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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    F9 has been posting a profit, not struggling. Oh that is right, WN cannot stand healthy competitors, they go after the small or the weak.

    WN just wants the assets, and they clearly state will hire F9 has needed, which might be never. The F9 employees do not deserve too loose their jobs, because they have busted their butts to return the company to profitiability.

    And do not forget if WN get this, they still have to pay Republic Airways Holdings $150 million for monies lent to F9, which has to be a burr up their butt also.


    Funny speaking to alot of F9 employees and reading alot of post on a pilot forum, the F9 pilots do not want the WN deal to go through, they see the writing on the wall

    T-Bird, I am aware of the AA/TWA I was there, I am talking about how AA did not take alot of the TWA employees or they were placed at the bottom of the seniority list, that is all I meant of AA/TWA.

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    Of course, no one deserves to lose their jobs, but it's the airline industry. It happens more where we are than any other industry. I don't know anyone that's worked in this industry for a while that has never been furloughed or laid off. It's just how capitalism works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil D.
    Of course, no one deserves to lose their jobs, but it's the airline industry. It happens more where we are than any other industry. I don't know anyone that's worked in this industry for a while that has never been furloughed or laid off. It's just how capitalism works.
    Phil really has nothing to do with the airline industry, it happens everyday in far more industries then the airline industry. You just hear about it more since the airline industry is so public. Just to give you an example of how often it happens, my company has bought out 5 competitors in the last year, that's far more buyouts then what goes on in the airline industry and that's just my company.

    What ticks me off with WN's bid is their blog statements...they should just come out and say they are securing their market in Denver by removing Frontier. Instead they are trying to sugar coat it.

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    I dont think taking over Frontier Airlines is a good thing, because you would ruin all those beautiful tails from Frontier. I do not want to see that happening,unless SWA keeps the tails the way they are..
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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    This has nothing to do with capitalism, WN just cannot stand competition.

    You know WN claims they are such a airline dedicated to their employees happiness, and great work environment, but buy another airline a screw those employees...BS!!!!! Simple. You want F9, keep the employees, merge them into WN seniority.

    I would much rather see F9 flying the WN anyday, the F9 name has a great history in commercial aviation, and was ressurected for this F9, because that was the niche market.

    DO YOU REALLY THINK WN WILL KEEP DEN-Jackson Hole, DEN-CAK/DEN-DAY...taking service away from cities that really need air service

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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    CRJ, I am right here with you on this one. The vultures from LUV are going to pretty much chew up and spit out F9 and all of its employees. I am with RPA on this one. :borat:
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    Quote Originally Posted by hiss srq
    CRJ, I am right here with you on this one. The vultures from LUV are going to pretty much chew up and spit out F9 and all of its employees. I am with RPA on this one. :borat:
    I guess we'll see what happens, but I expect to see F9 operated a separate ticket at least for a while. Then, of course, will come the integration of the pilot lists. I'm sure there are relatively junior F9 F/Os that are praying that this deal will go through, however there have got to be tons of senior F9 F/Os and Captains that do not want to be put on the bottom of the WN seniority list like what happened when WN took over Muse Air.

    Not sure what will happen this time and not trying to be naive or anything, but WN is pretty well know for it's great treatment of its own employees. I'm sure there are going to be people cut which sucks (I believe the corporate types refer to that as "synergies") but overall this has got to be a better deal than being taken over by RAH.. I mean, if a takeover is unavoidable (which it looks to be), would you rather find yourself in a (relatively) well-paid right seat at a profitable 737 operator with a long history of strong labor relations (although some folks at SWAPA may disagree) or the right seat of a JungleJet at a MESA-clone bottomfeeder? I guess to each its own

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    Quote Originally Posted by crj200dispatcher
    This has nothing to do with capitalism, WN just cannot stand competition.
    Isn't that the definition of capitalism?

    If this was an American vs. Southwest topic, I think people would side with WN as if they were the little guy.

    I look at how some people take sides and it looks like a sports rivalry. To me, it's just business and that's how the industry goes. I see nothing wrong with what they are doing.
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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    Quote Originally Posted by AnBok
    Quote Originally Posted by hiss srq
    CRJ, I am right here with you on this one. The vultures from LUV are going to pretty much chew up and spit out F9 and all of its employees. I am with RPA on this one. :borat:
    I guess we'll see what happens, but I expect to see F9 operated a separate ticket at least for a while. Then, of course, will come the integration of the pilot lists. I'm sure there are relatively junior F9 F/Os that are praying that this deal will go through, however there have got to be tons of senior F9 F/Os and Captains that do not want to be put on the bottom of the WN seniority list like what happened when WN took over Muse Air.

    Not sure what will happen this time and not trying to be naive or anything, but WN is pretty well know for it's great treatment of its own employees. I'm sure there are going to be people cut which sucks (I believe the corporate types refer to that as "synergies") but overall this has got to be a better deal than being taken over by RAH.. I mean, if a takeover is unavoidable (which it looks to be), would you rather find yourself in a (relatively) well-paid right seat at a profitable 737 operator with a long history of strong labor relations (although some folks at SWAPA may disagree) or the right seat of a JungleJet at a MESA-clone bottomfeeder? I guess to each its own
    WN is known for treatment of their own employees hired by their own department. WN is a vulture just like AA is. The employees of F9 will get screwed and spun on this deal and it will happen strictly to give them a leg against UA at DEN. It is the nature of Southwest. Pilots etc will have to interview to keep their jobs when an intergration takes place and WN will only do this if they are actyually expanding etc. I think they just want to kill a competitor.
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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    If you guys owned a business that was hurting in a cut-throat industry in a down economy...you wouldn't try to eliminate competitors?
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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    Quote Originally Posted by hiss srq

    WN is known for treatment of their own employees hired by their own department. WN is a vulture just like AA is. The employees of F9 will get screwed and spun on this deal and it will happen strictly to give them a leg against UA at DEN. It is the nature of Southwest. Pilots etc will have to interview to keep their jobs when an intergration takes place and WN will only do this if they are actyually expanding etc. I think they just want to kill a competitor.

    Still a better deal than being swallowed up by RAH

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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil D.
    If you guys owned a business that was hurting in a cut-throat industry in a down economy...you wouldn't try to eliminate competitors?
    Yep. Sounds like it's going to be a bit of the pain loading off those 'Buses. Heard that Skywest is supposedly interested in Lynx's Q400 operation

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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    Quote Originally Posted by AnBok
    Quote Originally Posted by hiss srq

    WN is known for treatment of their own employees hired by their own department. WN is a vulture just like AA is. The employees of F9 will get screwed and spun on this deal and it will happen strictly to give them a leg against UA at DEN. It is the nature of Southwest. Pilots etc will have to interview to keep their jobs when an intergration takes place and WN will only do this if they are actyually expanding etc. I think they just want to kill a competitor.

    Still a better deal than being swallowed up by RAH
    Not at all bvecause RAH in this case would actually be maintaining the airline and operation in its current form while WN would simply just be killing F9 for their own profitability while displaciing more of america's work force.
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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    A snag in WN's plans?

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent ... bbefb.html

    Southwest Airlines' bid for Frontier runs into trouble
    09:49 AM CDT on Thursday, August 13, 2009
    By ERIC TORBENSON / The Dallas Morning News


    Southwest Airlines' bid for Frontier Airlines may be in trouble.

    According to an e-mail purportedly sent from Southwest’s pilot union to its members, the union failed to reach a deal with Frontier’s pilots union last night over integration terms. Getting that deal is a condition of Southwest’s bid. The e-mail from the union says Southwest will ask for an extension on its $170 million bid for Frontier’s assets, as the auction was set to take place on Thursday.

    Southwest Airlines Pilots Association spokesman Neal Hanks said in an e-mail that the union would not comment until events had played out in court. A message to Southwest wasn’t immediately returned Thursday morning.

    Southwest CEO Gary Kelly said Wednesday after a transportation conference in Irving that the lack of agreements between labor unions could scuttle Southwest’s bid.

    Southwest is bidding against Republic Airways Group Inc., which bid $108.75 million for Frontier and intends to let the carrier operate on its own. Southwest would absorb Frontier into its system over the course of two years.

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    Re: Southwest Preparing a Bid for Frontier Airlines

    Quote Originally Posted by crj200dispatcher
    F9 has been posting a profit, not struggling. Oh that is right, WN cannot stand healthy competitors, they go after the small or the weak.

    WN just wants the assets, and they clearly state will hire F9 has needed, which might be never. The F9 employees do not deserve too loose their jobs, because they have busted their butts to return the company to profitiability.

    And do not forget if WN get this, they still have to pay Republic Airways Holdings $150 million for monies lent to F9, which has to be a burr up their butt also.


    Funny speaking to alot of F9 employees and reading alot of post on a pilot forum, the F9 pilots do not want the WN deal to go through, they see the writing on the wall

    T-Bird, I am aware of the AA/TWA I was there, I am talking about how AA did not take alot of the TWA employees or they were placed at the bottom of the seniority list, that is all I meant of AA/TWA.
    Frontier is in bankruptcy and not paying bills, so, the profit could be short lived the minute they emerge from bankruptcy protection

    As for any monies owed to Republic, that would not be the responsibility of Southwest. Republic would have to wait in line like everybody else....
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