Democratic debates on 21-January

[T-Bird76]

Seeing Rudy flail the way he is almost hurts. I do think he had great potential, but his 9/11 train is running out of steam. I'm sick of it myself.

Mike, I have to agree with others when they say that the GOP has no good players this year. Nine candidates and no one that truly has potential.

From the looks of it, Hillary will be winning it. Man, that hurts to say.

Is it too late to register as a Democrat to vote for Obama int he primary? :(

I agree with you Phil on Obama. I want to throw my support behind him. The simple fact that he hasn't been in Washington his entire life sells me on him. I really beleive he's the kind of canidate that can "look outside the box" so to speak and bring a fresh perspective to politics. He's young to so I think he understands the trends and the challenges that will affect the younger future generations of this country. I also like his social ideas that would affect me personally.

[Matt Molnar]

Fred Thompson has called it quits.

[T-Bird76]

Fred Thompson has called it quits.

Might be just me but I wouldn't be surprised to see him on the ticket as a VP with whoever gets the GOP nomination.

[jran225]

I agree with you Phil on Obama. I want to throw my support behind him. The simple fact that he hasn't been in Washington his entire life sells me on him. I really beleive he's the kind of canidate that can "look outside the box" so to speak and bring a fresh perspective to politics. He's young to so I think he understands the trends and the challenges that will affect the younger future generations of this country. I also like his social ideas that would affect me personally.

Very well said, Tommy. That's exactly why I plan on voting for him. I just got back from dropping off my voter registration. :D

Greets,
-Omar S.

[T-Bird76]

I agree with you Phil on Obama. I want to throw my support behind him. The simple fact that he hasn't been in Washington his entire life sells me on him. I really beleive he's the kind of canidate that can "look outside the box" so to speak and bring a fresh perspective to politics. He's young to so I think he understands the trends and the challenges that will affect the younger future generations of this country. I also like his social ideas that would affect me personally.

Very well said, Tommy. That's exactly why I plan on voting for him. I just got back from dropping off my voter registration. :D

Greets,
-Omar S.

OMG that is so AWESOME OMAR!!!! Congrats on taking part in this thing we call democracy! I remember when I first voted, man it was great! I'm glad to see you care about the issues and how the canidates will affect your life! Every young person needs to vote!

[Midnight Mike]

Fred Thompson has called it quits.

Yes, now the Republican party will start getting interesting!

Oh yeah, this is what Dick Morris said about Hilliary Clinton:

Hillary Clinton stated she has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef".

If nominated Clinton will not win, she will get the support of the Democrat base, but, Independents will vote Republican. Obama has a better chance of winning the Independant votes.

[T-Bird76]

Fred Thompson has called it quits.

Yes, now the Republican party will start getting interesting!

Oh yeah, this is what Dick Morris said about Hilliary Clinton:

Hillary Clinton stated she has experience because she has 8 years in the white house, Dick Morris stated "so has the pastry chef".

If nominated Clinton will not win, she will get the support of the Democrat base, but, Independents will vote Republican. Obama has a better chance of winning the Independant votes.

Mike it depends on who her running mate is. A Clinton/Obama ticket could just be the thing to put her in the White house. I don't see him playing second fiddle to her but he's young and could run again very easily or look at a VP spot as a spring board for the Oval office. In any event I'm going to be doing some research on Obama myself. I love this election stuff...The Giants in the Superbowl have nothing on this! LOLOLOL

[NIKV69]

I think you will be a little surprised, I think Rudy will do well in Fla, his candicy is not just about 9/11. I don't know what you guys are watching but it's not all just 9/11. At least not what I have seen. Romney is jelly fish who flip flops on everything and unfortunately his being a mormon will prevent him from getting the nod. It will be McCain or Rudy beating Hillary. I don't know where Tommy got this 50% for Hillary in the general. The majority of the country hates her. You have to carry more than California and NY to win as we saw in 04'. So Hiillary will not be our first female president. As for the debate I think Obama did a decent job of defending himself but you have to realize when he said "What the Clintons are saying about me is not true" it's nothing we don't already know about Bubba and Hillary, they are Eliteists, who indulge themselves in entitelism and in the end Obama's being left of her and just a tad inexperienced will be his downfall. Not some rhetoric the Clinton machine is speading about him.

[PhilDernerJr]

Nick, I agree about what you say about many of the candidates, but the truth is that the media doesn't show a lot of that stuff and therefore the people who don't do research (most people) won't know it either. all you see on TV is Rudy saying "9/11!!!" and smear campaigns.

[NIKV69]

Nick, I agree about what you say about many of the candidates, but the truth is that the media doesn't show a lot of that stuff and therefore the people who don't do research (most people) won't know it either. all you see on TV is Rudy saying "9/11!!!" and smear campaigns.

True but as we saw in 04' after polsters predicted a Kerry landslide you have to remember that there are many voters that don't get involved with the rhetoric and this crap we saw last night. That uses the candidates stance on issues to make a decision. For all you new Obama supporters do you know he voted against English as our official language? Don't confuse his ability to speak in front of a lot of people as the ability to lead. As much as I hate to admit but Hillary is much smarter and much more capable of leading this country than he is. As for everything else we should wait till after super tuesday since the picture will get much clearer.

[PhilDernerJr]

Hillary talks more about potential actions, and Obama talks about vision. I'd honestly rather have someone who know where the country should be and figure out how to do it later than someone who has plans for things I feel would be bad for the country.

The simple fact that he hasn't been in Washington his entire life sells me on him.

Agreed and I see the point, but with his lack of experience concerns me because it can make it difficult for him to pick a sold cabinet, which a "man of vision" needs to back up his thoughts.

[T-Bird76]

[quote=Phil D.]Hillary talks more about potential actions, and Obama talks about vision. I'd honestly rather have someone who know where the country should be and figure out how to do it later than someone who has plans for things I feel would be bad for the country.

The simple fact that he hasn't been in Washington his entire life sells me on him.

Agreed and I see the point, but with his lack of experience concerns me because it can make it difficult for him to pick a sold cabinet, which a "man of vision" needs to back up his thoughts.[/quote:0e88d]

Phil have you asked yourself what kind of experience did Washington had running a country? He was a man of vision and his vision turned out pretty good. Experience can be an overrated trait that can blind people to our countries full potential.

[PhilDernerJr]

The complexities of running a country have changed a lot.

A President with a bit less experience or knowledge can easily apply his vision with a strong cabinet. I think that the cabinet a President picks is just as important as the President him/herself.

I like Obama...I really do. I'd vote for him over Romney if it came down to that. However, it seems that he doesn't have the networking accomplished, or enough buddies in Washington to put together a good team.

Like for me. Sure, I think I can make decisions for the site, but I don't have all the skills to apply absolutely everything I can to it.. Without a team to help do the work, the research, the moderating, programming, etc., I need a skilled team.

[Midnight Mike]

Phil have you asked yourself what kind of experience did Washington had running a country? He was a man of vision and his vision turned out pretty good. Experience can be an overrated trait that can blind people to our countries full potential.

The only thing the impresses me about Obama is that he can give a good speech & he seems to be a very likeable guy.

As for his change mantra, which he borrowed from John Edwards, not sure how he is going to accomplish it with his lack of experience in both the private sector & government.

Obama has been in the Senate for less than "1" term.

1993-1996 lawyer
1997-2004 served in the State Senate
2004-present US Senate (sworn in 2005)

John Kerry critized John Edwards back in 2004 for his lack of experience & John Edwards served in the US Senate for 1 term (6 years) which was more than Obama, & yet, John Kerry is endorsing
Obama in 2008 & Obama has "2" years of expierence in the Senate.

As for Obama surrounding himself with experience, welll here are some of Obama's endorsements (Senator John Kerry, Senator Carl Levin, Retired Senator Tom Daschle , Senator Claire McCaskill, Senator Tim Johnson & Senator Ben Nelson). So, if you voted for John Kerry in 2004, then Obama's your man....

Of couse, when looking at the other options, Clinton or Edwards, Obama does seem like an interesting alternative.

Kind of funny how people say the Republicans don't have any good candidates & I say the Democrat choices this year are terrrible.

Looking at the 3 choices, you have 1 candidate who has 2 years of experience in the Senate, another candidate that has "6" years of experience, & finally the most experienced of the group has about "7" years of experience. All have never has any jobs where they gained any type of leadership experience.

So, I say, vote for the person you want, but, really take a look at the backgrounds of the various candidates & not just to listen to the speeches......

[PhilDernerJr]

It's true about Obama. He may well collapse under the pressure.

It's one thing for someone to not have experience (Hillary, Obama), but it's another for some people (Hillary) to toss us all a shovel-full of it that they have 35 years of it. It honestly shocks me.