More reason to love the state of Nevada

[NIKV69]

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/17/ ... index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/10/17/nevada.marijuana.ap/index.html)

I feel all drugs should be legalized and taxed what about you?

[PhilDernerJr]

I think if any drug should be legalized, it's pot. It's so commonplace and the laws on it has gotten so tame over the years.

Although, that doesn't mean that I think it would be ok to smoke pot. Although so many people do it (I myself have never done it) that are successful even, I find it to be very ghetto.

I think that all other drugs should remain illegal, as they almost all cause serious health problems.

[hiss srq]

Well this will be intresting but not my pot of alcapoco gold to be honest so I am fairly indiffrent to it

[NIKV69]

Phil, it's not a question of ok or not ok. Pot is like anything else. Alcohol, nicotine etc. Some can smoke it once a month and toke on one joint and be happy. Never having it become a problem. Some abuse it and become burnt. Needless to say the money we spend on fighting the war on drugs is an absolute waste. If all drugs were legalized the crime and murder that goes on in South America and other places would all stop and the drug dealers empires would collapse overnight. The price would come down and the economy would improve with the added revenue a small tax would bring. The same as the tax on cigarettes. As for causing serious health problems have you ever seen someone who has smoked their whole life? Or abused alcohol? These are serious health problems too. We are not winning the war on drugs. We are not stemming the flow of it into our country and we never will. Worse, police have to put themselves in harms way to fight this senseless war on drugs.

[PhilDernerJr]

Nick...why are you debating me on pot? I siad I agree that if any drug is to be made legal, it's that. Otherwise I jsut said that I'm not a fan of it personally.

One thing I've always seen is pro-drug legalizations advocates say that alcohol is legal and how horrible it is compared to pot.

Are you referring to harder drugs though, too?

You said alcohol is a serious health problem, so we should add to that by legalizing coke and heroin? With something as common as alcoholism in the US, you think we should open the flood gates so we can have people legally taking in coke and heroin and having those kind of problems, too?

Don't you think that driving related accidents will go up if those things are legal? In addition to MADD, there will be MACD and MAHD.

The tax that coke and heroin would bring....I don't want that. What, have a new street lights so that a relative or friend of mine can legally pursue a cocaine addiction?

Who cares if people involved in the drug world in South America are dying? Let them die, what do I care? Legalize it so the criminals down there can be saved? A little backwards.

[NIKV69]

Ok Phil, Cigarettes bring a lot of money in taxes and that is ok? What is the difference between mouth and lung cancer, emphysema and and all the other goodies years of smoking does. That's better than someone snorting coke or shooting up?


What, have a new street lights so that a relative or friend of mine can legally pursue a cocaine addiction?


What difference does it make? Coke is so easy to get as it is now. If we legalize it the same people will do it that do it now. Nevada is the beginning of hopefully legalizing it all and being done with it.


Who cares if people involved in the drug world in South America are dying? Let them die, what do I care?

It's not just the criminals Phil. Judges, law enforcement and civilians are all killed by these drug cartels. Legalize it and all these cartels are destroyed.

Look at society, have you seen a rise or fall in the amount of drug use? Of course not. The same amount of people abuse all sorts of drugs and this will never change. So why do we still spend tons of money fighting it? Prostitution is worse, we waste so much money trying to arrest people involved in it. Why? Nevada is a perfect example on how they treat their prostitution and how it's allowed and where it isn't. The rest of the country should do the same.

[hiss srq]

Alright folks there will be no round 3 I hope lol put it this way many will be quite happy about it. LOL Time to start the cheech and chong express with 757's to LAS

[PhilDernerJr]

Ok Phil, Cigarettes bring a lot of money in taxes and that is ok?

No, it's not ok. If it were up to me, cigarettes would be illegal, too. Unfortunately, when you try to take anything from Americans that is already legal, they lose their minds.


What difference does it make? Coke is so easy to get as it is now. If we legalize it the same people will do it that do it now. Nevada is the beginning of hopefully legalizing it all and being done with it.

Yes the same people will do it now, and more. Do you really not think that people who otherwise would not ever do coke would not try it if it was legal to buy at 7-11? And coke is medically proven to be an instant addiction, no less.


It's not just the criminals Phil. Judges, law enforcement and civilians are all killed by these drug cartels. Legalize it and all these cartels are destroyed.

Judges and cops being killed in South America is not our problem. That's an internal South American problem. If we are going to make policies in order to take the umph out of cartels there, I'd rather we send in troops to Bolivia to do it instead of making it ok for a teen to buy a gram of blow.



Prostitution is worse...

Personally, I think it's completley different than drugs. I'd be willing to discuss this, too, but maybe in a new thread ( our in a few days if this drug topic dies down).

[NIKV69]

Time to start the cheech and chong express with 757's to LAS


Why? You can just smoke it here and get it just as easily. Nevada finally woke up this fact. We need to do the same.

[Derf]

Yall need to smoke a joint and give each other a big hug... Peace love and do you have any more quaters for the slots? :lol: :wink:

[NIKV69]

No, it's not ok. If it were up to me, cigarettes would be illegal, too. Unfortunately, when you try to take anything from Americans that is already legal, they lose their minds.


It's a little more involved than that. Tobacco is big business in this country and raises tonf of money in taxes. That is why the government was afraid to take it on. Smoking is addictive as well. Not as severe as cocaine but still addictive. We get rid of cigarettes and many people in this country lose their jobs. Coke is different. It is not manufactured here and we don't make money on it so that is why this country continues to fight it. Quite unsuccessfully I may add.


Yes the same people will do it now, and more. Do you really not think that people who otherwise would not ever do coke would not try it if it was legal to buy at 7-11? And coke is medically proven to be an instant addiction, no less.


Remember in High School Phil? When kids under the age of 18 would smoke? How did they get introduced to it? They either saw their friends doing it or through some sort of peer pressure tried it. Some would decide that it is stupid and stopped doing it or some thought they were cool and kept doing it. It's called self control and no matter if it's illegal or available at the counter of your local 7/11 they are going to get their hands on it one way or the other. Remember one thing. Access doesn't equal addiction. The person has to make that decision.


Personally, I think it's completely different than drugs

It is different but in the legal sense it is similar. Why do we fight prostitution? Because the state doesn't make any money on it. This is why NY will fight to the death to keep casinos out. Opponents to legalizing prostitution claim it breeds drug problems but it you look at the majority of prostitution in NY most of it is done in massage parlors and brothels and these ladies are in it for one thing. Money. Not to buy drugs but to support themselves. Nevada is a perfect example. They allow brothels in certain areas but not streetwalkers and as you may have noticed they hang out in the casinos as well. These ladies are not crack *****s or drug addicts they are merely making a good living doing something where both parties are consenting. This is why Nevada allows it.

[PhilDernerJr]

I never tried pot, but I've tried cigarettes. Why did I try one and not the other? Because one was legal, and one wasn't. I probably would have tried pot if it was legal....and thankfully since it's not legal, I didn't go for it.

The same goes for other drugs that have more dangers. I know how teens are influenced, but when you make it legal to do, it WILL make more people do and try them.

I had to pee in a cup the other day for a drug test. I had a smirk the whole time, and I was happy that I've never had weed or any drugs in my system. Honestly, if I counted on one hand how many people I know that never smoked pot, I'd have spare fingers. It's one thing that I'm proud of myself about.

And that's not menat to bash anyone who might smoke pot. I contradict my views on that with alcohol. There ARE more dangers with booze than with pot. But again, the legality of it makes a huge difference in that, and jsut because something is popular, doesn't mean that you should open the flood gates and make it ok. We don't need more negative substances in our already addictive society.

Maybe the war on drugs jsut needs to be fought differently?

Just because guns get out into the streets....should we just make it legal across the board for anyone to get their hands on them? Of course not. Same with drugs. Sure they are always going to be here, but to ease up on it at all, more lives will be affected.

Prostitution is different. Different act, different dangers, different benefits in legalization. I agree there are similarities, but even so. To keep it simple (don't wanna get too into it in this thread) I do think it should be legalized with strong regulations.