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    GoL Jetliner down in Brazil

    SAO PAULO, Brazil (Reuters) - Brazilian airline Gol said on Friday it was trying to locate a passenger plane that disappeared from the radar and failed to arrive at its destination.

    The head of Brazil's airports authority, Infraero, said the Gol plane collided with another smaller plane in the Amazon region, the Globo news agency reported.

    The smaller plane, an executive jet, was able to land even though it suffered wing damage, Globo reported.

    Gol flight 1907 left Manaus in the afternoon but did not arrive in Brasilia as scheduled, a spokesman for the Manaus airport said.

    The company said the flight had 155 passengers on board but made no mention of crew members. Brazil's civil aviation authority said the plane was transporting 155 people.

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    Rest In peace to all those who might have perished
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    Very sad. RIP.

    Aircraft was brand new 738 delivered just 2 1/2 weeks ago!
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    All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control.
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    Looks like they found the plane. No survivors reported.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060930/ap_ ... ne_missing

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    In a very surprising twist it appears the Embraer Legacy and crew may have been based at ISP, at least the company who owns, operates the aircraft may be! RIP to those on the 738!

    Here is a photo of the brand-new 738 on delivery on Sept 12th, the 4th GOL specs built aircraft which includes the new short-field performance enhancements !

    http://www.airliners.net/open.file/1115070/L/

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    Legacy is apparently 600XL on delivery for ExcelAire on LI, crew is at an airbase in the jungle and as yet no word from them. Hope our fellow NYers weren't responsibile for this awful tragedy.

    ps Someone on a.net mentioned that it is being reported in Brazil that a well-known travel writer for a major NYC newspaper (who I will not name here) was getting a ride on the Legacy, which makes sense as I know his position affords him invitations to alot of exciting travel experiences, such as picking up a new bizjet at the factory. Sounds like this time he unfortunately got a bit more excitement than anticipated.

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    I know a pilot for Excelaire he lives and belongs to the country club in the Sayville area. The legacy was on it's delivery flight I t thought I heard. Terrible tragedy, it is going to take those people a long time to get to the wreckage is that terrain. Anybody who was lucky enough to survive the initial crash had no chance.
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    It sounds like the 738 went straight in nose first at about 300 mph, so I really don't think survival of the impact is possible ! Again RIP to the victim's !

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    rumor is that they have found survivors from the 773 which would lead me to beleive that maybe there was minimal control of the 737 before impact again this is the rumor I am hearing from several people. I hope this is true
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    Lots about this on a.net, much more than what is in mainstream US media thanks to members from Brazil where it is obviously a top story. Bottom line is no survivors from 737, Legacy is on the ground with apparently minor damage and crew from LI-based owners being investigated for potential negligence (unauthorized climb with transponder turned off). Just wanted to bring this thread up to date but there is alot of detail on a.net including translations of Brazilian Air Force press statements and photos of crash site as well as 600XL and its crew so check it out.

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    Just came across some photos via a.net (looks like they are from a Brazilian goverment website) of the Legacy showing damage to the left winglet & horizontal stab:

    http://www.dac.gov.br/salanoticias/foto ... y2_fab.jpg


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    Jet that survived Brazil collision had LI charter
    By Bill Bleyer
    Newsday Staff Writer

    October 3, 2006, 11:44 AM EDT

    The corporate jet that survived a mid-air collision with a larger commercial airliner Friday over the Amazon was owned by a Long Island charter company and flown by two local pilots.

    The corporate jet had just been purchased by ExcelAire, based at Long Island MacArthur Airport, and was being flown by Joe Lepore, 42, of Bay Shore and Jan Paladino, 34, of Westhampton Beach.

    The Brazilian-made Legacy executive jet with seven aboard collided with a Gol airlines Flight 1907, a Boeing 737-800, which plummeted into the jungle, killing all 155 on board.

    Brazil's air force said today the airliner's cockpit voice and data recorders had been recovered from the wreckage of the plane's tail.

    ExcelAire spokeswoman Lisa Hendrickson said the pilots were still in Brazil and had been instructed not to talk to the media by the National Transportation Safety Board, which is assisting Brazilian authorities in the investigation.

    But the firm did release a statement: "All of us at ExcelAire extend our condolences to the families and those affected by the crash of the Gol Boeing 737 jet in Manaus, Brazil. On Sept. 29, the Brazilian-made Legacy in the ExcelAire fleet was flying from Sao Paulo to Manaus, on its inaugural flight from Embraer, where it was manufactured. While in flight, the Legacy suffered a jolt to the aircraft, and noticed the left winglet was gone along with damage to the leading edge" of the wing.

    The company said it is supporting the investigation by Brazilian authorities, Embraer, Boeing, the NTSB and Federal Aviation Administration. The two federal agencies are involved because the Gol plane was manufactured in the United States and the smaller jet was registered here.

    The statement said "ExcelAire has a flawless safety record and has never had an accident in the history of the company," which was founded in 1985. The private jet charter and aircraft management company employs more than 90 people and has one of the largest fleets of Gulfstream jets in the metropolitan area.

    Investigators are trying to determine how two new aircraft equipped with the latest anti-collision technology collided in midair. The Associated Press said that Brazilian media reports suggested yesterday that a lapse in communication between air traffic controllers in different cities may have led both planes to fly at the same altitude.

    The Brazilian air force said both jets were equipped with a Traffic Collision Avoidance System, or TCAS, which monitors other planes and sets off an alarm if they get too close.

    John Hansman, an aeronautics professor at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, said air traffic in Brazil is complicated in vast regions that are not covered by radar, especially over the ocean and the Amazon jungle. Pilots often propose a route then along the way check in with controllers who verify the plane's location, altitude and bearing. "Apparently that process broke down somehow," Hansman told the AP. "When you get to the jungles of Brazil, you have people going in all directions."

    It was the first major disaster for Gol Linhas Aereas Intelligentes SA, Brazil's second-largest airline, founded in 2001.

    The Associated Press contributed to this story.

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    Brazil seizes passports of US pilots tied to crash

    When I worked for a Japanese airline, the pilots were warned that if they ever get into a crash, to jumpseat out of the Country on the first airplane you see....



    http://yahoo.reuters.com/news/articlehy ... ews&rpc=44

    Judge Tiago de Abril in Mato Grosso state, where the plane went down, told Reuters police had seized the passports of U.S. citizens Joe Lepore and Jan Paladino on his orders for the duration of the investigation.


    "That's a cautionary measure. If they returned to the United States it would require a lot of time and effort for us to collect their testimony," the judge said, adding that the investigation should not take long.

    The two pilots, who were flying a newly built executive jet that authorities believe clipped the Boeing 737-800 in midair, arrived on Tuesday in Rio de Janeiro for medical and psychological tests as part of the investigation.

    They face more questioning on Wednesday.

    "They are being interviewed by the authorities and are giving their total cooperation with the investigation," said Glauco Paiva, a U.S. consulate official in Rio.
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    Brazilian ATC May Have Contributed To Mid-Air

    Some many different theories, show why we need to wait for the investigation....


    Two different air controllers, one working a Brazilian Gol Airlines 737-800, the other handling an Embraer Legacy 600, evidently assigned both aircraft to the same altitude... possibly leading to what appears to be a fatal midair collision last week.

    There were conflicting reports in the Brazilian media that while the Gol aircraft was cruising at 37,000 feet, that the Embraer may have been cleared to climb from FL350 to FL390, crossing the path of the airliner.
    As ANN reported, the two aircraft collided Friday -- but the smaller twin-engine Embraer was able to make an emergency landing at the nearby Para military airfield. The larger 737 plummeted in a near vertical dive into the Amazon with the loss of 155 lives.

    The Brazilian news agency O Globo reported an anonymous Brazilian controller admitted that the two planes were being controlled from two separate towers in the state of Para in the Amazon. Evidently, the two controllers did not communicate and both assigned the aircraft to fly at the same height.

    The airspace is believed to have spotty radar coverage, according to experts quoted in the Associated Press.

    Both aircraft were equipped with the latest TCAS (Traffic Collision Avoidance System) equipment and it is reported that the pilot of the Embraer claimed that he heard no alarm from the TCAS before the collision.

    A business reporter for the New York Times, Joe Sharkey, was on assignment reporting on the Brazilian aircraft industry. He was aboard the Embraer and recounted in the Times, "Without warning, I felt a terrific jolt and heard a loud bang, followed by an eerie silence, save for the hum of engines."

    Sharkey continued, "I was lucky to be alive -- and only later would I learn that the 155 people aboard the Boeing 737 on a domestic flight that seems to have clipped us were not... investigators are still trying to sort out what happened, and how our smaller jet managed to stay aloft while a 737 that is longer, wider and more than three times as heavy, fell from the sky nose first."

    http://www.aero-news.net/index.cfm?Cont ... 3815dd3d1&
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