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    The owner will be upset! they land on the putting green! ;)

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    Was it actually SS Helo or PD15? I don;t think SS has helos at their disposal. They usually borrow AF or Marines for flight ops or perhaps local folks... they only really have Cars and SUVs to manage or deal with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gonzalu View Post
    Was it actually SS Helo or PD15? I don;t think SS has helos at their disposal. They usually borrow AF or Marines for flight ops or perhaps local folks... they only really have Cars and SUVs to manage or deal with.
    It was NCPD, but hitching a ride was a SS agent:


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    Quote Originally Posted by DWaviation View Post
    The owner will be upset! they land on the putting green! ;)
    Not a big deal, a good superintendent can aerate it and if he uses the right chemicals it would take literally two weeks in May to have it primo.
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    I photographed AF1 once from Inwood Park on 9/11 (backlite), but prior to photographing AF1, I saw there were NCPD and other task force personnel. I approached them and asked if it was okay to photography AF1 coming in, and they said okay. I stayed right next to them and thank them after I was done.

    Here was my image of AF1 on 9/11/11 from Inwood

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    I actually heard Nassau PD 5 tell JFK Tower they were landing on the golf course because there were two people there. I was hoping it wasn't anyone we knew...

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    good catch on the copter Yankees, sorry you and Dennis had this encounter, as long as things went smoothly no problem wat so ever. If i was there i would have been pissed off not catching AF1. But again enforces got a job to do. although i would have never got it from inwood lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yankees368 View Post
    I don't think they learned much of anything from us today. I did, however, learn that they can land their helicopter pretty much wherever they want.
    You didnt think that before? I mean it is the Secret Service!! And its not an SS helo. They always hitch a ride in the back seat of the local law enforcement aviation unit. In this case it was Nassau PD Air Bureau. As the motorcade moved into Manhattan SS agents are aboard NYPD helos. Its pretty much standard procedure. In fact SS agents will ride in the Highway Patrol cars that are in the motorcade. And they didnt learn much but I guess you did.

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    Didnt you stop to tell them that aviation photography was perfectly legal?

    All kidding aside, pretty wild.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mirrodie View Post
    Didnt you stop to tell them that aviation photography was perfectly legal?
    Could you imagine the look on Secret Service's face?
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    It sure is legal, but not when you are apparently in a poorly controlled restricted zone. If they are not going to allow anyone on the country club property when AF1 is in town, maybe they should stop people at the gate? Or put a sign up? Just my opinion.

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    Also, I had initially deleted this file, but I just recovered it off the SD card. This is just before they landed to, uh, have a word with us. Quality is low because of that, and because the camera was at my waist when I took this:


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    Quote Originally Posted by yankees368 View Post
    It sure is legal, but not when you are apparently in a poorly controlled restricted zone. If they are not going to allow anyone on the country club property when AF1 is in town, maybe they should stop people at the gate? Or put a sign up? Just my opinion.

    You have missed the point here. Inwood CC is not owned by a single person. It's owned by 200 members. Apparently Dennis found one the first time he visited there and he was nice enough to allow him to shoot on property. This member is on the board of directors so he had the power to do so without consulting anyone. Being it was the part of year where nobody is at the club and in Florida not too many people were privy to this and it seems Dennis didn't have to call ahead or check in with anyone before his visit which is good practice and something I would do even with permission as a courtesy.

    The GM's knowledge of this was limited and didn't know Dennis was coming for AF1 or he would have informed him that the SS wants the flight path secure when AF1 comes in. If Dennis would have known this by keeping in contact he would have been at the park and had been fine. Which I would have done anyway even with the golf course as an option purely from the fact that being that visible under the approach could have only have went south like it did.


    It is NOT Inwood CC's responsibility to stop you at the gate or put up signs to stop you from pulling a boner. It's YOUR responsibility. It's on you to have the foresight and good judgement to treat any spotting location as a privilege and not a birthright. Whether you have permission or not.

    Not trying to be rude but your comment reeked of entitlement. You should be a little more humble and thankful they even allow on their property. I know most other country clubs would have not even entertained the idea or made you call ahead and be escorted. As always try using some common sense with these things and think big picture. Not just "I need a pic of AF1"
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    Quote Originally Posted by NIKV69 View Post
    You have missed the point here. Inwood CC is not owned by a single person. It's owned by 200 members. Apparently Dennis found one the first time he visited there and he was nice enough to allow him to shoot on property. This member is on the board of directors so he had the power to do so without consulting anyone. Being it was the part of year where nobody is at the club and in Florida not too many people were privy to this and it seems Dennis didn't have to call ahead or check in with anyone before his visit which is good practice and something I would do even with permission as a courtesy.

    The GM's knowledge of this was limited and didn't know Dennis was coming for AF1 or he would have informed him that the SS wants the flight path secure when AF1 comes in. If Dennis would have known this by keeping in contact he would have been at the park and had been fine. Which I would have done anyway even with the golf course as an option purely from the fact that being that visible under the approach could have only have went south like it did.


    It is NOT Inwood CC's responsibility to stop you at the gate or put up signs to stop you from pulling a boner. It's YOUR responsibility. It's on you to have the foresight and good judgement to treat any spotting location as a privilege and not a birthright. Whether you have permission or not.

    Not trying to be rude but your comment reeked of entitlement. You should be a little more humble and thankful they even allow on their property. I know most other country clubs would have not even entertained the idea or made you call ahead and be escorted. As always try using some common sense with these things and think big picture. Not just "I need a pic of AF1"
    Let me clear that up a bit. I am certainty not entitled, I was actually quite humble that I was on their grounds. I did not mean that they club itself should have restricted us from being there, but the police. There was absolutely no warning for anyone who might have entered club property that day that they were not allowed to be there. Had we of known, there is no chance we would have even attempted. I was simply saying that is that property was restricted by the federal government that day, they needed to do a better job of keeping people off it. I simply went by Dennis' word that the owner he talked to said he could come down there any time he wanted to. Sorry for any confusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yankees368 View Post
    I was simply saying that is that property was restricted by the federal government that day, they needed to do a better job of keeping people off it. I simply went by Dennis' word that the owner he talked to said he could come down there any time he wanted to. Sorry for any confusion.
    You're still not getting it and yes you are showing a huge amount of entitlement here. Do you seriously think the Secret Service is going to announce the presidents arrival by posting signs? Come on and use some common sense. They will never give away his position or his planned route even as routine as it is. There has been previous threads here including one of the last ones where NCPD was swooping in on anyone close to the presidents position so common sense would have dictated you head to the park where shooting would have been safe.

    I realize that AF1 causes a stir and for some to get very gung ho but do a little research on how the SS protects the POTUS and plan ahead. It would pay off in the end. For everyone.
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