JFK might be a real cluster this summer !

**LGA777** · 2009-02-19, 08:06 PM

Althought not mentioned in the below article I am hearing dates of June 1st thru the end of September for this project.

http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/ ... se-delays/?

Good luck to the airline employees and crews at JFK, oh yeah and the passengers to.

LGA777

**Matt Molnar** · 2009-02-19, 08:10 PM

Wow, that's nuts.

**MarkLawrence** · 2009-02-19, 08:13 PM

Wow - that's a heck of a project!

**mirrodie** · 2009-02-19, 10:14 PM

Can't wait to see more of this

**AirtrafficController** · 2009-02-19, 10:29 PM

It looks like the 4s and 22s will be more in use then ever.

**Iberia A340-600** · 2009-02-19, 10:41 PM

I'm surprised this project is for 13R/31L rather then 13L/31R.

Looks like we won't have any banking shots this summer but I'm curious to see how often 13L will be used for departures, if ever?

**T-Bird76** · 2009-02-19, 11:51 PM

This isn't new news.....this has been on the books for over a year now. In regards to the project Port is being very proactive in how they are going about construction. The construction area itself is going to be totally fenced off effectively isolating the construction zone from the rest of the field. This will allow the work to be done without construction vehicles having to be escorted every time they come and go. This will dramatically speed up construction while keeping Port resources mainly free to manage the airport.

This won't have any dramatic effect on delays, JFK generally only uses two runways at a time plus the still can use 31R.

**PhilDernerJr** · 2009-02-20, 12:49 AM

How will this affect 4/22 ops at the intersection with 31L/13R?

**RussK19** · 2009-02-20, 01:32 AM

I have a question, if the 13R/31L is going to be completely closed...

Is there a rational chance for them to use 13L for landings as they often did during the past summers, or does it mean that 13L wont be used at all now???

**Iberia A340-600** · 2009-02-20, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by RussK19

I have a question, if the 13R/31L is going to be completely closed...

Is there a rational chance for them to use 13L for landings as they often did during the past summers, or does it mean that 13L wont be used at all now???

I'm sure 13L will be used just as often as it has been used in the past during the summers. The question is whether or not 13L will be used for take offs which isn't a very common occurrence.

**Speedbird1** · 2009-02-20, 11:35 AM

During this construction next spring(2010), JFK will have to stop "enhanced departures" where 31L is used solely for departures whenever arrivals use 4R or 22L. With 31L being closed, this would be impossible. How will JFK operate when there is a strong NW or SE wind and they cannot use the 4's or 22's? All arrivals and departures will have to use Rwy 13L/31R. This would be a nightmare. If I were a JFK controller, I'd go on a leave of absence next spring. Of course, they're spoiled, LGA has no parallel pairs of runways, but again LGA doesn't have the traffic flow. Incidentally, the closure is not scheduled for this year but for next and it would be in the spring, March-June, and not during the summer rush.

**PhilDernerJr** · 2009-02-20, 01:07 PM

LGA doesn't have the traffic flow? I think it's the other way around compared to airport capacity.

**Speedbird1** · 2009-02-20, 01:41 PM

Of course LGA doesn't have the same traffic capacity as JFK. Where can I find last years' arrivals/departures statistics for both airports? It should be interesting. It must be posted somewhere.