for 5-10 inches on snow on the island today. Well, there is maybe 2 inches of snow/sleet outside my house. Unless there is a major change coming I do not see another 3-8 inches coming tonight.

[lijk604]

Just out of curiosity, if the weather does suck on Monday is anyone up for a day-trip to IAD Sunday the 25th when it's supposed to land there? Seats are still $50 each way on JetBlue...that is, if they can get you there and back in one-day. LOL!

[jakbar]

Its weird how most of the weather sites are showing rain, but the National Weather Service shows it being mostly sunny.

Must be those rose-colored glasses the government hands out :wink:

Those glasses must be defective, because now the National Weather Service is showing chance of rain and snow on Monday. :(

[Winglets747]

Just out of curiosity, if the weather does suck on Monday is anyone up for a day-trip to IAD Sunday the 25th when it's supposed to land there? Seats are still $50 each way on JetBlue...that is, if they can get you there and back in one-day. LOL!

Well the A380 is scheduled to arrive at 10PM on the 25th. There's a demo flight at 11AM on the 26th before she departs at 10PM.

-Will

[lijk604]

Just out of curiosity, if the weather does suck on Monday is anyone up for a day-trip to IAD Sunday the 25th when it's supposed to land there?

Well the A380 is scheduled to arrive at 10PM on the 25th. There's a demo flight at 11AM on the 26th before she departs at 10PM.

-Will

Oh....well then...that won't work will it.

[INTENSS]

I'm guessing everyone will be a little happier today when they take a look at the latest forecast for Monday. Rain/crap is out.....current forecast is partly cloudy....let's hope this sticks.

-Rich

[pgengler]

I'm guessing everyone will be a little happier today when they take a look at the latest forecast for Monday. Rain/crap is out.....current forecast is partly cloudy....let's hope this sticks.

-Rich

I'm seeing "chance of showers after 2pm", but it's definitely an improvement from "showers noon-3pm". If the weather promises to be good enough, my girlfriend might come along for it too.

[ILS25L]

Goodmorning,
So what's the latest on A380's ?
I found on a German website folowing information.
Source : http://www.rmas.de
Translation :

Planned Flighttimes of the A380 :


Saturday 17.3 ETA 11:30 from Toulouse
Sunday 18.3 from 14:30 at Position E5 parked

Monday 19,3 ETD 9:00 to New York
Thursday 22.3 ETA 10:30 from New York

Friday 23.3 ETD 15:30 to Hongkong
Sunday 25.3 ETA 18:00 from Hongkong / to Washington

Tuesday 27.3 ETA 12:00 from Washington.


And if some of you miss that beauty, have a look at this picture but do not pay attention to the figure "45".

http://coppermine.luchtzak.be/displayim ... ?pos=-9017 (http://coppermine.luchtzak.be/displayimage.php?pos=-9017)

Greetz, Karl

[PhilDernerJr]

Guys, let's talk runways.

If they are landing on the 31, will it come on left or right?

If they arelanding on the 4s, either are ok from Bayswater I assume.

If they are landing on the 22s, which one and where to shoot from at noon? Mounds still I assume.

[nikon50bigma]

I might be heading there after school, but do you guys think it will be worth it? The only way I'd be able to see it would be to take the airtrain around in hopes of seeing her. Do you guys think thats worth it?

[Winglets747]

Guys, let's talk runways.

If they are landing on the 31, will it come on left or right?

If they arelanding on the 4s, either are ok from Bayswater I assume.

If they are landing on the 22s, which one and where to shoot from at noon? Mounds still I assume.

I think our job just got easier.

This FAA memo (http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/ ... /EB_65.pdf (http://www.faa.gov/airports_airtraffic/airports/construction/engineering_briefs/media/EB_65.pdf)) recommends the A380 use runways 200 feet wide. According to this FAA map of JFK (http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0701/00610AD.PDF) 22L/4R is the only 200' wide runway.

Can anyone confirm that info?

I would hope JFK ops and Airbus would take that advice and only consider 22L/4R, but who knows...

[Speedbird1]

Will she park at Terminal One or at Terminal 4 ? She is due to land tomorrow, March 19 between 12:30 and 13:00 but could be delayed if she must use a specific runway assignment.

[moose135]

If they are landing on the 22s, which one and where to shoot from at noon? Mounds still I assume.

I would be at North Woodmere Park for a 22 arrival early in the day. You probably won't get good sun from the Mounds. I was out there this morning - got some nice shots of a C-17 coming in on 22R.

[Winglets747]

Will she park at Terminal One or at Terminal 4 ?

Ron (LGA777) on page 8 said she's parking at gates 1 and 2 at T1.

[Speedbird1]

The flight number will be LH 8940. I wasn't aware that only 22L/4R have the needed 200' width. I thought the other runways had also been widened. Regarding the arrival at LAX, it will be operated by Qantas but it's unclear if it's coming from Frankfurt or Sydney.

[Winglets747]

The flight number will be LH 8940.
Thanks!


Regarding the arrival at LAX, it will be operated by Qantas but it's unclear if it's coming from Frankfurt or Sydney.
Toulouse



So at 9:30 a.m., one of two inaugural U.S. test flights is scheduled to touch down at LAX from Toulouse, about the same time a second aircraft will land at New York's John F. Kennedy International Airport from Frankfurt, Germany.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/cus ... ines-space (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/custom/space/la-me-airbus18mar18,0,7475946.story?page=2&coll=orl-news-headlines-space)

[lijk604]

22L works for me. Less hassle at North Woodmere Park anyway.
The thing that will suck is that if we are at N. Woodmere, and they decide to send him to 31L or 31R we're sunk. I'll check back later today to see where the crew plans on being.

Just checked NOAA for JFK Terminal Forecast
KJFK 181851Z 29019KT 10SM FEW050 SCT180 03/M11 A2994 RMK AO2 PK WND 29029/1839 SLP139 T00281111

KJFK 181730Z 181818 27018G28KT P6SM SCT050
FM0300 28012KT P6SM SKC
FM1500 24009KT P6SM SCT050

Winds 240 @ 9 kts...although 9 knots is nothing too significant, it would be nice for the aircraft to have a basic headwind. :) Maybe 22L will happen.

[nwafan20]

I can tell you all are geeked for this! Do me a favor and take a pic to show how many people are there waiting for it to arrive.

[lijk604]

I can tell you all are geeked for this! Do me a favor and take a pic to show how many people are there waiting for it to arrive.

I think that can be arranged.

[SengaB]

Matt,
You are not coming for the A380?

Senga

[nwafan20]

Senga, I live in Michigan, I have school, so nope!

[stuart schechter]

Anyone coming from NYC that could possibly do a pick-up somewhere at a subway station?

[SengaB]

Whoops sorry about that. I forgot about thta little bit of information about Michigan.
Maybe it will make a tech stop off at GRR?
Senga

[Chris102]

Does anyone know the A380's flight path for tomorrow? More specifically, will it be flying over Northeastern Pennsylvania? I'd love to go to NYC tomorrow to see it, but I can't because of school :cry:

[h2opunk1822]

where do you go to school??.. one of my boys goes to school in michigan and flys into GRR??

[moose135]

Senga, I live in Michigan, I have school, so nope!

Sounds like a pretty lame excuse to me :D

[Winglets747]

Does anyone know the A380's flight path for tomorrow? More specifically, will it be flying over Northeastern Pennsylvania?
I think you're out of luck on that one.

Most European arrivals come down the eastern seaboard and cross Long Island or do a straight approach into JFK. No PA. Sorry! :(

[PhilDernerJr]

Will she park at Terminal One or at Terminal 4 ? She is due to land tomorrow, March 19 between 12:30 and 13:00 but could be delayed if she must use a specific runway assignment.

I understand that the aircraft will stop at T1, but during one of its overnight stays, it will be at a T4 hardstand.

Sorry to start a rumor, but it's what I heard.

[pinktristar]

Hi folks,

On my way down from Rhode Island to catch this historic event!

Anyone know which runway is the most likely to be used? Which viewing point I should make my way to for the better photos?

Geoff

[pinktristar]

Does anyone know the A380's flight path for tomorrow? More specifically, will it be flying over Northeastern Pennsylvania? :

On Tuesday the A380 is supposed to fly to Chicago! Quite possibly it may fly over your area enroute to/from ORD!!

Hope that helps!

Geoff

[nwafan20]

where do you go to school??.. one of my boys goes to school in michigan and flys into GRR??

Well, i'm in High School in Southeastern Michigan, near Ann Arbor.

Senga; my only hope is if it makes a tech stop at KOZW (Livingston Co.) we have a new ILS system, any hopes of getting Airbus to consider a short stop? :D Heck, our runway at 100x5002 probably couldn't even hold it!

[PhilDernerJr]

The flight number will be LH 8940. I wasn't aware that only 22L/4R have the needed 200' width. I thought the other runways had also been widened. Regarding the arrival at LAX, it will be operated by Qantas but it's unclear if it's coming from Frankfurt or Sydney.

With that, people, please keep in mind that even if all other traffic were to land on 31L/R, they might send her on the other runway anyway.

Keep your scanners tuned! What's the freq for NY Approach?

[mirrodie]

Over Jericho today, I looked south and saw a big white 4 engined bird lumbering towards us. I thought I was seeing the A380 a day early!!! As she got closer, I realized it was Air China :oops: :oops:

I'm still a newbie spotter

[Tom_Turner]

I am betting you are correct Phil.

Doesn't T1 hit full capacity at some point in the afternoon? Or nearly so? I think so.

Tom



Will she park at Terminal One or at Terminal 4 ? She is due to land tomorrow, March 19 between 12:30 and 13:00 but could be delayed if she must use a specific runway assignment.

I understand that the aircraft will stop at T1, but during one of its overnight stays, it will be at a T4 hardstand.

Sorry to start a rumor, but it's what I heard.

[Tom_Turner]

That would've been kind of funny (in a way) actually.

Tom


Over Jericho today, I looked south and saw a big white 4 engined bird lumbering towards us. I thought I was seeing the A380 a day early!!!

[Tom_Turner]

Senga - Thats your queue.....

Phil's right...Can't just listen to the Tower... it'll be too late to react.

T




With that, people, please keep in mind that even if all other traffic were to land on 31L/R, they might send her on the other runway anyway.

Keep your scanners tuned! What's the freq for NY Approach?

[njgtr82]

So here's tommorows forecast for JFK:
Text: FM1500 23010KT P6SM SCT040
Forecast period: 1500 to 2100 UTC 19 March 2007
Forecast type: FROM: standard forecast or significant change
Winds: from the SW (230 degrees) at 12 MPH (10 knots; 5.2 m/s)
Visibility: 6 miles (10 km)
Clouds: scattered clouds at 4000 feet AGL
Weather: no significant weather forecast for this period

So the winds will be favoring the 22's by far. Noon local time is 1600z.

[mirrodie]

Highheels asked me earlier this afternoon and I was not sure of the following..


They announced its arrival tomorrow on CBS 880 AM. She asked me if it was full of passengers, a revenue flight. I don't know. Is it a revenue flight? Or a flight with employees, press and dignitaries?

Come to think of it, I would think very few pax if any, this is a route proving flight, isn't it?

[PhilDernerJr]

It's not a revnue flight, as there isn't any service for it anywhere in the world.

There will be 500 members of press, from what I understand.

[pinktristar]

Highheels asked me earlier this afternoon

They announced its arrival tomorrow on CBS 880 AM. She asked me if it was full of passengers, a revenue flight. I don't know. Is it a revenue flight? Or a flight with employees, press and dignitaries?

Come to think of it, I would think very few pax if any, this is a route proving flight, isn't it?


MMmmm I wonder who highheels is!

Okay to business - here is the press release from Airbus about tomorrow's flights. The people on board are there to test the interior systems of the aircraft as if it was a regular flight!

Link here:

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/pr ... oving.html (http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre/pressreleases/pressreleases_items/07_03_12_A380_USA_route_proving.html)

Hope that helps!

Geoff

[moose135]

It's not a revenue flight, will be carrying about 550 passengers, mostly Airbus & LH employees and reporters.

[Winglets747]

Do me a favor and take a pic to show how many people are there waiting for it to arrive.

Phil and other NYCAviation gods, are we planning a group photo? I coincidentally have a 1/200 model of the A380 that I wouldn't mind boxing up and bringing along...could be a good prop in the photo.

[pgengler]

Re: runway widths:

According to Airnav (http://www.airnav.com/airport/KJFK), only 4R/22L is a 200' wide runway, all the others are 150'. However, it's also the shortest of the runways at 8400' (compared to 10000' for 13L/31R, 11351' for 4L/22R and 14572' for 13R/31L), so the runway decision might also be affected by that (but I don't know).

[Mellyrose]

Do me a favor and take a pic to show how many people are there waiting for it to arrive.

Phil and other NYCAviation gods, are we planning a group photo?

I think it would be a great idea to take a group photo once we've all gathered in one place. I'm sure we'll all be taking candid shots of each other all day.

[SengaB]

Here we go....A380 has been planned just a few moments ago.
Airline Lufthansa
Flight Number 8940
Departure City (Airport) Frankfurt, Germany (EDDF)
Departure Time 03/19/2007 10:10 AM
Arrival City (Airport) New York, NY (JFK)
Arrival Time 03/19/2007 11:54 AM
Remaining Flight Time 07:44 (planned)
Aircraft Type
Current Altitude 0 feet
Current Groundspeed 0 mph
Flight Status Planned

Senga

[G-BOAD]

Do you guys think its coming in 22L/4R? It needs wide, but it can land on short.

[Nonstop2AUH]

Cool, I like how the Aircraft Type is undefined. A380 must not yet be a choice for that field. Not going to make it out today, was actually at T4 until almost 11 last night putting a friend on the Etihad but hope you all have a great time and get some great pics here that I will salivate over since my boys in the desert are getting a few of these babies!

[Nycfly75]

FYI she's now expected in at 1129am

http://tracker.flightview.com/htNYNJPA/ ... bmit=Track (http://tracker.flightview.com/htNYNJPA/default.asp?customer=NYNJPA&mode=FTResults&airport=JFK&aln=lh&alnn=-1&alnc=lh&fn=8940&deparr=dep&ddate=20070319&Submit=Track)

[fly.mcs]

Here's what's on flytecomm:

Airline: Lufthansa
Flight Number: 8940
Departure City (Airport): Frankfurt, Germany (EDDF)
Departure Time: 03/19/2007 10:00 AM
Arrival City (Airport): New York, NY (JFK)
Arrival Time: 03/19/2007 11:45 AM
Remaining Flight Time: 04:11
Aircraft Type: A388
Current Altitude: 0 feet
Current Groundspeed: 520 mph
Flight Status: In Flight

[PhilDernerJr]

Another update:

The media evnet should be over at 1:50pm. Then, the plane will taxi to Hangar 19, which is the United hangar out back near where Evergreen (an N88ZL) used to park.

So, maybe you folks will be able to get more photos form across the water during that taxi.

The plane will be leaving in the morning to Chicago.

[SengaB]

Time is now 12:18pm

Airline Lufthansa
Flight Number 8940
Departure City (Airport) Frankfurt, Germany (EDDF)
Departure Time 03/19/2007 10:00 AM
Arrival City (Airport) New York, NY (JFK)
Arrival Time 03/19/2007 12:18 PM
Remaining Flight Time 02:44
Aircraft Type A388
Current Altitude 39,000 feet
Current Groundspeed 468 mph
Flight Status In Flight

[stuart schechter]

What is the A380's full flight plan for the following week. Chicago tomorrow but does it ever come back to JFK?

[Matt Molnar]

It comes back to JFK on Wednesday.

[bluejuice]

anyone know which runway.. looking like there coming over rockaway now??.. but will that runway be long enough

[Matt Molnar]

Length isn't a problem, the only possible question is width.
That's what she said.

The FAA suggests using 200ft wide runways, and as posted earlier, 4R/22L is the only 200ft wide runway at JFK. That happens to be the runway in use right now, so it looks like that's where she'll be landing.

Also, both 13/31 runways are closed.

[stuart schechter]

I'm going to see it tomorrow if I can, otherwise I'm going over to LGA for a session.

[Matt Molnar]

Airbus has set up an A380 Route Proving mini-site where you can view general info about the flights and share your pics and comments.

http://www.airbus.com/en/airbuslive/a-3 ... 7/home.htm (http://www.airbus.com/en/airbuslive/a-380-route-proving-march-2007/home.htm)

[JZ1]

They have switched the runway to use 22. So the 380 is for sure going to land on 22L

[DHG750R]

It's orbiting low and slow at 5000FT at 200kts over the south shore to land at 1210-1215pm

[Matt Molnar]

Looks like she landed at 12:00 on the dot as originally planned.

[JZ1]

For those of us who can't make it, LH 8940 landed at 12:00pm. Welcome to Big Apple!

[Greg_NY]

And quite a sight it was:

http://www.lebowitzfamily.com/images/IMG_9351_P.jpg

[Matt Molnar]

Great shot, Greg.

Video of the landing from CBS 2:

Ground angle: http://wcbstv.com/video/[email protected]
Helicopter angle: http://wcbstv.com/video/[email protected]

[fly.mcs]

AMAZING! The aircraft came in on runway 22L at 12:10PM. Here's my shot:

http://i19.photobucket.com/albums/b172/mcsco/AIRBUS_F-WWJB_A380-841_JFK_2007-03-.gif

[lijk604]

Here's the 2 I got, this side-on was rejected by JP. :(

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/lijk604/F-WWJB_031907_JFK.jpg

to give it some size comparison...
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b233/lijk604/F-WWJB2.jpg

[Idlewild]

It's an amazing piece of machinery. You could barely hear it. I hate to use corny lines but pictures do not do this beautiful airplane any justice. It literally just glided down 22L. Also, it was pretty funny seeing spotter geeks ignoring the PAPD. They ordered us to move our cars but wound up doing traffic control. It was also nice seeing a few of you, even if we didn't meet per-say.

[Idlewild]

So my guess is when it takes off in a few days the place to meet is Bayswater?

[RDU-JFK]

It's an amazing piece of machinery. You could barely hear it. I hate to use corny lines but pictures do not do this beautiful airplane any justice. It literally just glided down 22L. Also, it was pretty funny seeing spotter geeks ignoring the PAPD. They ordered us to move our cars but wound up doing traffic control. It was also nice seeing a few of you, even if we didn't meet per-say.

I'll take the roar of a DC-9 or MD-80 anyday!!

[pgengler]

I took a ton of photos; here are two that I did up quickly (and had rejected from JP as "Invalid Hot"):

http://image.pgengler.net/A380/a380-1.jpg
http://image.pgengler.net/A380/a380-2.jpg

[Chris102]

I might be able to get to NY on Wednesday to see the A380!

What is the A380's plans for Wednesday? What time will it return to NY? How long will it stay at JFK?

Thanks! :D

[Greeney]

Ill upload some photos in a bit, yours look great so far guys!

[Winglets747]

What is the A380's plans for Wednesday? What time will it return to NY? How long will it stay at JFK?

Media flight at 10:30 AM (departure and arrival)

Media and invited guests tour in the afternoon

Return to FRA at 10:00 PM

[Chris102]

Media flight at 10:30 AM (departure and arrival)

Media and invited guests tour in the afternoon

Return to FRA at 10:00 PM

Hi Winglets747 :)
Thanks for your help!

So it will be at JFK from 10:30AM until 10:00PM on Wednesday? Or is it leaving New York for FRA at 10:30 AM?

[Winglets747]

Media flight at 10:30 AM (departure and arrival)

Media and invited guests tour in the afternoon

Return to FRA at 10:00 PM

Hi Winglets747 :)
Thanks for your help!

So it will be at JFK from 10:30AM until 10:00PM on Wednesday? Or is it leaving New York for FRA at 10:30 AM?

See page #7 of this thread for full info.

[moose135]

Spoke with someone from LH at the press conference today - his schedule shows a media flight on Wednesday departing at 8:45 am and returning at 10:30 am. The 380 is returning to Europe Wednesday night.

[Winglets747]

Ah thanks. That is some media flight, 1h 45m. I'm jealous I'm not going. Is anyone here going?

[Idlewild]

I'm gonna try and make it. Am I correct that both 22's will be the runway of choice because of the width? I'm going to hit Bayswater for TO and 148th Ave for landing. I don't think the PAPD will be as forgiving as today about people hanging by Rockaway Blvd. Actually, if anyone knows someone important at Inwood Golf Course that would be very prime location for TO and/or landing.

[Matt Molnar]

I'm going to make a last ditch attempt to get on the media flight, but I'm not too confident about it. :|

[pgengler]

Am I correct that both 22's will be the runway of choice because of the width?.

I think that only 22L is a 200' wide runway; 22R is 150', so if runway width is a factor 22L will probably be the runway of choice.

[Derf]

Here is one of many from today ;)
http://derf.smugmug.com/photos/137297697-L.jpg

[Chris102]

If I am lucky enough to get to the city on Wednesday, where is the best place to spot the A380 from? I'm not familiar with the layout of JFK or my way around the city. I will have a 29-135mm lense, so I can't be too far away. Could someone also give me directions to the best spotting location for Wed.?

[Idlewild]

Meadow Road in Inwood might be a better location than Bayswater. Has anyone been to Meadow Road?

[Matt Molnar]

More video and a couple of interesting tidbits in this story:

http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/s ... 13482.html (http://www.popularmechanics.com/blogs/science_news/4213482.html)

The interesting tidbits that I haven't seen in the 3,000 other stories on Google News:

-- The media viewing area was originally meant to be on the roof of one of the terminals, but the plan was scrapped due to the ice.

-- The Qantas-sponsored A380 that landed at LAX had only a few passengers because it doesn't have seats yet. I guess this is because LA was a last minute addition to the event.

Amazing how quiet she is even with the reversers on.

[moose135]

-- The media viewing area was originally meant to be on the roof of one of the terminals, but the plan was scrapped due to the ice.

The Port Authority media guy said they put together today's plan at 10am this morning. Sure worked well.

[Tom_Turner]

-- The media viewing area was originally meant to be on the roof of one of the terminals, but the plan was scrapped due to the ice.

The Port Authority media guy said they put together today's plan at 10am this morning. Sure worked well.

A whole two hours for the media and nothing for the public. The usual....
Give them a medal.

Over at LAX a slightly different story...

Expecting "thousands of onlookers to line airport fences," those officials have devoted "hours to meetings about where pedestrians should stand, what streets to shut down and how to provide security and traffic control," the paper said.

[Matt Molnar]

Here's a clip of JFK Ground today, clearing other taxiing traffic to hang out and watch the landing, when she lands controller mentions "she's bigger than you!" to somebody. At 18:30 in Lufthansa 8940 is welcomed to JFK. About 30 seconds later the controller advises 8940 of the ramp control frequency.

LH8940: You want us to switch now?
Ground: You can call them on your other radio, I know you must have about eight of them on that plane by the size of it. :)

http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kjfk/ ... -1600Z.mp3 (http://archive-server.liveatc.net/kjfk/KJFK-Del-Gnd-Mar-19-2007-1600Z.mp3)

[VikHathi]

Here's a clip of JFK Ground today, clearing other taxiing traffic to hang out and watch the landing, when she lands controller mentions "she's bigger than you!" to somebody.

Even though I wasnt monitoring ground prior to touchdown - its interesting to note that alot of aircraft activity just paused minutes prior to A380 touchdown. Emirites requested to wait so he can open his window and take out his camera. Northwest requested to hold short to enjoy the show. Even ground said its "Phat!"

On the flip side Liz Cho on ABC tonite said its wingspan is about 10-football fields - even though she is hot, her facts are just a tad off.

[Nonstop2AUH]

Re the ground communication, I found it interesting how much vehicular traffic the controller seemed to have to deal with, and also how the Lufthansa Cargo referred to himself twice as Air Canada, he caught it the first time but didn't correct on the second. Wonder what's up with that.

[mikephotos]

Re the ground communication, I found it interesting how much vehicular traffic the controller seemed to have to deal with, and also how the Lufthansa Cargo referred to himself twice as Air Canada, he caught it the first time but didn't correct on the second. Wonder what's up with that.

It's actually a World aircraft flying for Lufthansa Cargo which they also fly/flew for Air Canada Cargo, hence the confusion of the pilot.

Mike

[VikHathi]

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?secti ... id=5132965 (http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5132965)

Here's the LAX landing from KABC7. There was a bit of shimmy after touch down, perhaps an overcorrection of the rudder action. Watching the videos, the media always gets their facts wrong as usual - but atleast they telecasted it like an OJ chase scene from start to end. Also, spectator turnout was awesome.

[Nonstop2AUH]

Just my 2 cents worth, but while the A380 is certainly impressive in size, the mass media is making it sound like it's MUCH bigger than a 747 and other planes in service, when in fact, it's not even the longest commercial jet. From the media, and not to invoke something awful, but you would think this was like the arrival of the Hindenburg or something. Impressive yes, larger than what 's already out there yes, but massively larger not really. Not like 747 vs. 707.

[Art at ISP]

I was at JFK yesterday as well but not with a camera. A friend of mine, Joe Brancatelli (aviation/airline writer) was on board the 380 from Frankfurt. I picked him up for lunch before he went into the city to get home to discuss some FFOCUS issues.

To be honest he was not over impressed with the whole thing, but I will let him tell that part of the story. His column comes out Friday (some are in USA Today).

In any case sorry I missed you guys--next time!!

Best
Art

[mirrodie]

Did anyone catch some chat on the frequency, as the 380 was taxiing, something about a guy asking about his daughter and what color shirt she was wearing? And the controller/dispatch said he basically had no clue. Any idea what that exchange was all about? I only caught a bit of it.

[Winglets747]

Nice blog from LH employees including a video of the interior tour: http://www.touch-down-a380-usa.blogspot.com/

[Chris102]

Does anyone know if the A380 will be doing any type of a low fly-by of Manhattan, or will be visible from Manhattan? It seems like my plans have changed, and there's a small chance I will still be able to get to NY, but only as far as Manhattan. I heard that it would take 2-3 hours to get to JFK from Manhattan..... :cry:

[pgengler]

I heard that it would take 2-3 hours to get to JFK from Manhattan..... :cry:

Depends on when you're going. I went from northern Jersey (Hoboken) to JFK yesterday for the A380, and I'd say that the whole trip took maybe 1:15 or so. But, I left at 6:45 and managed to beat most of the rush hour traffic at the Lincoln Tunnel; it probably would have taken another half hour at the least just for that otherwise.

[mikephotos]

Even if you took the A-train it should be no more than an hour or so to Howard Beach/JFK station. Of course, that's if there are no problems. I leave the city at 6pm and am usually home by 730p (I'm a few stops after HoBe on the A).

Mike

[Idlewild]

Does anyone know if the A380 will be doing any type of a low fly-by of Manhattan, or will be visible from Manhattan? It seems like my plans have changed, and there's a small chance I will still be able to get to NY, but only as far as Manhattan. I heard that it would take 2-3 hours to get to JFK from Manhattan..... :cry:

Where in Manhattan will you be and are you driving or taking the subway?

[Chris102]

Does anyone know if the A380 will be doing any type of a low fly-by of Manhattan, or will be visible from Manhattan? It seems like my plans have changed, and there's a small chance I will still be able to get to NY, but only as far as Manhattan. I heard that it would take 2-3 hours to get to JFK from Manhattan..... :cry:

Where in Manhattan will you be and are you driving or taking the subway?

I was planning on driving, but my plans have changed, and it looks like I won't be able to get to JFK tomorrow. :cry:
But many thanks to everyone who answered my questions! I really appreicated everyone's help!

I hope that everyone has a great time at JFK tomorrow! :)

P.S: Has anyone heard about a possible PHL visit in the future? Is PHL even ready for the A380?

[Idlewild]

Does anyone know if the A380 will be doing any type of a low fly-by of Manhattan, or will be visible from Manhattan? It seems like my plans have changed, and there's a small chance I will still be able to get to NY, but only as far as Manhattan. I heard that it would take 2-3 hours to get to JFK from Manhattan..... :cry:

Where in Manhattan will you be and are you driving or taking the subway?

I was planning on driving, but my plans have changed, and it looks like I won't be able to get to JFK tomorrow. :cry:
But many thanks to everyone who answered my questions! I really appreicated everyone's help!

I hope that everyone has a great time at JFK tomorrow! :)

P.S: Has anyone heard about a possible PHL visit in the future? Is PHL even ready for the A380?

Although looking at PHL on Google Earth tells me 9R & 27L have length and width my question is where would you park the beast? The only place I see is the desolated land north of 9R/ the western part of the airport. Are they developing the lot by any chance?

[Art at ISP]

The A380 will visit PHL as soon as the order for US Airways is completed and announced. It will seat 8 Envoy and 2,346 coach, and will park at Terminal F.

They will advise you to arrive 5 hours before flight time as boarding will begin 3 hours before.

Due to capacity limitations no food or drink will be provisioned.

[Nonstop2AUH]

Too funny Art. Wait til people start asking when it's going to visit CLE, MSP, DAL, SLC, etc. Would be very nice but the whole point of the A380 is to connect megacities that are tight on airport capacity, e.g. DXB-LHR. As such, there's no real market for the Super in the USA and that's why it will only ever be seen here operated by foreign carriers to gateway destinations like LAX and JFK.

[PHL Approach]

P.S: Has anyone heard about a possible PHL visit in the future? Is PHL even ready for the A380?

Nope, isn't gonna happen. The only way it would have happened is if UPS went through with the order and then pushed for the city to widen taxiways such as Uniform and Sierra. If it were to happen, it wouldnt be until the 2020 Master Plan is started which if you lived in Philly you'd realize that is now the 2050 Master Plan.

[Steve Kurtz]

Hey Guys,

NYCAviation was represented at LAX too. Unfortunately, the sky was overcast, so the arrival photos don't measure up. As the day wore on, some sun came through a bit, so this shot isn't too bad.

This is ship 001, and is still mostly unfinished inside, with test equipment and exposed wiring in sight.

Steve


http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d67/stkurtz/3135A380001LAX2007-03-19A1.jpg

[moose135]

Nice shot Steve, looks like NYCA had this thing covered from coast to coast!

[Mellyrose]

NYCA's version of the events....

http://nycaviation.com/topstories#airbus-a380-032607

[fly.mcs]

Does anybody know where the Airbus touched down first? I know the one here in NY touched down at 12:10p or 12:11p, which would be 9:10a, 9:11a PST. Anybody have an exact time for the LAX landing?

[Tom_Turner]

Does anybody know where the Airbus touched down first? I know the one here in NY touched down at 12:10p or 12:11p, which would be 9:10a, 9:11a PST. Anybody have an exact time for the LAX landing?

Good Question.

LAX was supposed to be first.

[moose135]

Does anybody know where the Airbus touched down first? I know the one here in NY touched down at 12:10p or 12:11p, which would be 9:10a, 9:11a PST. Anybody have an exact time for the LAX landing?

Haven't seen the actual touchdown time for the LAX flight, but when we were on our way back to the terminal from shooting the JFK landing, Phil called someone at LAX, and it hadn't landed there yet, so NYC had the first landing!

[Mellyrose]

It was officially first in NY. Phil actually called one of NYCA's members who was waiting for it in LAX and 10 minutes after it had landed here, it was just on final in LAX.

::neiner neiner neiner::

[Steve Kurtz]

Regarding whether JFK or LAX was the first A380 landing, I was at LAX. It landed there at around 9:30 am PDT +/- five minutes. So, if the JFK landing was around 12:10 to 12:15 EDT, it was first.

Steve

[PhilDernerJr]

Once the A380 landed in NY, I called a friend in LAX who said it was still on approach, so I'm positive that NY got it first.

[INTENSS]

Yup, it landed in JFK....I picked up the cell, called a freind @ LAX, they were still waiting for theirs. :)


-Rich