Framing Help

[MarkLawrence]

Can someone help me with this so I can get it right in the future! :) This got rejected on a bad framing/aircraft not centered (the undersharpened I'm still working on too). May I'm still not used to getting this right - but, what would the framing/centering option be?

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewreject_b.php?id=1177357

[Gus]

I feel that the aircraft is centered fine, the problem lays with the "small" box you have the aircraft in. Look at the tail, its almost touching the frame. The aircraft needs to breathe. If you can, crop the plane with more room on the tail and nose. the sharpening will have to be done selectively. The white border lines on the whale on the belly and tail are already almost too sharp and the rest looks soft. In A.net there is a post about how to sharpen selectively. Do a search. I have used it and it works very well.
Gus

[Mellyrose]

Mark -

That shot is cropped not only a bit tight, but low in the frame as well. That specific angle you're working with can be tricky since it's not a side-on, and it's tough to judge what part of the plane to reference and measure with your eyes.

Your best bet in MOST cases, would be to try and make the distance from the top of the plane closest to the nose and the bottom of the plane closest to the tail as equal as possible, and pleasing to the eye. Does that make sense?

Kinda like this:

http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/cropping.jpg

[MarkLawrence]

Makes perfect sense Mel! It's a matter of refining the eye!! :lol: thanks!

And - thanks for the info Gus - I'll search that!

[PhilDernerJr]

For this kind of angle, I think Mel hit it right on the head.

[NIKV69]

Oh No the Tom Alfano crop! LOLOL Yes Mel is right. In the words of a great photog "The plane has to have somewhere to go" Give it a little more room and you will be fine.

[MarkLawrence]

Going to try and redo it this evening - lets see what happens! :)

[moose135]

I agree the plane is a little low in the frame, however if this is to upload to a.net or jp.net, don't leave too much room around the sides. I agree there should be more space in front and behind, but that often ends up in rejections as well.

[PhilDernerJr]

In the words of a great photog "The plane has to have somewhere to go"

He's referring to Art Brett, for those of you that don't know. lol

[NIKV69]

He's referring to Art Brett, for those of you that don't know. lol

Phil anyone with that avatar should not be clarifying! lolol Well at least he isn't on a bouncing ball this time.

[T-Bird76]

hmm Nick lets take a look at close crops....

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1116567/L/ over 1000 views
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1091584/L/ over 700 views
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1080547/L/ over 1000 views
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1080168/L/ over 1000 views
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1045357/L/ over 2000 views
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1045356/L/ over 3000 views
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1044936/L/ over 2000 views
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1039159/L/ over 2000 views
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1027543/L/ over 4000 views

Now that my arrogant self plug is over, Mark there is nothing wrong within cropping your photos tight, even with one pixel of the plane. Last I checked pictures were a moment in time not a video tape.

As Mel pointed out the picture is centered to low in the frame, bring it up move and def sharpen the picture. However it looks more like a focus issue towards the front of the plane then a sharpening issue.

[SengaB]

Mark,
Just remember that these sites are very subjective when it comes to accepting images. Your images might have been rejected but then 15 pix later someone who had the same composition was added.
I came accross these 2 images yesterday and was baffled as to how they made it on based on the overall quality. Both of these are tightly cropped too.

10 years ago airliners.net to suggested images be croped like for uploading.

http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5836238
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5836274

Senga

[NIKV69]

hmm Nick lets take a look at close crops

I know about those pics Tommy, you have posted them here already!

A picture is a moment in time but cropped too tight makes it look cramped to look at. I think if you give it a little room it looks nicer.

[Mellyrose]

I generally think that about "half an inch" (on my screen, with my resolution, at 1024x683) is good for cropping, if you have the room. If it's a shot where you barely made it without chopping the plane's nose or tail (within a few pixels), then go ahead and crop it tight, but in MY opinion, I feel more comfortable with a tiny bit more room. If I have enough room to add significantally more than that, I feel that the shot is not worth editing, because it wasn't framed tight enough to begin with, unless there is something ELSE of interest (airport, scenery) in the photo along with the plane.

[PhilDernerJr]

I kinda disagree with both Nick and Tommy.

As for the "plane needs somewhere to go" idea, I agree with that, but I think it's reserved for when the shot is more zoomed out and there is more to the photo other than jsut the plane, like this:

http://nycaviation.com/pichost/ata_center_exmaple1.jpg

There, the plane has somewhere to go.

As for Tommy's crops, I think it's a matter of preference. Though the extremely tight crops with a matter of pixels between the edges is a little too tight to me, I prefer about a quarter inch or so ( monitor measurement).

[mirrodie]

I think its a matter of preference as Phil said. Go with what suits your tastes really!