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[jakbar]

I think you have to becareful generalizing that people who only upload to Jp.net are afraid to challenge themselves

Which is exactly why I said what I said. I tried to make clear I was not generalizing.

in the same breath there are people who only upload to A.net because they feel JP.net stole A.net's code, is a copycat site, and overall has lower standards

I upload to both (for the reasons I mentioned about wanting lots of exposure), so this doesn't include me. However, I do believe that JP does have lower standards overall. MUCH lower standards. That much I think we all agree on.

For me, I enjoy the art of it all. For that "art" (if you define mine or anyone's aviation photography as "art"), I think that the more exposure you get from your art, the more it is allowed to become "art". Otherwise, it's just a painting that stays in your basement.

This is why I upload to Anet. I get great views and when I get something accepted, I know it's legit. If it gets rejected, it doesn't necessarily mean it's ****, but my acceptances are important to me in what I do. Remember, if it wasn't for Anet, I'd not have been interested in getting an expensive camera.

I could not have said it better myself. Stop stealing my thoughts. :)

ANYWAY....

No need to belabor this discussion. If we're going to debate something, let's debate something more interesting and less inflammatory.

Josh

[Mr Smith]

if you see half the **** i get knocked from a.net cos of the motive rule you'd have a fit, more recent was a rare photo of Miami terminal taken inside, which they have only 2 photos of, then i had the UA underpass at ORD rejected for motive and UA terminal at ORD busted for motive, yet, on the same page i had a cabin photo of a bunch of people sitting business class accepted...i wrote them and put it to them, i can take a cabin photo with the pax sitting down and get it added but i can't take a terminal photo with people walking through it and get it added?

some of the decisions are mind blowing, why? because they look your photo up n down with a fine tooth comb for a reason to reject it, if it's 1 pixel of center it's canned, a dust spot that only shows up when equalised or looked over for 10 mins it's gone, in other words, nonsense rejections that piss the people off that make the site!

at JP we are looking to add your shots, we aren't going to sit and look over your shot for 1 pixel or other rubbish, we take the artistic stuff that is bad motive at the other site, why? cos they won't and i rekon alot of people wouldn't have even seen the UA underpass unless i put it on JP recently!

a.net is good if you like having the rule book thrown at you every 10 days! I've screened so many photos it's not funny, you get a feel for who knows the game and who doesn't, whats worse is that i'm probably the hardest screener to get things by, but i'm always looking to add the photo first n foremost!

that said, we aren't going to add whatever you throw at us, nor should we!

[Mr Smith]

in the same breath there are people who only upload to A.net because they feel JP.net stole A.net's code, is a copycat site, and overall has lower standards

I upload to both (for the reasons I mentioned about wanting lots of exposure), so this doesn't include me. However, I do believe that JP does have lower standards overall. MUCH lower standards. That much I think we all agree on.

don't speak to soon mate, you haven't seen the rejection emails we get! we are leniant to a certain extent but we are now starting to crack down alot more then you could imagnie.

screeners atm are doing a revision to get an idea of where we are at with consistency and what we need to work on...

[mirrodie]

I've found pictures on JP.net that while not the highest degree of quality are certainly interesting and tell a very good story

I'd have to agree with that. For me, I longer care about the technicalities so much as I do the art behind it. Its compelling and what keeps me shooting. Shooting in Prague is an example, I went nuts and was so inspired. So it comes down to whats your inspiration.

That is why I am partical to jpnet, I love the content of hte photos accepted.

There are most certainly people who upload to other sites because of what they perceive as lower standards

Sure I suppose. But I think other reasons are moreso.

there are people who only upload to A.net because they feel JP.net stole A.net's code, is a copycat site, and overall has lower standards

Well, from what I know, apparently the code issue is real but I dont know if its able to be proven. But I know there is bad blood between both owners. ITs too bad b/c they both have good intent. But I disagree again with the lower standards.

some of the decisions are mind blowing, why?

I think that is the predominant reaon why I wont load regularly with anet. I mean, I spent Wedesday afternoon uploading to jp and I find hte screeners are so helpful and willing to work with you. Since I am new to this, I had many a rejection and would ask why and for help. ANd i got it. and I cant say that happens with anet. And hte feedback comes quick.

with anet, mulitple days to hear a response, I find that frustrating in general. Im a patient guy, but when I upload and dont hear for 10 days, I swear I forget about it all together.


further, and I was recetnly discussing this on anet, I just dont have the time (or motivation ) to double load ot both sites. I sepdn too much time online as is and need to get out more. :)


lastly, thanks to Monty. I really apprecaite hte effort in helping a helpless sod as myself!

[PhilDernerJr]

I'm not trying to sound diplomatic when I say this, the truth is that everyone in this thread is right, on both sides.

The thing is that we all shoot for different reasons, and we all have differ net goals and objectives when choosing where we upload. So when we have these debates or discussions, one person is talking about oranges while the next is talking about apples and the third is talking about hair gel.

I like exposure. I like getting print orders. I like a challenge in reaching a certain standard. I like being a part of something big, having my name alongside people whom I view as though they are sports heroes. I like creating what I feel is art and sharing it with as many as I can.

This is why I upload to both JetPhotos.net and Airliners.net.

Some of you have differ net goals in uploading, and may choose one over the other because of it. There is also the political aspect, which is a whole other discussion.

[Tom_Turner]

Well, guys apart from the whole issue of where to upload, there is the matter of where to view the images.

I am often surprised to hear folks say they don't even look at A.net or JP because of this or that.

Not so long ago, there was "one-stop shopping" and I miss those days.

Now I realize that in sports for example, many of us end up rooting for the "uniform". I do this to an extent as well. But I still like following some of the players. :) After all this is not about "branding" for most of us is it?

Most of the folks are on A.net, but if I want to see Senga Butt's shots or Brian Stevenson's, I have to look at JetPhotos. If I want to see Derek Pedley's shots or Colin Work's, I have to look at AirTeamImages. If I want to look at Glenn Alderton's shots I now have to go to Warbirdz.net, William Anthony's to Photoframe, etc.

And, I am still getting shots accepted on A.net that were rejected on JP and PP. Of course, when that happens, I am pleased to acknowledge the their expertise. :)

No matter where you upload to however, theres a bit more to learning photography than having it filtered through Bad Double, Bad Common, Bad Backlit, special stickers, Bad info etc. and there's more than one school of thought on grain, centering, exposure, sharpening etc.

Most of us, I absolutely acknowledge, were inspired through our hobby and A.net in particular and should give credit there, as Phil has done, and as I will do. But lets not start a pissing contest on just how accomplished we are there... Whether you are in the first grade or graduated its still cookie cutter photography school at the end of the day.

Just my two cents.

Tom