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Midnight Mike
12-14-2005, 10:16 AM
What the hell is going on in Iran: The boys are nuts, according to Iran, the Holcaust never took place, wants Israel to be moved or wiped off the planet, Nuclear program, ahhhhh! :roll: :oops:

Iranian Leader Calls Holocaust a 'Myth' By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, Associated Press Writer
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Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad escalated his anti-Israeli rhetoric Wednesday, calling the Holocaust a "myth" used by Europeans to create a Jewish state in the heart of the Islamic world.

His remarks drew swift condemnation from Israel, Germany, France and the European Commission. Germany said the remarks would affect upcoming negotiations over Iran's nuclear program.

Ahmadinejad last week questioned whether the Nazi destruction of 6 million European Jews during World War II occurred and said Israel should be moved to Europe. He also provoked an international outcry in October when he called for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

But Wednesday was the first time he publicly denied the Holocaust. Touring southeast Iran, Ahmadinejad said that if Europeans insist the Holocaust happened, then they are responsible and should pay the price.

"Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets," Ahmadinejad told thousands of people in the southeastern city of Zahedan.

"If you committed this big crime, then why should the oppressed Palestinian nation pay the price?" Ahmadinejad asked rhetorically.

"This is our proposal: if you committed the crime, then give a part of your own land in Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to them so that the Jews can establish their country," he said, developing a theme he raised in Saudi Arabia last week.

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier called the remarks "shocking and unacceptable." He said the German government had summoned the Iranian charge d'affaires to make "unmistakably clear" its displeasure.

"I cannot hide the fact that this weighs on bilateral relations and on the chances for the negotiation process, the so-called nuclear dossier," Steinmeier said, referring to European talks with Iran on its nuclear program.

The German government said Chancellor Angela Merkel would call on the European Union to press for international condemnation at the U.N.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said: "The repeated outrageous remarks of the Iranian president show clearly the mind-set of the ruling clique in Tehran and indicate clearly the extremist policy goals of the regime.

"The combination of fanatical ideology, a warped sense of reality and nuclear weapons is a combination that no one in the international community can accept," Regev added, referring to allegations that Iran is developing nuclear bombs.

Avner Shalev, the director of Yad Vashem, Israel's memorial to the Holocaust in Jerusalem, said Ahmadinejad's comments required a "stronger response from world leaders."

"Every genocidal statement has to be taken seriously because the Holocaust occurred, and the world knows it. Therefore, we don't just condemn these comments, we believe that the international community and the United Nations should deal with them more seriously," Shalev said.

In Strasbourg, France, European Commission President Jose Manual Barroso said the president's comments were "completely unacceptable."

"It is really shocking that a head of state that has a seat in the United Nations can say such a thing," Barroso said on the sidelines of a European Parliament meeting. "It calls our attention to the real danger of that regime having an atomic bomb."

French Foreign Ministry spokesman Jean-Baptiste Mattei also condemned Ahmadinejad's remarks.

Ahmadinejad said the West had harmed Muslims, invaded their countries and plundered their wealth.

"If your civilization consists of aggression, making oppressed people homeless, suffocating the voices of justice and bringing poverty to a majority of the world's people, we say loudly that we hate your hollow civilization," he said.

Ahmadinejad has been unapologetic about taking Iran on a more openly defiant course, insisting on Iran's right to develop its nuclear program which it insists is peaceful and often using rhetoric reminiscent of the 1980s heyday of the Islamic Revolution.

The president's views sharply conflict with those of predecessor Mohammad Khatami, a moderate who used to call for dialogue among civilizations and promoted a low-key understanding with the United States that stopped short of diplomatic relations.

Inside Iran, Ahmadinejad's remarks have been criticized by some of his conservative allies, who fear he is hurting the country's image. Moderate Iranians have called on the ruling Islamic establishment to rein in the president.

But Supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the ultimate say, has backed Ahmadinejad's calls for Israel's elimination.

Ahmadinejad criticized the United States for refusing to sell Iran spare parts for its civilian planes as part of its long-standing embargo against the country.

Iran has suffered a series of plane accidents most recently on Dec. 6, when an aging U.S.-made military transport plane crashed into a tall building in Tehran, killing 115 people. Iranian officials have blamed Washington for the crashes, saying they are partly caused by the difficulty in obtaining spare parts.

"No country is authorized to impose spare-part sanctions against another country. Nothing can justify this," Ahmadinejad said Wednesday.

Ahmadinejad said the denial of spare parts was a reason why Iran would not trust Western promises to give it nuclear fuel. The country is currently at loggerheads with the West over its insistence on enriching uranium to fuel its first nuclear reactor, which is due to start generating electricity next year.

The Europeans, with U.S. backing, do not trust Iran to have its own enrichment process since highly enriched uranium can be used for nuclear warheads. Europe has offered to sell enriched uranium for the reactor, but Iran has rejected this.

The United States is pushing to have Iran referred to the U.N. Security Council, where it could face sanctions for violating a nuclear arms control treaty.

Ahmadinejad said that if Iran gave in on the nuclear dispute, there was no guarantee the West might not refuse to sell nuclear fuel in the future.

"I assure you that we won't step back one inch from our nuclear rights," the president told the crowd, drawing chants of "Death to America!"

Iran is due to resume negotiations on the nuclear issue with envoys from Britain, France and Germany starting Dec. 21 in Vienna, Austria.

Matt Molnar
12-14-2005, 10:58 AM
It seems like they're trying to unite their population against Israel, which is likely going to bomb Iran's suspected nuclear sites any day now. It could get very ugly.

T-Bird76
12-14-2005, 01:36 PM
Iran's rhetoric since this new President was put in power is very disturbing. He has shown zero ambition to move his country into the world of nations. I fully expect Israel to destroy Iran's Nuclear reactors, as long as Israel exists no radical Middle Eastern country will be allowed to build a nuclear device. I can't say I blame Israel either and I'd be totally shocked if they sat back and let these plants move forward.

PhilDernerJr
12-14-2005, 07:58 PM
"calling the Holocaust a "myth" used by Europeans to create a Jewish state in the heart of the Islamic world. "

Dennis Miller said it best:

"Think of all the Arab countries as a football field, and Israel as a Pack of matches sitting in the middle of it. And now these same folks swear that if Israel gives them half of that pack of matches, Everyone will be pals."

http://www.betar.co.uk/articles/betar1068477052.php

Greatest Israel/Palestine argument EVER.

T-Bird76
12-14-2005, 10:34 PM
What a great article and 100% true. The word Palestine came from the Romans when they took over 2000 years ago. I'm not Jewish but I've taught and studied Jewish history and throughout history the Jews were a brutally persecuted people who never went out and intentionally harmed others. I commend Israel for taking a stand against the Islamic Extremists and hope they put Iran in their place.

Mr Smith
12-15-2005, 05:08 PM
What a great article and 100% true. The word Palestine came from the Romans when they took over 2000 years ago. I'm not Jewish but I've taught and studied Jewish history and throughout history the Jews were a brutally persecuted people who never went out and intentionally harmed others. I commend Israel for taking a stand against the Islamic Extremists and hope they put Iran in their place.

except for what they did to Jesus through the Romans... :wink: hope they don't put innocent Iranians in there place at the same time, seriously though, if the media stopped airing this madmans bull**** it'd probably die a natural death, he's just a provocateur of the highest order.