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Midnight Mike
2005-12-21, 02:24 AM
Sharp debate over sharp objects on US planes

Tue Dec 20, 3:46 PM ET

A Democrat lawmaker joined flight attendants to claim new rules allowing sharp objects back onto America's airliners made a September 11-style hijacking spree more likely.

But President George W. Bush's security czar Michael Chertoff hit back that bombs and not blades were now the biggest terror threat to US aviation.

The debate sharpened two days before the Transportation Security Administration (TSA) relaxes rules on sharp objects on planes to allow passengers to carry items like nail scissors and small screwdrivers.

Massachusetts representative Edward Markey (news, bio, voting record) charged that the move would make it easier for terrorist ringleaders to hijack US aircraft.

"Travellers heading off to airports across the country will be disturbed to know that the Bush Administration is now making it easier for the next Mohammed Atta to terrorize passengers at 30,000 feet by allowing sharp objects back on planes," Markey said.

"This administration's risky policy is a gift to terrorists this holiday season," he warned, as he introduced his "Leave All Blades Behind" Act to restore the TSA's prohibition on sharp objects.

Chertoff however defended the new approach, saying that other changes to airline security had made small objects less threatening.

Airport screeners needed to spend more time searching for sophisticated new explosive charges and detonators, rather than rooting out nail scissors and small screwdrivers, he said.

The alarming loophole in aviation security rules was exposed on September 11, 2001, when hijackers armed only with box cutters seized four airliners and steered them at US landmarks in the world's worst terror attack.

Chertoff said the risk had now been addressed with reinforced cockpit doors, rules which allow flight crews to carry firearms and more air marshals on planes.

"What that has done is it has really reduced the risk that someone is going to get into a cockpit and take a plane and make it a weapon of mass destruction," Chertoff said in a speech at George Washington University.

"We have to take account of that change in risk. If we're not, we're not adjusting to meet the new threats."

"We see an ever-increasing sophistication in the kinds of explosive devices that we encounter all over the world."

Markey's call was supported by New York Democrat Joseph Crowley, Carie Lemack, who lost her mother in the 9/11 attacks and The Association of Flight Attendants.

The TSA announced three weeks ago that scissors with a cutting edge of four inches or less and tools like screwdrivers, wrenches and pliers smaller than seven inches would be allowed on planes on December 22.

Larger scissors and tools like crowbars, drills, hammers, and saws will still be banned in carry-on luggage.

Tom_Turner
2005-12-21, 10:23 PM
I wonder when powers that be will get around to allowing non-passengers back into the terminals.

cancidas
2005-12-22, 04:18 PM
the reason EL AL has not had a major terrorist incident since the 70s is becaused they got strict and stayed that way when it comes to security. america has repeatedly gotten strict and then laxed off and there is the reason that such incidents repeat themselves.


it's not only airplanes that are in danger this way. so are millions of ground personnel at airports across the country.

Tom_Turner
2005-12-22, 10:27 PM
"Travellers will be disturbed to know.." "Making it easier for the next Muhammad Atta.." blah blah blah...

Interesting voting record for Markey.

* Voted NO on federalizing rules for driver licenses to hinder terrorists. (Feb 2005)

* Voted NO on adopting the recommendations of the 9/11 Commission. (Oct 2004)

* Voted NO on permitting commercial airline pilots to carry guns. (Jul 2002)

* Voted NO on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)

FlyingColors
2005-12-25, 02:56 PM
The "Golden Rule for Hijacker scenario", WAS forever..............."if hijacked, just let the powers to be do whatever, sit down and try to relax. "

Nowadays, if a whack job storms the flight deck or an exit, were supposed to tackle them. And rightfully so!

So putting a ban on butter knives, scissors, Swiss Army knifes, nail clippers, bla bla is just BS!

Where is the common sense?!

If you want to get hostile just grab a writing pen, in your clutched fist and hold it up to someones neck. How about a tightly rolled up magazine, yet another powerful make shift weapon. And good old fashion biting too!

Perhaps all passengers should have a muzzle on and be issued crayons!? LOL!

Sure things and people need to be screened.
And if your in the "sterile area" after the check point, why in thee hell do you have your documents check AGAIN at the gate?! Crazy! Useless! Unnecessary! If they wish to check again at the gate then let the non flying public in to terminals up to the gates (they all have to pass the check point too, duh)


But lets give the extreme things, that don't matter at all, a rest.
AND WAKE UP!

cancidas
2005-12-26, 08:03 AM
mike that's the problem.... the people making the laws in this country are so far up someone else's ass they it's not possible for htem to wake the hell up. even if they did, they'd still need directions in order to get back to reality.