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Thread: 2019 Bethpage Air Show at Jones Beach, NY May 25th & 26th

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    Yeah this is odd looking, though most likely temporary decals. However I did like the highlight of the B-25 at the show and some nice low passes rather then the typical circuits over the water.

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    Its a shame this board isnt as popular as it used to be. I dont know if the regulars have gone on to greener pastures or if the lack of activity here is a testament to the JBAS being...not sure what the right word is....."routine" now?

    Anyway...to close the loop on the whole TBirds/FRG thing, I spoke to Lt. Col. Eric Gorney who is the Operations Officer down on the beach on Friday and asked him directly what the deal is in terms of the TBirds flying into FRG. I pulled no punches (but was polite, of course) in saying that we REALLY missing seeing the TBirds there and that there is a big missed opportunity for positive PR by going to ISP instead. He said he fully recognizes that its an issue and that they would like to fly into FRG to take advantage of being more accessible to the fans. But the fact of the matter is that 14/32 at Republic is too short for them based on their 8,000' minimum runway length. He did not mention any past incidents, like with FOD or anything like that. FRG just doesnt provide what they need in terms of the airfield, itself. He did say that they can and do go down to a 6,500' minimum runway length for some shows but not without getting a waiver and not without a wire/trap system set up and both of those things are not easy to get. He said a wire set up costs upwards of $40,000 for the weekend and getting the waiver involves the usual bureaucratic stuff that goes into govt. paperwork! So they are oinly going to do this if they really have to and if there is another field close by that wont involve spending this money and time to fly into, they are just going to do that.

    As far as Im concerned, while I dont like this as a fan, it is what it is and them's the rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkfast View Post
    Its a shame this board isnt as popular as it used to be. I dont know if the regulars have gone on to greener pastures or if the lack of activity here is a testament to the JBAS being...not sure what the right word is....."routine" now?
    I've been wondering the same, these airshow threads and the FRG Notables thread are fairly dead now :(

    Quote Originally Posted by rkfast View Post
    He did say that they can and do go down to a 6,500' minimum runway length for some shows but not without getting a waiver and not without a wire/trap system set up and both of those things are not easy to get...As far as Im concerned, while I dont like this as a fan, it is what it is and them's the rules.
    Yeah, it's just that I don't understand this requirement when the stated specs are: "Landing Distance (F-16A) 2,650 ft (810 m) with 4,000 lb (1,815 kg) external load" and FRG has two asphalt runways: 14/32 is 6,833 by 150 feet - 1/19 is 5,516 by 150 feet. Either one is double those stated specs. If that landing distance is a minimum w/ arresting wires, then OK, but it doesn't specifically state that. If the minimum is 2,650 with 4k external load... how much shorter can it be when there are no armaments, and it's presumably 4k-lbs lighter? You'd think over 6800ft would be plenty of length...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dekdawg21 View Post
    Lost its engine on takeoff?
    To clarify, it lost a blade. They changed out the engine with their spare. Yes, FOD happens anywhere at any time. However, the team used that specific incident as a "last straw" reason to blame the airport management with providing non-satisfactory facilities. Far easier to simply say "runways are too short", than get into details. As we all know, they had no problem using KFRG for many years and had arresting gear in place. As far as KISP goes, they wouldn't even let CAP or Suffolk PD get up close even for a quick photo opp. I was there early Monday morning waiting for the team to depart but was notified that their C-17 was down for repairs, in Delaware. The team was going to wait for it to be fixed and fly in to KISP to pick up their gear before heading out. I did not hear the outcome as I left around 9am.

    In contrast, the Navy folks were very accommodating to visitors, fans and officials. Was able to have an escorted up close look at the TAC Demo Super Hornets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billbo1970 View Post
    Yeah, it's just that I don't understand this requirement when the stated specs are: "Landing Distance (F-16A) 2,650 ft (810 m) with 4,000 lb (1,815 kg) external load" and FRG has two asphalt runways: 14/32 is 6,833 by 150 feet - 1/19 is 5,516 by 150 feet. Either one is double those stated specs. If that landing distance is a minimum w/ arresting wires, then OK, but it doesn't specifically state that. If the minimum is 2,650 with 4k external load... how much shorter can it be when there are no armaments, and it's presumably 4k-lbs lighter? You'd think over 6800ft would be plenty of length...
    It's not about some specs you found online, it is about the operational requirements set forth by the Air Force and Air Combat Command for peacetime operations.

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    I agree with you rkfast, could be that the air shows in the surrounding areas provide a bit of a better show e.g. the NY Airshow at Stewart and Atlantic City. Unfortunately with the T-birds being based out of ISP every other year, it sorta makes it feel like a 'down' year because you can only really enjoy them at the beach. However, this year's practice was pretty dang good (could've been better than the actual show on Sat/Sun, however I wasn't there to compare), with both the Super Hornet and T-birds flying twice. Not to mention the weather was phenomenal aside from the chill-down on Saturday. All-in-all, always appreciate the information everyone on this board provides and hopefully next year there will be a tad more interest. Enjoy the Summer, everyone!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RepublicAviation View Post
    I agree with you rkfast, could be that the air shows in the surrounding areas provide a bit of a better show e.g. the NY Airshow at Stewart and Atlantic City. Unfortunately with the T-birds being based out of ISP every other year, it sorta makes it feel like a 'down' year because you can only really enjoy them at the beach. However, this year's practice was pretty dang good (could've been better than the actual show on Sat/Sun, however I wasn't there to compare), with both the Super Hornet and T-birds flying twice. Not to mention the weather was phenomenal aside from the chill-down on Saturday. All-in-all, always appreciate the information everyone on this board provides and hopefully next year there will be a tad more interest. Enjoy the Summer, everyone!
    Friday show was not great. The wind killed it. No Golden Knights, no Yankee Lady, Reb Bull helicopter had to cut short its routine, TBM had to turn back after takeoff and only had the spitfire p-51 and b-25 warbirds, Thunderbirds did a quick low show. The Super Hornet twice was cool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moose135 View Post
    It's not about some specs you found online, it is about the operational requirements set forth by the Air Force and Air Combat Command for peacetime operations.
    Yup.

    Like I said in my post above....8,000' is the number and they arent going to violate that unless they really have to.

    I hate that its like this as much as the next guy and yes...the Air Force/Thunderbirds do seem a bit more...I dont know what the right word is....resource intensive?...strict?...tight? compared to the Navy. But that's how they operate the team and their equipment and that's their decision to do so. It might be their general MO. Every branch does things differently and has a different mentality. But it might also have something to do with the aircraft both branches fly. We all know a Navy aircraft is designed for flying in and out of bad conditions and as such, is more versatile on the ground. Wheras Air Force jets are different animals, built for flying in and out of airports and bases with long, smooth runways. The "needs" of a Navy jet vs. an Air Force one are just different and the branches operate them accordingly, and that goes for their demo teams, too.
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