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Thunderbirds at Coney island.
Hello -just by way of introducing myself- my name is Ken and I live on Long Island. I have a question...I recently read that the Thunderbirds will be performing at Coney Island this year in late August. I was curious- for those shows what airport do they fly out of? Thanks
Ken :borat:
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Originally Posted by gettysburgerrn
Hello -just by way of introducing myself- my name is Ken and I live on Long Island. I have a question...I recently read that the Thunderbirds will be performing at Coney Island this year in late August. I was curious- for those shows what airport do they fly out of? Thanks
Ken :borat:
Hey Ken, welcome to NYCA!
You're asking a good question, one that's been debated on here & ASB.TV for the past 2 months since they announced the Coney Island Show.
In the past, they've flown out of Republic in Farmingdale but they're in Atlantic City on Wed of that week for the AC Airshow. Some speculate that they're going to fly up from there, others (like me) think they're going to go out of Republic again.
Keep an eye on the NYCA Board and as soon as it's announced, it'll be posted here.
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Republic would be sweet :borat: - every year my daughter and I go see the Blue angels or Thunderbirds (depending upon the year) there every year - She loves to go by the 56th fighter group restaurant to see the planes close up (she is 5 - I am warping her early).. thanks
.ken
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Good for you KEN!
I hung with my son at the airport when he was 11 months old one year. He loved watching the planes take off & land and the louder, the better! A very cool thing about the Jones Beach show is that it's simulcast on the radio so you can hang in your car near the tower, listening to the narration and see the acts come and go.
I hope they do the same type of thing for Coney Island. That would be very cool!
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Originally Posted by Big Tim #70
In the past, they've flown out of Republic in Farmingdale but they're in Atlantic City on Wed of that week for the AC Airshow.
Do they even have the gas to launch out of AC and come all the way up to NYC do a full airshow and then recover back at AC?
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[quote=USAF Pilot 07]
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Originally Posted by "Big Tim #70":kqkqmn30
In the past, they've flown out of Republic in Farmingdale but they're in Atlantic City on Wed of that week for the AC Airshow.
Do they even have the gas to launch out of AC and come all the way up to NYC do a full airshow and then recover back at AC?[/quote:kqkqmn30]
I wouldn't think so, unless they only perform for 3 minutes. :)
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[quote=USAF Pilot 07]
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Originally Posted by "Big Tim #70":2sy4t693
In the past, they've flown out of Republic in Farmingdale but they're in Atlantic City on Wed of that week for the AC Airshow.
Do they even have the gas to launch out of AC and come all the way up to NYC do a full airshow and then recover back at AC?[/quote:2sy4t693]
Not a chance in hell. The model Viper that the birds use might as well be an early model Hornet fuel wise. My bet is we see a JFK appearnce honestly. It makes the most sense and they have the real estate to house them. However, with 31L/13R getting ko'd JFK is already going to be at critical mass even with alot of traditionally JFK b6 ops transitioning up to BOS to cover the loss in capcity at JFK.
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They asked to base out of EWR but were denied. I'll see what I can find out this week
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Any chance they could use FBF?
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The Thunderbirds need 7,000 feet within 25 nm of a show site if the show site's runway is less than 7,000 feet or is a staged show. A runway of 10,000 feet or more is required within 50 nm of the show site...
Don't quote me on the numbers, since I think I'm a bit off on both...
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Any chance they could use FBF?
While that would be way cool, no, no chance. For starters, the longest runway is only about 5,000 feet long, which is a non-starter. Add to that the lack of fire/rescue equipment, fuel availability, other support services...well, you get the idea.
I suspect they will park at either JFK or FRG. FRG is a familiar place for them, and they did use JFK on Memorial Day weekend several years ago. Talking with one of their maintainers at FRG last year, he said with the new Block 52 birds they have, if they use the 2-seater for an off-airport show (like Jones Beach) they need to fly the performance with an external fuel tank - the back seat means a smaller internal fuel tank, and they can get tight on fuel without the external tank when they have to travel to/from the show site.
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Where did they park them at JFK back then?
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Originally Posted by Steven Holzinger
The Thunderbirds need 7,000 feet within 25 nm of a show site if the show site's runway is less than 7,000 feet or is a staged show. A runway of 10,000 feet or more is required within 50 nm of the show site...
Don't quote me on the numbers, since I think I'm a bit off on both...
you're pretty close on the runway requirements, i'm not sure about the distances to the show center bit those sounds reasonable. i know the thunderchickens can't use the runway at SNS because it's only 6,700 feet long.
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As we used to say, RTFM...
2010 Thunderbirds Support Manual
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a. Runways 10,000’ or longer do not require an arresting cable on site.
b. If your runway is between 7,000’-9,999’ in length, we require a barrier on site, unless there is either 1) a 10,000’ or longer runway within 80 NM of the airfield, or 2) a runway with arresting gear within 80 NM of the airfield.
c. If your runway is less than 7,000', we always require arresting gear on site, and the Thunderbirds will obtain a waiver from the Air Combat Command Commander to land at the site.
FRG Rwy 14/32 is 6,827' so they always install an arresting cable on it for airshow weekend.
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Why do they need so much runway?
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Why do they need so much runway?
Because they are not the NAVY! :borat:
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Why do they need so much runway?
seroiusly....what happends if it overruns....can you imagine that eye candy on ANET? The are
the best of the best (next to the Blue Angels of course) and can not afford an incident....they
put down the arresting wire, not because the need it but becuase they need to make sure
there is not an overrun. The worst thing in recient times was
http://www.michaelworth.com/photos/T_Bird_6_eject.jpg
Not the image they want you to see.... Pilot error makes that issue even worse.
Strict requirements for saftey of aircrew and aircraft is essential with any press flights as well.
You will not see them laying down arresting gear for any F-18 at Farmingdale...but when the
Blues are in town we get to see a treat!
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/..._ZetY9-L-1.jpg
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Why do they need so much runway?
Landing roll on the Viper is pretty long. It has pretty high ref speeds if I am not mistaken. So you need all the rollout distance you can get.
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Wow I never knew that they had to install arresting gear at republic. How much room does the Hornet need to land versus a thunderbirds f-16.
ken :mrgreen:
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Both will use about the same amount of runway, if similarly configured. I've read that minimum take off distance is under 2,000' for both, and minimum landing distance is around 3,000'. They do have a Command-required 7,000' minimum runway requirement, but can get a waiver. The arresting gear is only for an emergency, like hydraulic or brake failure, since they don't have a big, long runway to roll out on.
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Do the Blue angels and Thunderbirds ever perform together? (I mean in the same airshow...)
Ken :mrgreen:
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That's rare, Ken. Since their stated purpose is to act as a recruiting and promotional tool, they don't gain much by having them perform at the same show, but there are some exceptions. In June 2008, the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels joined the Snowbirds and Red Arrows in an airshow in Quebec, to celebrate that city's 400th anniversary. There have been a few airshows in the states where they have both performed as well - although I can't find it now, I seem to remember they both performed at Andrews AFB a few years ago during the JSOH show.
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In addition to the Thunderbirds, the Army Golden Knights are also scheduled to appear. And checking out the Navy list of "Eligible Events", Coney Island is also on the list. There are no performers included on that list, and it's not a guarantee that an aircraft will be available, but it does mean they are authorized to appear there.
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They did AC together a few years ago didn't they?
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Originally Posted by Big Tim #70
They did AC together a few years ago didn't they?
Yes
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Even on a long runway, Navy jets get slammed onto the pavement. Land a USAF fighter like that and someone's doing some extra inspections.
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Even on a long runway, Navy jets get slammed onto the pavement. Land a USAF fighter like that and someone's doing some extra inspections.
is that kind of a landing considered Code2 or Code3?
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Even on a long runway, Navy jets get slammed onto the pavement. Land a USAF fighter like that and someone's doing some extra inspections.
They do not chage their landing angle or the fact that they fly into the runway just because they are not landing on the boat. They are told to land one way only. That is whey way they land on a boat, or the airport.
The airplane is made to land that way....plus, it just looks cooler than the airforce's flair! (spelt wrong, I KNOW!)
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/..._ERjE2-L-1.jpg
http://www.longislandwallpapers.com/..._cWUTL-L-1.jpg
(this is the direction every Chickenhawk thread should take....LOTS OF BLUES)
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Cool picture especially of the one over the parkway...(the southern state parkway I imagine...)
ken
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They do not chage their landing angle or the fact that they fly into the runway just because they are not landing on the boat. They are told to land one way only. That is whey way they land on a boat, or the airport.
The airplane is made to land that way....plus, it just looks cooler than the airforce's flair! (spelt wrong, I KNOW!)
Dude, I know they always land that way. :borat: Matt, I'd have to imagine a hard landing would be Code 3. On the F-16, the " oops " that the pilots would sometimes make would be to scrape the rear ventral fins. USAF guys like to roll as long as possible on the rear 2 wheels to use the fuselage to slow the aircraft down.
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Cool picture especially of the one over the parkway...(the southern state parkway I imagine...)
ken
Thanks, it was Souther State Parkway from the New Hwy bridge.
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The C model hornet demo team from VFA-106 will be there.
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Someone told me we will have a forign visitor as well. I'll let my source post it. :borat: 8)
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The worst thing about this show is going to be getting there, parking and the crowd on the beach. Looks like practice days may be the key.
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Also if anyone hears about Thunderbird 7 coming into the area please pass it along. I know they are making their rounds to set up for this years season. Thanks!
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#8 came and went this week at JFK
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#8 came and went this week at JFK
Day late and a dollar short as usual. Thanks.
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Oh well, I guess that means they'll definitely be staging out JFK for the show :(
It's just too bad they won't be using FRG again like they did last year for Jones Beach.
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Bummer I was kind of hoping to have a double feature at republic this year with both the Blue angels and the thunderbirds...Oh well thanks for the info....
Ken