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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzalu View Post
    5 hours was $26.00 1 is $6 or $9 I believe depends on time of day... It is EXPENSIVE... Long Term parking is over by Lefferts Blvd. A lot cheaper... but not as cheap as off-airport parking!
    Expensive? That is robbery! PHX and LAS is more than half cheaper than that!
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    Exactly....PHX is only $4/hr. And I believe there is a $24 maximum charge.

    I was looking at the prices for the garage at KMEM for atrip I plan to take in May....their economy (which is at the terminal and overlooks the field) garage is a max of $6/day! Long term parking in that garage is only $11/day....

    T5 prices must just be part of the NYC experience....
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    Quote Originally Posted by NIKV69 View Post
    Expensive? That is robbery! PHX and LAS is more than half cheaper than that!
    LAS is free, as long as you stay with your car by the spotter parking area :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve1840 View Post
    Exactly....PHX is only $4/hr. And I believe there is a $24 maximum charge.

    I was looking at the prices for the garage at KMEM for atrip I plan to take in May....their economy (which is at the terminal and overlooks the field) garage is a max of $6/day! Long term parking in that garage is only $11/day....

    T5 prices must just be part of the NYC experience....
    You mean Port getting rich. What robbery!
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    Quote Originally Posted by steve1840 View Post
    I was looking at the prices for the garage at KMEM for atrip I plan to take in May....their economy (which is at the terminal and overlooks the field) garage is a max of $6/day! Long term parking in that garage is only $11/day....
    But at the end of the day, you're in Memphis...there are tradeoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose135 View Post
    But at the end of the day, you're in Memphis...there are tradeoffs.
    Haha! Yes. That is correct. But cant think of anything better to do while going to visit my kids than get as many FedSex threeholers as i can.
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    Im not gonna get nasty about this situation but this is all BC wats happening at T5. See When I was spotting at T5 with Steve, Kaz, Mark and Fred a couple of weeks ago, the Security kept coming around evry 45 minutes/hour and not said anything to any of us and we mostly stayed in the cars while they were in sight, that wasnt bad at all. 1 night before that they saw me taking pics at the T2/T3 garage and told me i wasnt allowed to take pictures of the planes and that it was against the law and i could be fined. My opinion is, all they like to do is make up what they say just to scare you or etc. But i say to myself that half the things they do is at least 50% or more wrong but I just dont bother giving them a hard time just not to make things worse. I hope this whole thing dont get worse and lose the location. As for the parking rates too, $26.00 is overboard for 5 hours but it is wat it is. Hopefully eventually soon enough as Phil stated awhile back, alot of this will slow down more and more with the encounters depending what happens with PA. With all these encounters taking place at T5 more and more, things are gonna be rough and we dont wanna head in that direction. Kaz, im sorry that u had a messed up encouting like that. Hope you get well and start a new day planespotting. I agree with Manny about all thats been said here too. Its not worth the argument to the officers.
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    They are FJC security guards, what that means is a good chunk of them don't even know how to spell "New York" or "Terminal" I usually do not go to this length but if you are paying to park up there, they have no reason to bother you or say anything, keep shooting till a Port Cop shows up... At least that's my opinion.
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    Kaz, first let me say that i WANT to see you and others vent here. That is what the Spotter Blotter is for. We need to learn about, share and discuss these incidents, because we are all in it together.

    What is posted here is public anyway, and I lately have been showing these encounters to the PANYNJ officials who are addressing this and still preparing their official stance that allows photography on airport grounds.

    The rest comes down to personal opinion. I personally (not officially) have no problem standing up to a guard and saying "by all means, please call the police", not to instigate, but to peacefully enforce your own rights. I wouldn't mind making the call myself in that situation. However, if a police officer who is unaware of the rules shows up, there is a chance you may get taken to a police station by him/her anyway. This has happened to me twice in the past decade of spotting (one at JFK). I am willing to do that, but only when I am alone. Because of the risks involved, I would never put my friends in the same position/risk.

    Again, until that official memo goes out to airport management, PAPD, contract security and us, thse incidents may continue here and there. I am glad that we've all been able to stay cool regardless of their ignorance. I empathize with the woman's feeling that she is doing her job, but she clearly needs better guidance from her superiors.
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    Oh, and if you end up leaving as a result of a guard telling you...tell her that you would like her to escort you out, as you refuse to pay for parking if you are being told to leave for doing something that is not against any actual rules.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil D. View Post
    Oh, and if you end up leaving as a result of a guard telling you...tell her that you would like her to escort you out, as you refuse to pay for parking if you are being told to leave for doing something that is not against any actual rules.
    I never even thought about that.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil D. View Post
    Oh, and if you end up leaving as a result of a guard telling you...tell her that you would like her to escort you out, as you refuse to pay for parking if you are being told to leave for doing something that is not against any actual rules.
    I'd be too chicken to do that, especially by myself up there. To me, that's just adding fuel to the fire and potentially a huge waste of time. As ignorant they may be, they are still persuaded they are 100% right, and probably wouldn't mind escalating the situation in such case. That's just me though, I perfectly understand/agree with your points.

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    I dropped off of following this thread after the first burst and am now seeing it again, so apologies for the lateness. Rates for all of the terminal garages are the same, and can be found here http://www.panynj.gov/airports/jfk-parking.html . It's $3 per half-hour up to a daily max of $33 (which you hit once you pass 5 hours). It's a lot, but not totally out of line with short-term parking at other major airports in the northeast (PHL is 40, DCA and IAD are 36, BOS is 27).

    Long-term at JFK is $18, which is quite expensive, plus they charge the full whack for the first 24 hours from the moment you enter. Most other places will charge in either 8 hour increments or will charge a smaller fee for the first hour or two before bumping up to the daily rate.

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    This T5 situation seems like its becoming a powderkeg if it's not there already. Sooner or later, someone, whether it's a spotter or security/LEO, is going to lose their cool for real, and then the sh*t is really going to hit the fan.

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    Though I've been taking pictures as a pilot for over 30 years, when it comes to spotting and taking pictures I'm a relative newbie. Having said that, I'm going to throw out my two-cents worth and I'd like your opinions.

    Is there a non-emergency number for the actual PA police to say "I'm at T5 taking photos, I'll be there from XX PM to YY PM, I'm driving such and such a vehicle, and I'm wearing bermuda shorts, a western shirt, and cowboy boots By the way, what was your name again?" (and they say an airline pilot's wardrobe is the best birth control method known to man...)

    I was spotting in Houston with a guy who does it on a regular basis and he called the Airport Operations folks and we gave them our vehicle info, location, and the times we were going to be there....

    If you could do that, then when/if security comes around, you could either call the PA police yourself or tell them to call--giving them the number and the name of the person you talked to. Best case, you piss them off because you headed them off at the pass. Worst case, the security calls the cops, the cops take you in, and you give them the name of the person you talked to. Maybe a simplistic and logical look at things in a jurisdiction where simplicity and logic aren't part of the equation.

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