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Rudy - "I don't know her experience, She's never run a city, never ran a state, never ran a busines, never met a payroll, never been responsible for the safety & security of millions of people much less hundreds of people, so I am (Rudy) trying to figure out what experience is she talking about. We don't need OJT (on the job training) for a President."
“The problem with socialism is that you eventually,
run out of other people’s money.” - Margaret Thatcher
Ha. I'm no fan of Clinton, but if Giuliani thinks he can run this country the same way he ran this city, he'll be in for a very rude awakening. At our expense, most likely.
And I hope he doesn't try to use that as a campaign strategy when talking to impartial audiences, lest Clinton actually tries to campaign against him...
The way you run a city is different from the way you run a state, & different from the way you run a country....Originally Posted by adam613
So, to answer your concern, no.....
The topic had to do with leadership & results, which Senator Clinton has not demostrated....
I remember the first 100 days when Rudy was Mayor, when he took over from Dinkins, he showed results.....
“The problem with socialism is that you eventually,
run out of other people’s money.” - Margaret Thatcher
Rudy has a point, but it's not the strongest when he says that. She doesn't have the right experience for run the country, I think.
In addition, I honestly feel that she will make small adjustments which would be the beginning of the US moving to become the next socialist France. "Subtle Socialism" is a major disease on this planet.
Rudy's experience, though not on a national level, shows good leadership and the ability to manage through problems and make decisions.
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Its not subtel Phil...She wants to turn us into a Socialized European state plain and simple. Her policy ideas and statements thus far are very clear that is the direction she wants to take us.
I need to do more research on her statements.
Granted, her healthcare plans ARE flat out socialist. However, healthcare is the only thing that I think does need a socialist twist to it.
The only other Socialist idea I heard of hers was when she said that we should take money away from the oil companies. But I don't know if that was just a spontaneous stupid statement of hers, or if she's said that repeatedly said and truly belives. I also don't know if she's said other things. Anyone?
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Phil I've spent much of my year up here in Canada as you know and I haven't meet one Canadian that likes National Health care, it doesn't work. A growing trend here in Canada is private Doctors opening up practices that do not accept the National Healthcare program but charge customers for visits because people just can't wait months to see a doctor. There are very good reasons why people from around the world come to the U.S for their healthcare procedures.
Billary is probably the most Left wing person I have experinced during my life time but than again my life time in the span of things has not been as long as others (hear that Tommy, your old!) I have never liked her or agreed with her though. Something even before I was more intrested in politics rubbed me the wrong way about her attitude towards things and her thinking that she could just move in and be the chamillion and we would never notice. Than the reall Billary comes out and by that point you are stuck with her for minimum 4 years. She is eurocentric in that she is totally socialistic in her nature.
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Just one more thing about "Hillarycare"...Ponder this, why do I want more money taken out of my check or pay higher taxes on goods to pay for health insurance on some dead beat low life who doesn't work? Also note that many young adults CHOOSE not to have healthcare for w/e reason, if someone chooses not to have healthcare then why force it on them? Although a National Healthcare program would greatly benefit my company because demand for healthcare supplies would jump and it would mean a ton more money in my pocket but if I have cancer I want to ensure I can get to a doctor to have it treated. National Healthcare is a death sentence for many here in Canada and Europe.
I can agree that there are problems with the Canadian system, but we need to figure out a way to take care of people that don't have insurance.
Deadbeat or not, I think that everyone should have a RIGHT to medical care. It should be in the Constitution. How to acheive that....well that's the tough part.
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I disagree it’s not a right by any means and has no place in the Constitution.
We live in a Capital society; high quality healthcare is available to everyone in this country through quality employers. Why is it my problem or yours that someone doesn't have healthcare? I just don't understand why I should pay for a total strangers healthcare costs? My healthcare costs are already high enough and I have great insurance. The only way of giving our nation healthcare is to raise taxes to unacceptably high rates which would have a dramatic effect on the economy.
Phil if I didn't know you I'd say you probably have a picture of Hillary up at home... LOL ;)
Eh. I think if the government stopped wasting money on "briges to nowhere" that there'd be much more money for healthcare.
I certainly respect your opinion, but I don't see how fellow citizens being unhealthy is not our problem. Other people being sick affects all of us in many ways.
I think about 150 years ago and compare it to people saying "Why is it my problem that someone else has slaves?" (not implying your are for slavery, just a comparison of the times)
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The problem is, it isn't just "deadbeats" who don't have can't get health insurance. If your employer doesn't subsidize your insurance, paying out-of-pocket for a family plan is VERY expensive. Very few small companies can afford to subsidize health care for their employees, and a growing number of large companies are trying to avoid subsidizing their employees' health care in order to cut costs (Wal-Mart makes the news for it fairly frequently). There are plenty of people who work full-time or more and don't have the option of getting medical insurance.
And the rest of us are going to end up paying for it one way or another. Not providing health care at all simply isn't an option, because we'd all die from the diseases they wouldn't be able to get treatment for. And already medical care costs are rising and quality of care is going down because people are getting treatment they can't pay for.
I don't particularly like the idea of an inept government running the health care system, but it may end up being the least evil option.
Also, back on the Hillary topic, plenty of senators announce their candidacy for president during every cycle. And they all have about the same level of experience that Clinton does. I don't believe we have ever elected a president whose last office was mayor, and we haven't elected a senator as president since Kennedy. So if we use the experience of past presidents as a barometer of required experience, the only major candidate who is qualified is Mitt Romney *shudder*.
(I'd be happy if someone with a shred of honesty would run for president. So, to paraphrase Tommy's avatar, I'm probably with Fred, even though I agree with very little of what he says. :) )
Phil a bridge to nowhere will pay for about a week of the Nation's healthcare costs. Even if the Gov't stops wasteful spending all together which won't happen taxes will sky rocket. I don't think too many of us can afford taxes to go up anymore then what we pay already.
Lincoln also felt that if he could keep the union preserved by simply keeping slavery legal he would have, but as we know slavery was only a small part of the South's reason to leave the union.
I'm not saying the Gov't should sit back and do nothing by all means companies like Walmart should be made to offer health insurance. Suffolk country recently passed a bill stating companies that do business in Suffolk must provide somekind of health coverage.
In theory, I really like this idea, because it forces private enterprise to come up with a solution. But in practice it ends up being a tax on businesses. And it's a heavily regressive tax, because the cost increases on a linear basis as the number of employees increases, but overall company revenues generally increase much more rapidly than that as the number of employees increases. So small businesses would see their costs, as a total percentage of revenue, increase much more than large businesses, and small companies are overtaxed as it is.
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