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What is happening to G-BOAD (disturbing photos)- UPDATED
The nose cone broke off from G-BOAD. I sure hope BA has an extra one. (I think i saw one for sale a while ago) Other then that, the plane has paint peeling and birds craping in its engines. I hope New York doesn't become infamous for the worst maintained Concorde
http://i97.photobucket.com/albums/l2...oncorde001.jpg
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Personally, I would much rather prefer the Concorde to stay at an airfield, rather then a barge in New York, but seeing how its poorly treated here, makes me want to change my mind.
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Its hard to see such a historic aircraft being mistreated as that. I agree with Matt that they should place the Concorde at an airfield (JFK).
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Wow, and that's how they treat a piece of JFK's history? I say we have a NYCA uprising and restore it!
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The nose looks like it snapped off! Anyone know how that happened?
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Is this going to be stationed there permanently? At least if it was with the intrepid, it would be somewhat well maintained
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Originally Posted by Lezam
Is this going to be stationed there permanently? At least if it was with the intrepid, it would be somewhat well maintained
No, it's supposed to go back to the Intrepid after her restoration work is done.
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The nose is hanging over a road! A truck probably hit it. :(
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Originally Posted by moose135
No, it's supposed to go back to the Intrepid after her restoration work is done.
i heard they ran out of money...
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Wow... Very sad to see G-BOAD in this sort of condition...
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As a NYer, Im disgraced.
Our overseas friends have always chided BA for giving NY a Concorde. And this was the reason why. Its stuff like this that gives NY a bad name.
NY deserved a Concorde more than any other city, as it is the one city in the world that received the most Concorde flights. Without NY, Concorde would have never gotten out of the gate. The proper place for it would have been at JFK. And yes, there is space for it to have been properly placed.
Phil, I agree with Stuart. Why don't we try to approach them in terms of restoration?
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I agree about having the concorde be at JFK. There is plenty of space to put it.. Im not too happy to see this concorde in this kind of condition. I just wish badly that they would just place it at JFK...
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What a disgrace. What a complete, total disgrace.
What a finger to everyone who designed, operated and lovingly maintained the only ever supersonic passenger airplane.
NY deserved one, but do they deserve to keep her?
Every other example is on display, pristine, looking airworthy and real. New York lets the birds crap on theirs and lets it rot away. FOR SHAME.
BA still owns every Concorde, I believe.
It would be a suitable punishment if they took it away, and who could blame them?
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Is it true that BA is the actual owner? Who is the contracted safekeeper while it's here...The Intrepid organization?
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
Is it true that BA is the actual owner? Who is the contracted safekeeper while it's here...The Intrepid organization?
Yes that is correct Phil. It’s on loan to us and the property managers of the Intrepid are responsible for its well being. There was a story a month ago that there may not be enough money to fully complete the refit on the Intrepid so I'm sure this must be affecting the Concorde as well.
Truly ashame....NYC should hang its head in shame... :(
Perhaps we as a group might consider throwing some ideas around to help her out?
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I'm going to give the Intrepid a call.
In the meantime, anyone interested in being a part of a group to help out on this, just post here, or Email/PM me.
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I'd definitely be interested in helping/being part of an organized group.
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Originally Posted by mirrodie
As a NYer, Im disgraced.
... Without NY, Concorde would have never gotten out of the gate. The proper place for it would have been at JFK.
Ha. The other side of this coin is that if BA and the UK govt were not as persistent to overcome the bile and anti-Concorde movement in the early 70s, there wouldn't have been a Concorde either.
An ex-NYer
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Originally Posted by mirrodie
As a NYer, Im disgraced.
... Without NY, Concorde would have never gotten out of the gate. The proper place for it would have been at JFK.
Ha. The other side of this coin is that if BA and the UK govt were not as persistent to overcome the bile and anti-Concorde movement in the early 70s, there wouldn't have been a Concorde either.
An ex-NYer
Welcome as its your first post. Ha? An interesting side of the coin. Take away the anti-Concorde movement you speak of and yet, where would it have flown had it not been NY?
Not sure how relevant your post is but welcome nonetheless.
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Why so surprised?
Even the Concorde (in America) is just an "old tired dirty jetliner" to the public majority.
She would have been better off with props, because it could have been tagged as an antique.
I've already been down this road with one of Howard Hughes Convair CV-880's at TEB/ New Jersey Hall of Fame Museum, ship #3. Remember- this was the fastest jetliner of its day.
Chances are excellent G-BOAD will be scrapped or reclaimed by BA.
I saw the scrapping of the only complete intact CV-880, ship #13.
Both multi million Boeing SSTs full size mock ups were pissed away (2707-100 all gone, 2707-300 only the nose was saved at the Hiler Museum after is sat in a field for years rotting.
Even the first 747 looks like crap.
Face it- commercial aviation appreciation is almost non-existent in the USA.
(Would be nice if the PAPD released some of its slush fund )
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Well the folks trolling the a.net forums are pissed
Phil, count me in (schedule permitting) on any efforts.
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I have started to do some research, and once I've gathered some stuff together, I'll post about what we might be able to do. It could be letters to the people running it, letters to local media organizations, maybe even pointing some things out to BA or whomever that might be interested in seeing what's going on.
If any of you have ideas or other info that might be helpful, email me.
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I've emailed ABC news as well as Fox5 News.
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I was considering writing to BA asking to see if they have a replacement cone; and permission for us to do some restoration work. I would be happy to help with any such work.
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Originally Posted by G-BOAD
I was considering writing to BA asking to see if they have a replacement cone; and permission for us to do some restoration work. I would be happy to help with any such work.
From what I understand, BA has replacement noses amongst other parts and some Concorde engineers who work out of KJFK. It's now just whether they want to repair her, reclaim her, or scrap her.
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Mmmm, maybe we can get the media involved like "7 on Your Side" or something like that. Embarass the heck out of the people who let this happen.
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I heard about this earlier on today and I'm extremely upset at the way G-BOAD has been treated.
On 21 Oct 2003 I flew G-BOAD from Heathrow to JFK and had the greatest time of my life, i saw the sunrise 20 mins after it had set at Heathrow and believe me it was brilliant :D :D :D :D :D
G-BOAD was immaculate and in "brand new" condition, she flew at mach 2 effortlessly, she loved it.
On 30 Oct 2003 i had hanger visit at Heathrow and took the following photos
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http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.sira/...20G-BOAD-2.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.sira/...-BOAD-nose.jpg
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/j.sira/...D-4-bright.jpg
On 10 Nov 2003 i was at Heathrow to see her ferry flight to New York, the plane was perfect and i wrote a report about it see
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http://www.leconcorde.eu/com_forum/viewtopic.php?t=46
but today when i heard she had a broken nose this broke my heart and I'm glad you guys are keeping an eye on her :)
I e-mailed the CEO of BA and I'm waiting for reply.
I will read more of this thread to find out but has the airfield she's on got CCTV ?
When did it happen ?
What caused it ?
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Ha. The other side of this coin is that if BA and the UK govt were not as persistent to overcome the bile and anti-Concorde movement in the early 70s, there wouldn't have been a Concorde either.
An ex-NYer
I have to strongly disagree.
As far as i remember the anti Concorde movement mainly started in states by people who didnt understand Concorde or where scared of her for some reason.
When tests where done at JFK it was proven that most subsonics of the time where louder than Concorde at take off so she was allowed to use JFK and in time people fell in love with her. Had she not been allowed she would have been used for some thing as we and france had around 7 new Concordes each ready made and able to fly at mach 2 so a use would have been found.
At the time BA and AF where both state owned so it was natural for Concorde to be given to them.
Concorde was a joint venture between France and UK, as tax payers my parents and grand parents + others living both countries fund Concordes development as far as i remember every one in the UK was extremely proud of her, she was a world beating icon and was also used on to celebrate special occassions inc the Queen's golden jubilee.
G-BOAD was used on that day.
We made 14 Concordes at i think the design costs of the scrapped American SST (which never flew).
Concorde was mainly designed to fly from Europe to New York, but it was later proved that Concorde could fly to any part of the world much faster than subsonics.
In the winter months BA use to fly Concorde regularly to Barbados, in the 1980s BA started to make a profit on Concorde so believe me there was a market for her.
The following DVD
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Concorde-27-Yea ... B0000C668W
has video of one these round the world flights.
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Originally Posted by Phil D.
I'm going to give the Intrepid a call.
In the meantime, anyone interested in being a part of a group to help out on this, just post here, or Email/PM me.
I would love to help but I live in the UK so you’re to far from me.
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Even the Concorde (in America) is just an "old tired dirty jetliner" to the public majority.
That’s like saying the world thinks the moon was lifeless rock in space, an utter waste of $25 billion and going back there would be “old fashioned”…….but Nasa is going back to the moon, China has plans etc.
G-BOAD is still a world record holder, she is the fastest Concorde in BAs fleet, she is the fastest airline in North America so she is extremely special. Only an AF Concorde was faster than G-BOAD, but the point is Concorde is the fastest airliner in the world, nothing could match her.
Only plane which could beat Concorde long range was the SR71, no other plane not even the USAF B1B could beat Concorde long distance.
The public need to be educated about Concorde and what she is…….. they don’t understand what Concorde could really do.
The technology was decades a head of her time, to fly at mach 2 she used supercruise.
That technology has only recently been used in the latest USAF and RAF fighters........ Concorde had and used that technology up to 4 times a day, every day for 27 years.
She could fly to any part of the world faster than any one else........ think about it.....
She could fly Heathrow to JFK in 3 ½ hrs at twice the speed of sound……. it takes a subsonic plane like 747 and even the “new” Airbus A380 double the time (7-8 hrs) to make the same journey.
Given the choice what would people do ……. spend 3 ½ hrs flying to New York or 7-8 hrs making the same journey ?
People would choose the fastest method.
Even flying subsonic over land she still flew 100 mph faster than other subsonic planes, so she was fast, Strangely she drank more fuel at subsonic speed than at mach 2.
She could have been used to send people to disaster zones across the world and help save lives (as in a disaster the faster you get rescue staff to an area the better chance you have to save more people), but no one thought laterally, no one really used Concorde’s speed and time saving ability.
People say “she was dirty” but before her production was scrapped there where plans to make Concorde B, if development had carried on we could have seen a greener 300 seat version of Concorde by now in regular use with less sonic boom etc
It was all there for the taking……… but no one developed her.
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She would have been better off with props, because it could have been tagged as an antique.
Not sure what that means……. If you mean having life size model of her rather than the real plane then I agree.
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Chances are excellent G-BOAD will be scrapped.
No way …….. over my dead body…. in the UK would not allow that to happen, we’d rather have her taken apart, put on ship and sent home than be scrapped.
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or reclaimed by BA
Not sure …….. some people say Willy Walsh - CEO of BA isn’t interested in Concorde but BA still own her, she is there flagship so he will have to do some thing to keep her safe as the public won’t stand her being scrapped.
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I am in too. I doubt they would let us do the renovating, but there has to be some way we can raise money to complete it. Maybe use the aviator sports complex to host some sort of charity event?
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The public need to be educated about Concorde and what she is…….. they don’t understand what Concorde could really do.
Welcome to the fold Jetinder. Here's the thing...the general attitude of people in New York can easily be summed up in five little words..."I don't give a f***." You could educate all you want and most would look at you like those psycho African-American "street preachers" going on and on about how white people are born from Satan. There's not one person on this board who wants to see AD go, and we'd all die a bit inside if she was cut up, but IMO if NY can't/won't take care of her like she needs...we gotta love her enough to let her go. BTW, very impressive with the facts.
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I was actually watching this DVD last weekend, and highly recommend it to anyone. After seeing how AD was used in such historic flights it truly hurt me when the next day I saw the aircraft so damaged.
I emailed BA today, (showing them the pictures) and hope they offer some solution.
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The public need to be educated about Concorde and what she is…….. they don’t understand what Concorde could really do.
Welcome to the fold Jetinder. Here's the thing...the general attitude of people in New York can easily be summed up in five little words..."I don't give a f***." You could educate all you want and most would look at you like those psycho African-American "street preachers" going on and on about how white people are born from Satan. There's not one person on this board who wants to see AD go, and we'd all die a bit inside if she was cut up, but IMO if NY can't/won't take care of her like she needs...we gotta love her enough to let her go. BTW, very impressive with the facts.
Thank for welcoming me :)
LOL....... New York people have character LOL thats why they use the F word a lot, saying that Gordon Ramsey (famouse British Chef) uses the F word a lot as well LOL.
I like New York and its people.
I agree with you, you can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.
A bit off topic but those African-American "street preachers" who go on and on about how white people are born from Satan........ are very very stupid and sick people, they have got their facts utterly wrong as every race / religion etc have good and bad people in it, all the white people i met are good people and 99% of my friends are white.
Anyway back to the topic.
I'm glad you all feel the same as me about G-BOAD and I'm glad you guys are doing some thing to high light her plight and try to save her.
On 21 Oct 2003 when i came to NY one of my old Concorde friends drove me to Intrepid........ when i saw it i was horrified and could feel G-BOAD was not going to be looked after........ 4 1/2 years later she's in a very bad way and my fears where correct.
I agree JFK is the best place to show her and if she had been left there she would have had all her engines etc left intact, she can still be moved to JFK now.
I agree if NY can't look after her, then she needs to be moved to a place where she can get TLC...... (how about Kennedy Space Centre next to a Saturn V). Her sister Concordes are well looked after, one is in Seattle at the Boeing museum, one is in Barbados, other 4 are in the UK.
MirrorD was right NY needed a Concorde but before any one considers moving her from NY, people need to contact BA in the USA and UK to high light our worries and see what happens, more people do that more i hope BA will listen and act.
I'm glad you liked the facts...... i've been a Concorde chaser since 1976 (when i was 6-7 years old) and over such a long time you start to appreciate the bird.
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They should put her along the Van Wyck at the JFK entrance where the Samsung phone is like they used to have at Heathrow...
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Would she fit there ?
The one at heathrow wasnt real i think it was 1/2 size model of Concorde.
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Would she fit there ?
The one at heathrow wasnt real i think it was 1/2 size model of Concorde.
Yes it would fit there...but Samsung has a contract with Port for another 2 years at a million bucks a year so that ugly hand is staying for now. The Airport manager at JFK would love her there but there are issues beyond her control preventing the Concorde from returning to her rightful place at JFK.
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No Kenny, some of those people have lost their minds! While unfortunate, it was an accident. I doubt someone deliberately intended to damage her.
Unlike what happened in France:
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Would she fit there ?
The one at heathrow wasnt real i think it was 1/2 size model of Concorde.
Yes it would fit there...but Samsung has a contract with Port for another 2 years at a million bucks a year so that ugly hand is staying for now. The Airport manager at JFK would love her there but there are issues beyond her control preventing the Concorde from returning to her rightful place at JFK.
Concorde is roughly the length of and width (wing tip to wing tip) of a 747, if there is enough space for her there then that would be good for JFK.
Paris - CDG have a Concorde on display at the airport.
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No Kenny, some of those people have lost their minds! While unfortunate, it was an accident. I doubt someone deliberately intended to damage her.
Unlike what happened in France:
Agreed G-BOAD probably did have an accident but was the truck driver (who smashed in to her) blind or drunk....... as even at night you couldnt miss Concorde as she's white and will show up in any head lights.
Ultimately it was Intrepids responsibility to make sure G-BOAD was safe, Intrepid failed that task (as they didnt park G-BOAD in a safe position) and i feel some people in management need to be sacked for this .......... but i bet a mars bar no one at Intrepid will be sacked and i bet they will get G-BOAD back.
Until 2003 G-BOAD was still in full working order, if she'd not been grounded she still would have been safely flying now at mach 2 and unlike other planes (747 etc) there was no upgraded or newer version so in that sense Concorde was timeless and unique....... she was never an "old" or dated plane........
People can say she was " 30 years old ", but in actual flying time she only flew half that (as she got to any place in half the time of a subsonic = less time spent in the air), so was still a young plane and had years of life left in her.
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Welcome, Jetinder, and all of ours friends from across that pond that I know have been reading this thread here. We will try to do what we can here to make sure that this aircraft is better taken care of.
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I just took a drive down there to take a look at it for myself, and I was honestly disgusted.
It's one thing for the aircraft to have sustained the damage that it has, but it's clear the Aviator Sports could not care less about this plane.
The area around the aircraft is fenced off, and there is a small pool behind the left wing. There are children running around the ground around the plane, BOUNCING BALLS OFF OF THE PLANE. Those rubber dodge balls, hard-rubber footballs, right off of the engines, the wings and the fuselage.
I've gathered a bit of info about the aircraft, and I will prepare a letter to send to several parties involved with this aircraft from us as an organization. I'll keep you all posted.