Double Shocker- Taconic Pkwy accident

[PhilDernerJr]

Also your erratic argument is contradicted by the many witnesses who called 911 to report she was tailgating, beeping at cars in front of her going slower than she was, straddling lanes and passing on the shoulder. All classic tactics used by aggressive drivers and not someone who was just heavy on the pedal from Vodka.

My next question was going to be what your definition of "agressive driving" was, as I had not heard the reports that you mentioned. If that is the case, then I'd agree that there was somethign up with her emotionally as well.

For me, I'm a love drunk. I get a few drinks and I tell everyone how much I love and appreciate them. However, when I drink blackhaus, bad news. I get violent, plot murder, wars, arson, rip tickets off of mattresses.....bad stuff.

[NIKV69]

What is missing is the events of that morning before she got into her minivan. Some sort of trigger, fight with husband etc. I mean even if this woman was a drunk or pot smoker to ingest that much before driving home from a campsite is wierd. Also I find it a little odd that her husband made the trip back seperately. I know it's not totally off the wall but there are many pieces of this puzzle missing. If she indeed was not normally an agressive driver what made her seem to be in such a hurry to get home? Did she buy the bottle of Vodka that morning? Was the one in found in the van the one she ingested? Until we found what put her in that state of mind we are just guessing. Though the family of the other three men killed is going to try to bring criminal charges. Which I think is going to hard but someone will be digging and if they are good we may get these answers but If I was a betting man I would rule out suicide and say something either pissed her off (fight w husband or something similiar) and she lost it and due to the fact she had to shuttle the kids back south the Island was rushing to get here. Where and when she smoked and drank is tough but she missed the right on ramp and the rest is history to use a terrible cliche. We should keep bumping this thread since I am sure the media will be on top of any developments in the crash and subsequent criminal or wrongful death proceedings.

[PhilDernerJr]

I hate this part...when the family of victims is so unable to deal with their grief that they struggle to find a way to pin it on the family of the deceased aggressor, or whoever can cough up some money to make them feel better.

[Gerard]

>[quote="NIKV69"]What is missing is the events of that morning before she got into her minivan. Some sort of trigger, fight with husband etc. I mean even if this woman was a drunk or pot smoker to ingest that much before driving home from a campsite is wierd. Also I find it a little odd that her husband made the trip back seperately. I know it's not totally off the wall but there are many pieces of this puzzle missing <

Yeah the husband angle is interesting. When I heard that he left by himself it gave me an "Mmmmmmmm?" moment. He also hired
famed criminal attorney Dominick Barbara today.
And buying liquor is something you can do at the spur of the moment, heading to any number of stores. Buying pot is totally
different. Where did she get it and from whom? Somebody at this moment is scrambling...or lawyering up.
And Phil I dont think the Yonkers family is looking for a payoff but I sure as hell agree with them looking for justice.

[mirrodie]

Gerard, my thoughts as well. The husband's story just seems out of sorts. The history that she's not a heavy drinker, just doesnt add up.
The portrayal of a mum with a seemingly clear past gone off the deep end is suspect given the nature of the accident details.

[mirrodie]

been watching fox 5 tonight, their lawyer Dominic Barbera said:

she never drank

she drove 40 mph only

the hubby is suicidal....


just snippets from the lawyer taking the case on for free!

[PhilDernerJr]

the lawyer is saying she never drank that day or in general beforehand? Same question applies to the 40mph.

[NIKV69]

Oh lord, where did they find this guy under a rock? Fresh from the Jessica Hahn and Joey days. Well the reason he took this pro bono is #1 the husband has no money and #2. This is shaping up to be one of the biggest news stories and his face will be everywhere. Not to mention he doesn't have to do much to win criminally. The plaintiffs only really have a chance with wrongful death in a civil suit. As for his claims it's his normal diversionary tactics with the knowledge this won't ever go to trial.

[mirrodie]

the lawyer is saying she never drank that day or in general beforehand? Same question applies to the 40mph.

Lawyer asks on TV, "Did she drink? NEVER."

and later says the reason the hubby and her went separate is that he drove the dog and she drove 40 MPH.

Something doesnt seem right at all about the entire situation. Its akin to the Mets beating the Cards 9-0.

[mirrodie]

Barbera handled Hahn? And Joey Buttafuoco?

Wow.

Getting weirder and weirder.

BTW, Nick, I haven't seen the Factor in several days. Have you seen if OReilly commented on the story? Its local but it has made national headlines on foxnews.com.

[Mellyrose]

That is great phil but alcohol doesn't produce behavior it impairs behavior. Alcohol doesn't turn a normal careful driver into an aggressive one.

I have to interject.

Alcohol actually can do really effed up things to otherwise very calm and collected people (think Dr. Jekyll/Mr. Hyde), making them extremely hostile, irrational and violent.

The drugs and alcohol could have sent Schuler, who may have been an already emotional or upset woman, on a reckless rampage...whether it was homicidal/suicidal may never be known.

[Matt Molnar]

Barbera handled Hahn? And Joey Buttafuoco?

I believe he got his start with Hahn, which earned him some appearances on Howard Stern. Later he represented Joey and Mary Jo at different times. And Michael Lohan.

And he represented that guy who sued his wife to get his kidney back during their divorce.

Anyway, all the early reports stated that investigators DID NOT think alcohol was a factor because witnesses said they saw no swerving, no skid marks...she drove straight as an arrow. It IS possible that she passed out before the wreck and drove straight for a couple miles. Or it's possible the lab tests were wrong. Or it's possible she wanted to kill herself and others and used booze as liquid courage. Or, or, or...

Basically we'll never know what really happened, so there's not really any reason to argue about it. Only a matter of time until pols use this incident as justification for breathalyzers and black boxes in every vehicle.

[Mellyrose]

....as justification for breathalyzers...in every vehicle.

Honestly, though extremely far fetched, if it meant putting one in every car of dangerous drunk drivers, I'd be HAPPY to have a breathalyzer in my car in order to start it every single time.

[mirrodie]

Basically we'll never know what really happened

Actually given the details thus far and further investigation, I think its only a matter of time.

[NIKV69]

The drugs and alcohol could have sent Schuler, who may have been an already emotional or upset woman, on a reckless rampage...whether it was homicidal/suicidal may never be known.

Would like to see a source here, most science doesn't agree with this. Any aggressive behavior could have not been triggered by simply ingesting that much vodka and had to come before this fact.

Actually given the details thus far and further investigation, I think its only a matter of time.

Just heard on the news her husband is going to try to exhume her body so he can conduct an independant autopsy. Also he is saying she could have had diabetes or a tooth problem which I would think he is going to try to play the medication thing.