JFK 03/30/2011

[eric8669]

was out this morning for a bit.















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http://southpawcaptures.squarespace....rch-30th-2011/


Thanks for looking...

[steve1840]

First off nice set!

Now I gotta ask, since me and Kaz were trying to figure it out on Saturday.......How do you guys get the taxiing shots from Bayswater and not have the heat shimmer show up? Is it just based on the time of day that you go? Or just luck?

[moose135]

Very nice, Eric! I really like the head-on shots.

[eric8669]

First off nice set!

Now I gotta ask, since me and Kaz were trying to figure it out on Saturday.......How do you guys get the taxiing shots from Bayswater and not have the heat shimmer show up? Is it just based on the time of day that you go? Or just luck?

Thanks Steve. I get asked that all the time. Its a trade secret.lol

[steve1840]

Thanks Steve. I get asked that all the time. Its a trade secret.lol

Aw man.......Lol

Guess I'll be doin some experimenting next time down.

[RomNYC]

Great reflections on the water! Lovely set Eric.

[NIKV69]

First off nice set!

Now I gotta ask, since me and Kaz were trying to figure it out on Saturday.......How do you guys get the taxiing shots from Bayswater and not have the heat shimmer show up? Is it just based on the time of day that you go? Or just luck?

Time of day and angle you are shooting the aircraft play a part as does the temps between air and ground or water. Wiki has a good paragraph on it. If you are at Bayswater at sunrise you run more chance or having a less difference in air and ground temp but once the sun warms the air forget it.

Cold air is denser than warm air and has therefore a greater refractive index. As light passes from colder air across a sharp boundary to significantly warmer air, the light rays bend away from the direction of the temperature gradient. When light rays pass from hotter to colder, they bend toward the direction of the gradient. If the air near the ground is warmer than that higher up, the light ray bends in a concave, upward trajectory

So it's hardly a trade secret but more of a case of getting up early. Not to mention at Bayswater you have all that water that throws even more into the mix with all that water too.

[eric8669]

Time of day and angle you are shooting the aircraft play a part as does the temps between air and ground or water. Wiki has a good paragraph on it. If you are at Bayswater at sunrise you run more chance or having a less difference in air and ground temp but once the sun warms the air forget it.

Cold air is denser than warm air and has therefore a greater refractive index. As light passes from colder air across a sharp boundary to significantly warmer air, the light rays bend away from the direction of the temperature gradient. When light rays pass from hotter to colder, they bend toward the direction of the gradient. If the air near the ground is warmer than that higher up, the light ray bends in a concave, upward trajectory

So it's hardly a trade secret but more of a case of getting up early. Not to mention at Bayswater you have all that water that throws even more into the mix with all that water too.

hardly getting up early as all these shots were taken after 9AM. Good read though.

All I know is I do change my camera settings to shoot across and yes the angle you are at definitely is a factor.

[steve1840]

That makes sense. Would explain why once the planes get off the ground on takeoff the heat shimmer either goes away or goes mostly away since that temperature boundry isn't there anymore. Or at least not as much.

Does it also have anything to do with trying to zoom in on the planes across the bay there too? I hear people talk about when you zoom to say 400mm, you are compressing more of the air between you and the subject than you would if you were to shoot it at 300mm. Does that play into it also, and exaggerate it?

[NIKV69]

All I know is I do change my camera settings to shoot across

You change your settings to get rid of heat haze? How? As for time of morning it's relative like anything else. Not to mention shooting over water gives you a bigger buffer since water warms up in the sun much slower than pavement or asphalt. In fact if all that water was airport tarmac like at LAX or LAS it would be much different once the sun broke the horizon. I am sure once the sun gets stronger earlier it would be slightly different but I was trying to give Steve an answer.

[seahawks7757]

Yummy, you are making me crave JFK so bad right now.

[eric8669]

You change your settings to get rid of heat haze? How? As for time of morning it's relative like anything else. I am sure once the sun gets stronger earlier it would be slightly different but I was trying to give Steve an answer.

No, I mean I have different settings from when I shoot the planes landing on 4R and the taxi shots on 4L. I also change where I am standing. I'm not saying it helps or not.

[NIKV69]

No, I mean I have different settings from when I shoot the planes landing on 4R and the taxi shots on 4L. I also change where I am standing. I'm not saying it helps or not.

Oh I am sorry Eric my mistake I mis-understood you.

[NLovis]

Yummy, you are making me crave JFK so bad right now.

Want to trade? I wouldnt mind shooting some 787 and 748 aircraft.

[eric8669]

That makes sense. Would explain why once the planes get off the ground on takeoff the heat shimmer either goes away or goes mostly away since that temperature boundry isn't there anymore. Or at least not as much.

Does it also have anything to do with trying to zoom in on the planes across the bay there too? I hear people talk about when you zoom to say 400mm, you are compressing more of the air between you and the subject than you would if you were to shoot it at 300mm. Does that play into it also, and exaggerate it?

Well you pretty much need 400mm to shoot across the bay