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Originally Posted by Jetinder
In the UK if anything like this happened the Police would come over pretty fast and start to investigate.
We're talking two different things here - the damaged nose was an apparent accident, not something the police would necessarily get involved with, beyond taking an accident report for insurance purposes (and we don't know that that didn't happen). Kids bouncing a ball against the plane (especially if it didn't cause damage) isn't really a crime that the police will spend time investigating.
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How powerful is this guy and how come Concorde was allowed to use JFK. if Anthony Weiner was so against her.
Concorde began passenger operation in 1976 - Weiner was 12 years old at the time, not really in a position to stop it. He is currently the US Congressman representing portions of southern Brooklyn and Queens. He was a member of the NYC Council before that, was unsuccessful in a bid to be the Democratic candidate for Mayor in 2005, and is expected to run for Mayor again in 2009.
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Originally Posted by Jetinder
In the UK if anything like this happened the Police would come over pretty fast and start to investigate.
We're talking two different things here - the damaged nose was an apparent accident, not something the police would necessarily get involved with, beyond taking an accident report for insurance purposes (and we don't know that that didn't happen).
Thats what happens the UK as well unless its a hit and run.......
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Kids bouncing a ball against the plane (especially if it didn't cause damage) isn't really a crime that the police will spend time investigating.
From the pictures Phil showed those balls have caused dents on G-BOAD, so the Police need to find those kids and give them a good telling off..... if that didnt work given them an Asbo (kids version of a criminal record).
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Originally Posted by Jetinder
How powerful is this guy and how come Concorde was allowed to use JFK. if Anthony Weiner was so against her.
Concorde began passenger operation in 1976 - Weiner was 12 years old at the time, not really in a position to stop it. He is currently the US Congressman representing portions of southern Brooklyn and Queens. He was a member of the NYC Council before that, was unsuccessful in a bid to be the Democratic candidate for Mayor in 2005, and is expected to run for Mayor again in 2009.
Ouch sounds like this is a "man of power"and has huge ambition ......... If it wasnt for aviation we'd still be living in the Victorian age (where ships where the fastest way to cross the oceans, but next to planes took forever).
Wonder what he uses for travel when goes to Europe or the rest of the world ........ bet he uses a plane....... yet he is so anti-aviation .......... man that sounds like a mixed up dude.
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Well the New york Times has spoken about Alpha Delta.
New York Times Story
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/07/nyreg ... ref=slogin
Gordon posted this on his forum so i thought you should see your local news paper.
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Lurch
Thanks for that link :)
Phil and forum members of New York well done :) :) :), the press in USA have noticed G-BOAD.
Pity the press in the UK didnt give a bleeeeeeeeep about it.
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>Well the New yourk Times has spoken about Alpha Delta.<
Nice. It looks like the group has SPOKEN and they LISTENED!!!! Very cool. And I like how everyone is "upset" and "apologetic". Hell, if we
didnt start ranting here and phone calls etc made by group members NOTHING would have been done. Let's see how long it takes.
So a truck moving equipment from a Jamaican festival at 3AM hit it? "Ya man, we didnt see dat ting. Too much smoke in the cab of the truck ya know
what I mean"? :lol:
BTW I apologize if the above statement OFFENDED anyone. :D
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Gerard and all.
I want to thank Mat for bringing these images to our attention.
All I did was let my colleagues overseas see Mat's images and that set the ball rolling.
Last week was an interesting week. Once I posted Mat's link, a barrage of anti-NY rants began, saying how we neglected Concorde. Yet when I brought up the logical argument, that they allowed outright graffiti on one of the AF birds, they went mum.
I have a ton of thoughts about it but it was an accident. Lets get her back to her original glory.
And can we see work on a way of persuading JFK to take her? There is tons of land where it can go and with airport security as it is, it would be protected.
thoughts?
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She's set to head back to Intrepid later this year according to the Times article, so I don't think she's moving anywhere else.
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Once I posted Mat's link, a barrage of anti-NY rants began, saying how we neglected Concorde.
Mario
Old mate as far as I know i never made any anti-NY rants, but i was very upset with Intrepids attitude.
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Yet when I brought up the logical argument, that they allowed outright graffiti on one of the AF birds, they went mum.
I agree and i think these days BA Concordes still have a much higher profile than AF ones, but what happened to an AF Concorde was almost as bad G-BOAD.
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I have a ton of thoughts about it but it was an accident. Lets get her back to her original glory.
Youre right...... whats done is done and the past can't be changed but G-BOAD now needs to be fixed and kept safe. I hope this will include putting her engines back or if that causes an issue for Intrepid at least make fake fiberglass front and back faces to stop corrosion of the inlets.
New York is bound to have talented artists who can easily do this.
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And can we see work on a way of persuading JFK to take her? There is tons of land where it can go and with airport security as it is, it would be protected.
thoughts?
How could we do that ?
Who owns JFK ?
Who's the chairman of JFK ?
I just heard in the UK that Intrepid are implying they don't have enough money for G-BOAD and they want us to help ........ can any one from NY shed any light on this ?
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Originally Posted by mirrodie
And can we see work on a way of persuading JFK to take her? There is tons of land where it can go and with airport security as it is, it would be protected.
thoughts?
Yes, please persuade Port to put her next to the NYCA spotting pavilion.
Tom
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Originally Posted by Jetinder
I just heard in the UK that Intrepid are implying they don't have enough money for G-BOAD and they want us to help ........ can any one from NY shed any light on this ?
If any help is needed from our end, let me know and I'll coordinate it.
-Phil
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
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Originally Posted by Jetinder
I just heard in the UK that Intrepid are implying they don't have enough money for G-BOAD and they want us to help ........ can any one from NY shed any light on this ?
If any help is needed from our end, let me know and I'll coordinate it.
-Phil
Nice one mate :), I appriecate your continued help and support :)
On Save Concorde Group i read the following by Project Oxcart also called BA195.
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The Aviator Sports company was sold to another group after Alpha Delta had been placed at there facility and the new people decided to renage on the deal that the old owners had set up with Intrepid.
So it is a bit of an iffy thing at the momment as the people whise names are on the Contract with intrepid are not those who now owne the Aviator Complex and as such have decided not to fulfill the Contract agreed with intrepid which is there right under US law.
The only Fly in the ointment is that no one told BA about this change in Aviators willingness to look after AD and then when AD was Damaged by a Truck leaving a Jamacain music festivel at the Aviator complex at 3AM in the morning (Jamacia home of Grass and Bongs) I wonder if the trucker was mashed at the wheel.
No one told BA about the nose being ripped off Now it has been reported in the NEW YORK times so it is public knowledge that AD has had her nose ripped off.
Looks like the lines of communication went down after the other company took over so not sure where the land lies and what else can be done to save G-BOAD.
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Mario
Old mate as far as I know i never made any anti-NY rants, but i was very upset with Intrepids attitude.
Jet, not you but just something I have noticed on various threads. Not you at all though.
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I agree and i think these days BA Concordes still have a much higher profile than AF ones, but what happened to an AF Concorde was almost as bad G-BOAD.
Disagree on "almost as bad". AD's nose cone was an unfortunate accident whereas F-WTSA was defiled by local graffiti artists. That is vandalism at its worst.
Tom and Matt, I know what the plans are but times change and so I wonder if prevailing heads have as well.
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I would like to let everyone know that an email has been sent, representing NYCAviation, to Aviator Sports, The Intrepid Museum, BA and other relevant parties, concerning our disapproval for the current state of the Concorde.
In addition, I have posted an editorial that all of you can read here: http://nycaviation.com/editorials#derner070708
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
I would like to let everyone know that an email has been sent, representing NYCAviation, to Aviator Sports, The Intrepid Museum, BA and other relevant parties, concerning our disapproval for the current state of the Concorde.
In addition, I have posted an editorial that all of you can read here:
http://nycaviation.com/editorials#derner070708
Brilliant job Phil, thank you for your continued support for G-BOAD :) :)
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I am in a state of shock that the nose of my beloved Concorde was broken-off. I read nothing about this in the newspapers or on TV reports. This is how important they regard this. They are busy reporting on the love life of Christie Brinkley and A-Rod. Disgraceful. A truck must have accidentally gone into the nose but where is the piece? Did Aviator at least retrieve it? Shame on them. The droop nose is 1 of the most distinctive parts of the Concorde. I visited in June and except for a cracked windshield, the aircraft looked OK. A security guard harrassed me because I was taking photos from through the fence. Where was he when the damage occurred? Aviator Sports should get a lawsuit. Why should Intrepid have to pay for repairs? Thanks Phil for sending those e-mails. I will also send my own. This is a disgrace; no wonder the British never wanted to give us a Concorde in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Speedbird1
Aviator Sports should get a lawsuit. Why should Intrepid have to pay for repairs?
The Intrepid isn't going to foot the bill for repairs. It is covered under Aviator's insurance policies. Question is can they secure a new radome?
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A security guard harrassed me because I was taking photos from through the fence. Where was he when the damage occurred?
Exactly taking photos of a plane from a public place is normal as Concorde isnt a USAF fighter......... In summer 2003 at Heathrow I had exactly the same problems as you but i also had Heathrow Police badly harrasing me for no valid reason and like you I was taking photos from a public place.......
Now when G-BOAD really needed the security guard who bugged you was no where to be found....... Makes you wonder about things.
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no wonder the British never wanted to give us a Concorde in the first place.
But in 2003 BA's "men of power" never ever listened to the public........
JFK was used by both BA and Air France, so Air France could have given JFK one of theirs.......but Dulles Airport in Washington I think got an Air France one.
I didnt mind G-BOAD being given to New York but personnaly i didnt want G-BOAD being given to Intrepid as on 21 Oct 2003 (when one of my friends showed me Intrepid) i had gut feeling it wasnt a good place and i was proved right....... but no one listened to me....
As some one suggested on here JFK have a place which Samsung uses, get Samsung off and put G-BOAD there...... she will never be damaged again.
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Question is can they secure a new radome?
You could do but not from the spare parts bin, it would have to be from a private collector as in 2004-2005 BA and Air France sold at auction every spare part they could their hands on.........stuff and manuals they could not sell they threw in the bin .......... Computers and software which was used for Concordes daily life where scrapped or erased, none of them where kept or given to a museum.....
That was an utter disgrace as they in effect sealed Concorde's fate so it would be almost impossible to get one back for airshows etc with out spending huge huge sums of money re-making the spare parts + infastructure etc.
Because G-BOAD will never fly it would be easier and cheaper to talk to Airbus (who made Concorde)
:-
Airbus Americas
198 Van Buren Street Suite 300
Herndon, VA 20170
U.S.A.
Phone: +1 703 834 3400
Fax: +1 703 834 3341
Get the measurements and then get a local car body shop to make the nose out of fiber glass and fit that to G-BOAD.
Or
ask Boeing to make one as they have G-BOAD's sister G-BOAG at the Seattle museum
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http://www.museumofflight.org/Display.asp?Page=Concorde
So they could take her nose off, measure it and send the dimensions back to Intrepid to have it made fixing her would not be hard......
Look what they can do to clapped out old rust heaps on Pimp my ride, fixing Concorde would easy for guys like that.
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Oh my goodness ! My morning is ruined. To see such a beautiful bird in bad shape. She belongs in the air once again, and if she will be treated this way, put her at JFK or the Cradle of Aviation !
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This has now become a pretty substantial international story, with The Associated Press putting out a piece on their wire this morning and republished by their hundreds of affiliates worldwide: http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hPgb ... wD91PIMCO1
NY1 also picked up the story: http://www.ny1.com/ny1/content/index.js ... &aid=83519
Gothamist did a post yesterday which links to this thread: http://gothamist.com/2008/07/07/concorde.php
Some good news:
Intrepid president Bill White has promised the nose will be fixed within a couple weeks, and issued an apology to British Airways, stating that Intrepid and/or Aviator should have provided better security.
I hope they do something about the pigeons, too, as I think that is just as disturbing as the broken nose.
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Well the News took it"s time getting out but Once the New York Times Started the Ball rolling every one else followed along real fast and now AD is an International star again.
Which is making life hard for any one who has been mistreating AD I am wondering how many people have been sending diasproving e-mails to the Intrepid and Aviator it would be interesting to find out but it"s probably not somthing they will whant to talk about. :D
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Well the News took it"s time getting out but Once the New York Times Started the Ball rolling every one else followed along real fast and now AD is an International star again.
The person who started the ball rolling was G-BOAD for putting photos on here and telling the world what was going on and Phil-D as he contacted the press, The New York times finally printed it, the others are now following the lead.
In the UK today I've contacted most of the national newspapers about it but so far i aint had any replys from them.......... so who knows if they will take notice ?...........
The fact that more press in the USA is taking it up shows people in the states do care about G-BOAD and i hope G-BOAD will be better cared for.
As for Intrepid........ so far i aint written to them...... dunno if i will........ but I'm glad they've said sorry to BA and glad they will step up security.
If Alan Sugar had been in charge of BA i feel he would have said to Intrepid you're fired, give me back my Concorde and lets put her at JFk........
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Yes, a big hats off to member "G-BOAD" for literally getting it all started. His photos were referenced in the NY Times article and it just continued from there. Excellent work. :)
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They should beware the revenge of G-HOST.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...HTINFLIGHT.jpg
The GHOST of Concorde based at Exeter England. :shock:
Alpha Delta could use a wash as the black lines on her side are Rain Streaks that all Concorde"s get after a few weeks out in the open.
The Chipping is probably where the hatch has been used and the paint has got damaged and not been repaired.
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I agree this is disgraceful. You can register your complaints at [email protected] and at [email protected]. Evidently, a truck driver moving equipment from a Jamaican event at 3 AM struck the aircraft. What happened to the nose cone? Is the driver responsible for the cost of repairs? Is the aircraft insured? The Intrepid has financial difficulties caused by the new pier built for the Concorde and the refurbishing of the carrier. At least the Concorde will no longer sit on a rusty old barge. Imagine what Londoners must think of us Brooklynites. If we sent over Air Force One for them to display in London, for example, and they cracked the windshield and broke pieces off, etc. What would we think?
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Speedbird, most of your questions have been answered throughout this thread already.
Aviator Sports is already well-aware of our displeasure as well.
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I took a ride over there yesterday. It really is a shame the condition the concorde is in.
And who's bright idea was it to put a swimming pool right next to it?
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There is a story in the UK's Telegraph about G-BOAD, with a quote from "US air expert Phil Derner Jr"!
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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...cle1398378.ece
I was talking to a reporter to make sure they got the facts straight and gave Phil her number......
I made sure she understood that the widow was not cracked by impact and this is what we get! :borat:
I wish just one time they would listen and get the story straight. UGH
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There is a story in the UK's
Telegraph about G-BOAD, with a quote from
"US air expert Phil Derner Jr"!
Hmm, name sounds familiar.
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well at least there is now media coverage back in AD's homeland. this may be enough to get BA especially to force those in charge to restore alpha-delta to her former glory. i just hope that the bad info that was published by the media doesn't come back to haunt either Mr. Derner or our group.
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i just hope that the bad info that was published by the media doesn't come back to haunt either Mr. Derner or our group.
Why would it?
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Yesterday I contacted the Telegraph about her, they never replied to me but today they did a story on her so they must have taken some notice of my e-mail.
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I heard this from a friend in the UK
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It's a nose job for Concorde
Engineers will travel to New York to assess damage to a Concorde that is on loan to the USS Intrepid Museum. Concorde "Alpha Delta's" nose cone, which was damaged after being hit by a lorry, will be repaired in the next few weeks.
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Ok, here's an update for all of you.
I finally spoke with Bill White, the Intrepid President, today. He is very grateful for our organization (namely, G-BOAD) to bringing this to the Intrepid's attention, as they don't know how much time would have passed before they learned about the nose damage and the general treatment of the aircraft.
He said that they have worked with BA to create standards for how the plane will be treated until its return, and Aviator is complying with that.
The perimeter around the aircraft will become secure and will be guarded 24/7.
As for us, he said there does not seem to be too much that we can do at this time. However, though he feels it's unfortunate that it took this Concorde issue for us to be introduced, that he promises that he will get us involved with various programs and events at the museum.
A big thanks to all of you who helped out with this. We, as a group, really did make a difference here, and I hope you are all proud.
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
Ok, here's an update for all of you.
I finally spoke with Bill White, the Intrepid President, today. He is very grateful for our organization (namely, G-BOAD) to bringing this to the Intrepid's attention, as they don't know how much time would have passed before they learned about the nose damage and the general treatment of the aircraft.
I'm sorry but its hard to understand how Intrepid could not easily find out G-BOAD's state.
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He said that they have worked with BA to create standards for how the plane will be treated until its return, and Aviator is complying with that.
The perimeter around the aircraft will become secure and will be guarded 24/7.
They should have done this from day 1 (10 Nov 2003) and not now when the damage is very very bad.
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As for us, he said there does not seem to be too much that we can do at this time.
With the greatest of respect if it wasn't for us my Concorde G-BOAD would have still been rotting in hell and would have got worse........ we (and the person G-BOAD) alerted the world to what happened and (in our own way) we all helped in saving her..... so we have done some thing.
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However, though he feels it's unfortunate that it took this Concorde issue for us to be introduced, that he promises that he will get us involved with various programs and events at the museum.
I'd like to be involved but due to distance (3,500 miles) i can't physically take part.
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A big thanks to all of you who helped out with this. We, as a group, really did make a difference here, and I hope you are all proud.
I'm proud to be part of this group :) and proud that as part of this group i helped to save G-BOAD in her hour of need (as from my end i told the UK press, the BBC, BA and US Ambassadore about it.) ........ better than last week when there was no coverage.
But we still need to keep an eye on G-BOAD and make sure she is well looked after.....
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I sure the others do too, but I've stopped by AD on a few occasions, and I can say with some certainty that nobody expected to see the show of disregard displayed here.
Great catch Mat! You got the ball rolling and made a real difference!
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Hello everyone!,
I learned about AD's damage on A.net little while ago, i informed our Museum's curator and board members about the damage that AD suffered while being totally neglected being in NYC!, I also asked them to look into with BA with possibility to have her brought here to Toronto as Concorde has flown in and out of Toronto since it first flight in 1979 till last flight on i believe 2nd October 2003 almost twice or thrice a year. I was at top of T1 when she flew into YYZ on 1st and then fly out on 2nd October 2003 for it's last flight to Canada. I didn't believed when i saw thousands of people who came to see her were all around the airport's perimeter. Some of them didn't believed that she was flying for 30 years as they thought it was only couple years old airplane!. I would like to join your organization in order to help restore AD back to it's glory or to bring her to Toronto YYZ. It will be honor for us Canadians to preserve her in her glory that she deserves and not how New Yorkers have treated her...
New Yorker's least you guys could give her a wash!!...
Regards
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Thank you for joining. However, I find your introductory post to be incredibly rude.
"New Yorkers", as in all of us, did not do this. This isn't a "New Yorker" blaming point. The fault lies not on "New Yorkers", but on management of Aviator Sports, who neglected the aircraft.
If you read a few posts above, or the other news articles that have been out lately, you'd see that the problem is being rectified, and the aircraft is being rstored within the next couple weeks and will be much better protected. Hence, there is no need, and no chance, of it leaving NY anytime soon, to anyplace such as Canada.
Not pointing out you, "Concorde YYZ", but I'm getting tired of all of the media and our international "friends", who seem to continue to say that "Americans" or "New Yorkers" "destroyed" the Concorde. It is racist towards Americans, and extremely unfair, as there are just as many Americans here, as seen on this site, who care immensely about the Concorde and are ready to dedicate as much time necessary to see to it that the prior incidents do not happen again. We New Yorkers and Americans are the very reason it got so much media attention, or was even brought up to begin with. It is incredibly disrespectful and irresponsible for the media of all people to cast blame again "America". the Telegraph is guilty of this with their headline "US leaves Concorde gift from UK to rot in airfield." The fools that I've seen over at Anet, should be ashamed at their comments, and I would love to see these reporters and other people who sit behind their computers say it in front of us on this side of the pond.
If you're going to post like that, do it elsewhere, as your time spent here will be short-lived. You should be THANKING New Yorkers for holding Aviator Sports accountable and pushing hard to solve the problem on the local level, bucko.