AA 762 Fire @ LAX

[N790SW]

- well it seems like today ( june 2, 2006) an American Airlines Boeing 767-223 engine blew up outside its base in LAX these pics on jp net http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php ... rch=N330AA (http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos.php?regsearch=N330AA) show the damage it casued to the wing- and in one shot it looked like 2 windows - and the peeling paint at the end of the plane - after looking at these pics do you think this plane will fly agian??? and from what i heard that AA is phasing out the 762 imput is welcome in this thread.

[Derf]

No, I do not think that this plane will fly again if they are thinking of getting rid of just one plane. The entire back for that side looks like it needs to be reskinned and the entire wing looks like it needs to be reworked! This is a really big engine problem that NEVER should have happened. I am going nuts here trying to figure what happened.....Look like a disc failure to me and the odds of that happening are insanely low.... I will be watching this very closley and will let you guys know what I can find out!!!

[T-Bird76]

Yeah that bird is def done! The damage to the wing alone is pretty severe. She's almost 20 years old so the cost to repair her probably wouldn't make sense.

[dlx737200]

The pics are removed now from JP and A.net. Wonder why. There went that photographer's only photo (and a very popular one at that) on A.net. Makes me wonder if he was forced to remove it by AA.

-Justin

[Mr Smith]

had to be removed because there is an investigation underway, he was asked to remove them by authorities, he passed the message on to the screeners and we had them removed.

[DHG750R]

the AA incident in LAX sounds similar to an incident in PHL where a USAirways 767-200ER was w/o after an engine let go during a high power engine run .


Here is a picture of the same aircraft during dismantling at PHL http://www.airliners.net/open.file/0272012/L/

[Derf]

An engine letting go is no big deal on a safety standpoint.... A disc letting go, shooting through the aircraft and into the other engine on the other hand will usually rock the industry. The Odds of a disc letting go are unreal and I can think of three instances were a disc let go...

UAL DC-10 Souix City
DAL MD-80 Florida
747 Kalleta Cargo

Blades blowing out are contained by the containment ring....the mass of a disc is unstoppable and as seen in the posted pictures....tore the underside of the aircraft and went into the other engine rendering it inop as show by the great pictures...

I could not give a ratts ass about this airframe and is far as I am concerned it is a non issue on if it will fly or not..... Why this catastrophic failure happened and taking precautions to ensure that this will have the lowest probability of happening again should be the only thing this industry cares about.

my .02c

[mikephotos]

Since the pics were removed I'll post these for those who haven't seen them. If you've seen these already, sorry.

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine01.jpg

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine02.jpg

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine03.jpg

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine04.jpg

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine05.jpg

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine06.jpg

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine07.jpg

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine08.jpg

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine09.jpg

http://www.aviationwire.net/anetforums/aa767engine10.jpg

Mike

[Ari707]

WOW luckly no one was hurt or killed!!!!

[N790SW]

hey is it me or when i look at those pics - the way the ornage reflects of the plane - it looks like the pics were taken during the fire, also one thing i gotta ask you mike is if those other pics of 330 were removed- why would yours be on - are you allowed to do that. and also what is your job at AA if indeed you do work for them.

[PhilDernerJr]

Wow, talk about asking too many questions. lol

The orange is just the effect from taking night shots. I'll let Mike answer the other questions, if he chooses to. I feel that some of your questiosn are a little personal, and quite frankly, not your business.

My question, though, is what exactly was gong on here? Was this effect intentional? They were testing the engien right? Was it airborne or was this going on in the hangar?

[Iberia A340-600]

Was it airborne or was this going on in the hangar?

Apparently it was parked infront of the AA hangar doing engine run ups when the engine "exploded".

[Mr Smith]

Was it airborne or was this going on in the hangar?

been alot worse than that if it was airborne... :wink:

[mikephotos]

hey is it me or when i look at those pics - the way the ornage reflects of the plane - it looks like the pics were taken during the fire, also one thing i gotta ask you mike is if those other pics of 330 were removed- why would yours be on - are you allowed to do that. and also what is your job at AA if indeed you do work for them.

Im allowed to do whatever I want, I'm Mike, don't you know that :)

Those are not my pics and the orange glow seems to be from the lights above not flames. I got them from an email in another forum and since they came via attachments the only way to show you guys to upload them. If they are no longer viewable later on you'll know I got an email asking for them to be removed ;)

Mike

[mikephotos]

I'll let Mike answer the other questions, if he chooses to. I feel that some of your questiosn are a little personal, and quite frankly, not your business.

Since I don't work for AA no big deal but if I did, I'd say FU (not U Phil), it's none of your business hahahaha :)

Mike

[N790SW]

I'll let Mike answer the other questions, if he chooses to. I feel that some of your questiosn are a little personal, and quite frankly, not your business.

Since I don't work for AA no big deal but if I did, I'd say FU (not U Phil), it's none of your business hahahaha :)

Mike


nice one mike :shock: =P

also to point out the orange glow - i said it kinda looks like it lol i was never implyin that it was - also btw this is my 100th post 8)

[Winglets747]

[quote="Mr Smith"]had to be removed because there is an investigation underway, he was asked to remove them by authorities, he passed the message on to the screeners and we had them removed.[/quote

Interesting. I would have thought AA's corporate security would have been all over the pictures.

On a related note, the LAPD blog stil shows photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lafd/sets/ ... 153722446/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lafd/sets/72157594153722446/)

-Will

[Mr Smith]

had to be removed because there is an investigation underway, he was asked to remove them by authorities, he passed the message on to the screeners and we had them removed.[/quote

Interesting. I would have thought AA's corporate security would have been all over the pictures.

On a related note, the LAPD blog stil shows photos: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lafd/sets/ ... 153722446/ (http://www.flickr.com/photos/lafd/sets/72157594153722446/)

-Will

that's just what we got in the email from the uploader...they'll probably be reuploaded at some stage.

[FlyingColors]

Hey Mike, thanks for sharing that!

I'm slow on the draw and did not see them before, very cool!

MP

[FlyingColors]

FWIW, I've been at the helm of a few turbodiesel engines when there turbo turbines did fail, and yes it gets ugly real fast too.

(Of course you can just coast to the side of the road, no big deal, except for who has to pay for the damages)

[FlyingColors]

An engine letting go is no big deal on a safety standpoint.... A disc letting go, shooting through the aircraft and into the other engine on the other hand will usually rock the industry. The Odds of a disc letting go are unreal and I can think of three instances were a disc let go...

UAL DC-10 Souix City
DAL MD-80 Florida
747 Kalleta Cargo

Blades blowing out are contained by the containment ring....the mass of a disc is unstoppable and as seen in the posted pictures....tore the underside of the aircraft and went into the other engine rendering it inop as show by the great pictures...

I could not give a ratts ass about this airframe and is far as I am concerned it is a non issue on if it will fly or not..... Why this catastrophic failure happened and taking precautions to ensure that this will have the lowest probability of happening again should be the only thing this industry cares about.

my .02c

One more that can add on to the list, that I can think of at this time:
Mid 70's National Airlines DC-10-10, fan disc failure on engine #3, one dead.

[Derf]

An engine letting go is no big deal on a safety standpoint.... A disc letting go, shooting through the aircraft and into the other engine on the other hand will usually rock the industry. The Odds of a disc letting go are unreal and I can think of three instances were a disc let go...

UAL DC-10 Souix City
DAL MD-80 Florida
747 Kalleta Cargo

Blades blowing out are contained by the containment ring....the mass of a disc is unstoppable and as seen in the posted pictures....tore the underside of the aircraft and went into the other engine rendering it inop as show by the great pictures...

I could not give a ratts ass about this airframe and is far as I am concerned it is a non issue on if it will fly or not..... Why this catastrophic failure happened and taking precautions to ensure that this will have the lowest probability of happening again should be the only thing this industry cares about.

my .02c

One more that can add on to the list, that I can think of at this time:
Mid 70's National Airlines DC-10-10, fan disc failure on engine #3, one dead.

I do not think that this incident could be added to the list becuause the
engine went way over the maximum speed by pilot stupidity... The
engine was not designed to handle what happened. For those of you who
do not know, the Pilots decided to see what would happen with the
engine if they pulled the circut breaker for N1, they wanted to see if the
autopilot would overspeed the engine, with passengers on board!!!!!
Sent debris flying into the aircraft and I believe one man was sucked out
died. On a side note, it was just an uncontained engine failure and not a disc fracture either. They lost a bunch of blades and the fan Cowl....

[FlyingColors]

See the link.

http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/A ... 3(National (http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/Aviation/Disasters/73-11-03(National)).asp

First fatality on a DC-10.

and be sure to read the bottom "Share Your Memories! " too about it.

[mikephotos]

"and the occupant of seat 17H was subsequently forced entirely through the cabin window.
"

Not fun at all...

Mike

[Derf]

See the link.

http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/A ... 3(National (http://www.super70s.com/Super70s/Tech/Aviation/Disasters/73-11-03(National)).asp

First fatality on a DC-10.

and be sure to read the bottom "Share Your Memories! " too about it.

Yes, but the three that I had listed lost the Discs...the National Airlines flight over New Mexico just lost blades... In case anyone is interested, the engine must be able to contain its largest blade in the case of blade loss, any jet engine can not keep the fan disk from flying out of an engine. To contain this, it would be too heavy of an engine. The risk analysis has to be such that this event is very rare...... The experts have info showing that this has happened three times in the last year alone. This is UNBELIEVABLY HIGH! A blade loss should almost never take down an aircraft (Like the DC-10 National), A disk loss give the airframe almost no odds of being usable again and a very low probability of making a landing. This IS a major issue.

[LGA777]

Here is a new and Pretty Amazing Shot from that day, wanted you guys to se it in case the photographer is aked to remove it !

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1059747/L/

Cheers

LGA777

[T-Bird76]

wow that is great! well not great but great he was able to get a pic of it happening. AA can bitch all they want, that was taken from the hill and its fair game to anyone to take a picture of it and publish it.

[Mellyrose]

Wow, that's a scary shot! Can you imagine seeing that while spotting? :shock:

[Sulman]

The CF6-80A did have an AD a couple of years back about cracks sited at the dovetail slots on the HPT discs, with inspection and rectification instructions. I think one let go on an Air New Zealand 767 in similar fashion (turbomachinery section of the engine basically 'gone'), without any drama.

However, that's not to say that this was related, other than the HPT being the culprit. Cracks have already been found in the recovered pieces:

http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/article ... page=2&c=y (http://www.dailybreeze.com/news/articles/3048421.html?page=2&c=y)

The article is a bit exciteable in parts, but gives the general idea. Incidentally the CF6-80 is an absolutely superb engine, I'd be very surprised if this was anything other than a freak accident.