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    TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Ars Technica:
    TSA to let polite terrorists fly without ID

    By Ryan Paul | Published: June 10, 2008 - 09:56PM CT

    A new Transportation Security Agency (TSA) policy will block passengers from flying if they do not have proper ID, but only if they exhibit defiance. Passengers who merely forgot to bring ID will still be permitted to fly, but will be subjected to a physical screening and enhanced baggage screening.

    "Passengers that willfully refuse to provide identification at security checkpoint will be denied access to the secure area of airports. This change will apply exclusively to individuals that simply refuse to provide any identification or assist transportation security officers in ascertaining their identity," TSA said in a policy statement. "This new procedure will not affect passengers that may have misplaced, lost or otherwise do not have ID but are cooperative with officers."

    Prior to enforcement of this policy, passengers without ID were still permitted to fly after undergoing the more invasive screening regardless of their attitude or their reason for not showing ID. [Full Article]
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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    This is a dangerous policy and a dangerous article. What's the point of having the TSA iffin they'll let just anybody fly without id?
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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Quote Originally Posted by wunaladreamin
    This is a dangerous policy and a dangerous article. What's the point of having the TSA iffin they'll let just anybody fly without id?
    It's already the policy. People who don't have ID have to go through secondary screening, but they can still get through. Basically the change is that you just have to lie about not having your ID with you instead of telling them 'no'.
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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    It has been the policy all along. Just another journalist reading into something the wrong way and having to meet a deadline.
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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    seriously now, how sad is that. it's like rewarding people for being stupid. BRING YOUR ID!
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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Id doesn't mean anything anyways, unless its a passport. A fake can easily slip by a TSA agent without being noticed...

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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Quote Originally Posted by Lezam
    Id doesn't mean anything anyways, unless its a passport. A fake can easily slip by a TSA agent without being noticed...
    Exactly...this whole ID thing is more security theater than actual security. Any moderately intelligent terrorist would show ID, quite possibly a real one, if he or she intended to cause harm on a plane or inside an airport.

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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    So how does your senile grandma that left her ID at home, with no ID to prove that she is actually holding her ticket get on the aircraft...simple the airline marks her tkt as a Special selectee(SSSS) and she gets the whole 9 yards at the TSA gate...thats how its worked from then till now. This is just a revision,an amendment.

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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Quote Originally Posted by Lezam
    Id doesn't mean anything anyways, unless its a passport. A fake can easily slip by a TSA agent without being noticed...

    Ah, another uneducated comment...

    You put up the IDs and I'll get the officers to look through them and tell you which is fake. By the way if you are going to now quote a poster from flyertalk.com (or flyerwhine as I call it) who claims to have gone through with a fake ID they are full of BS.
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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Quote Originally Posted by Informant
    So how does your senile grandma that left her ID at home, with no ID to prove that she is actually holding her ticket get on the aircraft...simple the airline marks her tkt as a Special selectee(SSSS) and she gets the whole 9 yards at the TSA gate...thats how its worked from then till now. This is just a revision,an amendment.

    A lot of seniors get designated as selectees because they buy one way tickets not knowing if or when they may return.


    There are circumstances where the TA can de-select a passenger but most don't bother to take the time.
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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    And just for all of our airline employees out there, if you present a valid ID you cannot be made a selectee, no airline employee can, from bag handler to chief pilot.

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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Quote Originally Posted by emshighway


    A lot of seniors get designated as selectees because they buy one way tickets not knowing if or when they may return.

    .
    Back when I worked for the Long Island Railroad I sold tickets at all teh branch stations and sometimes Penn Station.

    I never felt quite right when a senoir asked me for a ONE way ticket to Pinelawn station. Still gets me to this day....

    Quote Originally Posted by Informant
    And just for all of our airline employees out there, if you present a valid ID you cannot be made a selectee, no airline employee can, from bag handler to chief pilot.
    That sounds a bit unsettling. Wonder how true that is.
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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Quote Originally Posted by Informant
    And just for all of our airline employees out there, if you present a valid ID you cannot be made a selectee, no airline employee can, from bag handler to chief pilot.
    Really? Interesting, a co-worker and I were flying to LAX last January and they did secondary screening on him even though he had his SIDA badge in clear view. I think the screener said his sweatshirt looked bulky - but he's just a bit chunky If you can get post some official place where I can read that - I'll definitely bring it up next time.

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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Quote Originally Posted by PHL Approach
    Quote Originally Posted by Informant
    And just for all of our airline employees out there, if you present a valid ID you cannot be made a selectee, no airline employee can, from bag handler to chief pilot.
    Really? Interesting, a co-worker and I were flying to LAX last January and they did secondary screening on him even though he had his SIDA badge in clear view. I think the screener said his sweatshirt looked bulky - but he's just a bit chunky If you can get post some official place where I can read that - I'll definitely bring it up next time.

    Well, perhaps Informant is a bit misinformed? I figured EMSHighway might clarify at some point. :)
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    Re: TSA Policy: Terrorists Can Fly Without ID If They Ask Nicely

    Quote Originally Posted by PHL Approach
    Quote Originally Posted by Informant
    And just for all of our airline employees out there, if you present a valid ID you cannot be made a selectee, no airline employee can, from bag handler to chief pilot.
    Really? Interesting, a co-worker and I were flying to LAX last January and they did secondary screening on him even though he had his SIDA badge in clear view. I think the screener said his sweatshirt looked bulky - but he's just a bit chunky If you can get post some official place where I can read that - I'll definitely bring it up next time.
    don't forget, a SIDA means nothing when you're flying. you'd need the actual airline ID card. a SIDA badge is only valid when you're working and on the area of the airport where you have business. you're not supposed to drive over to AAL to visit the tin kitchen...
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