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    $8 To Get Into Manhattan

    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267653,00.html

    Infuriating.

    If I have to pay an additional $8 to enter a place I pay taxes on, I will lose my mind and go nuts in protest. What an outrage to consider putting this on New Yorkers.
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    Re: $8 To Get Into Manhattan

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil D.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267653,00.html

    Infuriating.

    If I have to pay an additional $8 to enter a place I pay taxes on, I will lose my mind and go nuts in protest. What an outrage to consider putting this on New Yorkers.
    Paying a fee on to people who drive into Manhattan is a good way to ease congestion. When I lived in New York, I can count on both hands how many times I drove into Manhattan.....

    Seeking to alleviate some of the metropolis’ congestion woes, Bloomberg is proposing the fee for motorists entering Manhattan below 86th Street.
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    Jeez, NYC just gets worse and worse. I guess Bloomberg thinks we are all Billionaires like him.
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    Re: $8 To Get Into Manhattan

    Quote Originally Posted by Midnight Mike
    Paying a fee on to people who drive into Manhattan is a good way to ease congestion. When I lived in New York, I can count on both hands how many times I drove into Manhattan.....
    I already pay a fee to drive into Manhattan - it's called a toll, you pay it on most of the bridges and tunnels that lead into Manhattan.

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    I think it's a good idea. Traffic is choking the city and it's only going to get worse. Cars sitting in traffic lowers the city's productivity which costs everybody money. Something has to be done.

    According to the study, only 5% of the cars entering Manhattan during rush hour are from the other boroughs...hence 95% of them are from Long Island, Westchester and New Jersey. Paying $160 a month to drive in is A LOT cheaper than a monthly pass on LIRR, Metro-North or New Jersey Transit. Yes I know the drivers are also paying for the car itself, fuel, insurance, registration, and parking. But in a congested city with very limited space, there should be a premium charged for autonomy and convenience.
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    Re: $8 To Get Into Manhattan

    Quote Originally Posted by moose135
    I already pay a fee to drive into Manhattan - it's called a toll, you pay it on most of the bridges and tunnels that lead into Manhattan.
    If you use one of the toll crossings the amount you pay for the toll will be credited to your owed congestion fee. For example, if you pay $4.50 at the Midtown Tunnel, your congestion fee is $8.00 - 4.50 = $3.50.
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    I like this idea personally. It is a good idea for this BUT this is probably going to raise the cost of public transportation as well if you are traveling from other regions onto the island which is what bothers me.
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    Re: $8 To Get Into Manhattan

    Quote Originally Posted by Phil D.
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267653,00.html

    Infuriating.

    If I have to pay an additional $8 to enter a place I pay taxes on, I will lose my mind and go nuts in protest. What an outrage to consider putting this on New Yorkers.
    Phil how does this even apply to you? You don't drive so I'm confused as to why you take such a reactionary response? Other cities do it and it might just get people to finally use Mass Transit more often. People took the same response when Rudy came out with the Metro card and now everyone loves it.

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    I would think that the busses would be totally exempt from this so public charges wouldn't go up. If you think about it, this is 4 bus/subway rides. Good way to make people use more mass transit.
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    Most of the traffic lies with the ever so frustratingly annoying cabs and trucks. That is what most of the traffic in the city is anyway. Hit them with the fee. On the other hand the cabbies will pass that fee down anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_Turner
    Supply and Demand.
    Exactly, it sounds like a great idea to raise money/lower congestion.

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    Well, there are really two very different classes of drivers in Manhattan. First, there are the local drivers; this includes people to live in Manhattan, trucks making pickups/deliveries, people driving into Manhattan for something (work, concert, whatever). The second class is people just driving through between NJ and Queens/Brooklyn. For a lot of people, the most direct route to their destination is to go through Manhattan, and is likely beyond the reach of NYC's public transportation and probably either not accessible by or inconvenient to access by regional public transportation.

    I, for example, live in Hoboken (NJ), and I make some trips out to distant Queens/Long Island. (I don't make these trips frequently, and they're almost exclusively on weekends.) Being right between the Holland and Lincoln tunnels, going through Manhattan is the most direct (and therefore, most efficient) way for me to get where I'm going. I could swing all the way down to Bayonne, over the Bayonne Bridge, through Staten Island, over the Verazzano and onto the mess called the Belt Parkway, but this is often way out of the way, just like a route taking the GWB would be.

    So, in my case (and probably a lot of other people's cases), this "green" policy means we're making longer trips to the same destinations and therefore using more fuel and creating more emissions. Plus, while it might have some impact on congestion in Manhattan, it would just shift a lot of it to other places which are already overburdened.

    To me, it makes sense to charge people whose destination is in Manhattan; those people generally have plenty of available options for public transportation into and around it. However, there are plenty of people for whom driving through Manhattan is simply the most direct way to get from a non-Manhattan origin to a non-Manhattan (especially non-NYC) destination.

    On a different note, and this wasn't mentioned in the linked article (though the NYT article about it does), it looks like the plan involves adding a LOT of cameras to track license plates. I can't say I'm too happy about the idea of having cameras watching every car (and let's face it, pedestrians too, whether by intention or accident).
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    Re: $8 To Get Into Manhattan

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    Quote Originally Posted by "Phil D.":8eb3c
    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,267653,00.html

    Infuriating.

    If I have to pay an additional $8 to enter a place I pay taxes on, I will lose my mind and go nuts in protest. What an outrage to consider putting this on New Yorkers.
    Phil how does this even apply to you? You don't drive so I'm confused as to why you take such a reactionary response? Other cities do it and it might just get people to finally use Mass Transit more often. People took the same response when Rudy came out with the Metro card and now everyone loves it.[/quote:8eb3c]

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    All of this talk about traffic makes me feel glad to live in a smaller city... only problem is that there are not European birds though.

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