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    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    A few months ago I got a parking ticket that I decided I was going to fight, for parking the 'wrong' way on the street(pointed the wrong way). Here on my street in south Jersey, people do it all the time, I do it constantly. Never a ticket. One night up in north Jersey I park the same way to unload something conveniently, a $54 ticket by 6am. I call and they say it's state law in NJ. I say 'but there's no signs, anywhere'. I asked for a court date until I realized I was going to waste a bunch of time and money trying to fight something I would lose. I wisely retracted my request to see the judge once I realized he/she would probably berate me for not being familiar with the laws in my own state.


    We have been saying this about T5 and similar locations for many months. They don't have to say 'plane spotting is illegal'. They just have to say 'get off our property unless you intend to use it for its stated purpose'. And all it would take is one semi-conscious individual in charge over there to make that realization, and for us it's game over @ T5.

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    Lol but if one wants to get technical, you're using the parking garage to park. Here's my car...it's in a marked stall...I'm not in the car. That would be by definition using it for its intended purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by megatop412 View Post
    Ignorance of the law is no excuse.

    A few months ago I got a parking ticket that I decided I was going to fight, for parking the 'wrong' way on the street(pointed the wrong way). Here on my street in south Jersey, people do it all the time, I do it constantly. Never a ticket. One night up in north Jersey I park the same way to unload something conveniently, a $54 ticket by 6am. I call and they say it's state law in NJ. I say 'but there's no signs, anywhere'. I asked for a court date until I realized I was going to waste a bunch of time and money trying to fight something I would lose. I wisely retracted my request to see the judge once I realized he/she would probably berate me for not being familiar with the laws in my own state.

    We have been saying this about T5 and similar locations for many months. They don't have to say 'plane spotting is illegal'. They just have to say 'get off our property unless you intend to use it for its stated purpose'. And all it would take is one semi-conscious individual in charge over there to make that realization, and for us it's game over @ T5.
    It took me about 15 minutes to find this, as NJ doesn't have a very efficient way to search their vehicle codes:
    http://law.onecle.com/new-jersey/39-...ion/4-135.html
    39:4-135. Parking; direction and side of street; angle parking; one-way street
    The operator of a vehicle shall not stop, stand or park the vehicle in a roadway other than parallel with the edge of the roadway headed in the direction of traffic, on the right-hand side of the road and with the curb side of the vehicle within six inches of the edge of the roadway, except as follows:
    I'll give you 15 minutes to find an official source that states whether photography is permitted or not at JFK...

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    Quote Originally Posted by megatop412 View Post
    We have been saying this about T5 and similar locations for many months. They don't have to say 'plane spotting is illegal'. They just have to say 'get off our property unless you intend to use it for its stated purpose'. And all it would take is one semi-conscious individual in charge over there to make that realization, and for us it's game over @ T5.
    I said this when these locations began to be used and when people began openly posting about it. Again, heed Manny's advice. It would very wise to do so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NIKV69 View Post
    I said this when these locations began to be used and when people began openly posting about it. Again, heed Manny's advice. It would very wise to do so.
    OK, let me put it another way: All they have to do is put up 'no loitering' signs, and we're done there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose135 View Post
    It took me about 15 minutes to find this, as NJ doesn't have a very efficient way to search their vehicle codes:
    http://law.onecle.com/new-jersey/39-...ion/4-135.html


    I'll give you 15 minutes to find an official source that states whether photography is permitted or not at JFK...
    That's part of my point, Moose, if there is such a law it should not have to take that much effort to find it. Additionally, we all know there is no such law prohibiting what we do, there are only property owners who can decide whether we stay or go. Just like you can be escorted out of the terminal(or the plane) after defying owners' requests that you not photograph out the window(as silly as that is), the same applies to locations like these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by megatop412 View Post
    OK, let me put it another way: All they have to do is put up 'no loitering' signs, and we're done there.
    I was agreeing with you. In case you mis-understood.
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    They could certainly do that, but that doesn't mean we should be able to tolerate mistreatment or abuse of the rules that ARE in place.
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    Who owns the terminal 5 parking garage? Is it owned by an airline or the PANY?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fk6065 View Post
    Who owns the terminal 5 parking garage? Is it owned by an airline or the PANY?
    Pretty sure it's owned by the Port and leased to the airlines.
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    After spending many dollars at T5, I thought we all owned a share of it!
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