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PhilDernerJr
2012-08-03, 10:19 AM
I read THIS (http://boardingarea.com/blogs/viewfromthewing/2012/08/03/was-the-u-s-government-prepared-to-kill-all-the-passengers-on-board-a-united-flight-to-geneva/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+boardingarea%2Fviewfromthewin g+(View+from+the+Wing)) blog post from one of the Boarding Area writers and was very surprised by what it said.

To me, there are many assumptions. No offense to Mr. Leff at all, but it doesn't seem as though much research was done on this.

Fighter jets have been scrambled for all sorts of things, not just for the intention of shooting down a plane during imminent terrorist threat. The real idea is that fighter jets are fast and nimble. They can catch up with planes that have problems of any kind, and guide them in. Planes that lose radio communications or have some other disturbance on board where the pilots can offer hand signals to pilots, or look into the windows to report to those on the ground what they see, bumping an uncontrolled aircraft off-course to avoid danger, or all sorts of things that very few of us are trained in or aware of.

All the talk about "the last 10 years" as if fighters were never scrambled before that. These situations lately also serve as real-life scramble training for the times that they ARE truly needed. So what's the harm?

With so much left out of the conversation, I find the whole topic to be fairly moot. But besides, what is the problem in being prepared to shoot down an airliner if it is determined they are looking to and about to crash into a skyscraper or stadium? I was surprised to read that the research was admittedly from Wikipedia, but it explains a lot. I thought it was well-known post-9/11 who can give authorization to shoot down a plane: the President, Vice President and the head honcho at NORAD if I recall correctly. Either way, it's irrelevant because this article operates under the assumption that the ONLY purpose of those fighters was in the event of needing a shoot-down. Sadly, when this is article is read by many on the internet who look to Mr. Lett as an authority, they will be further misled. I expect this from more mainstream media, not from .

Heck, I've made mistakes in my own postings and in research, and I was rightfully called out on it. Considering the Mr. Leff seems to be a miles guy and luxury traveler that doesn't actually work IN aviation, I am saddened at the sensationalism of this article.

yankees368
2012-08-03, 10:29 AM
I have to agree with you. How many times have we seen recently where a "disturbed" passenger creates a commotion on a flight, and fighters are scrambled. Obviously, they aren't going to shoot down a plane simply because of a disturbed passenger. It is merely a show of force and to keep an eye on things.

PhilDernerJr
2012-08-03, 11:19 AM
Discussing it on Twitter...

@garyleff: The fighters didn't scramble to 'guide the UA plane to safety'
@phildernerjr: Are you actually saying it was for the sole preparation of shooting it down?
@phildernerjr: They're extra eyes up and do all sorts of things. You act like there's some kind of conspiracy or we're all in danger from it.

megatop412
2012-08-03, 11:26 AM
I take what I hear and read from mainstream media and the 'blogosphere' with a grain of salt anymore. Blogging isn't even journalism, it's mostly opinion that ranges widely in credibility. What I'm hearing this guy say is that now we should all be worried that the government could shoot us out of the sky. More irrational, post-9/11 fear mongering. I don't watch the news anymore because it disgusts me.


And I agree with your post to him Phil- you know someone lost their head for not being able to get fighters scrambled in time on 9/11, so that's not going to happen again. Plus, seeing armed fighters outside the plane sends a pretty strong message don't it. Kind of discourages acts of stupidity.

PhilDernerJr
2012-08-03, 11:29 AM
Exactly...it's a SERVICE, and this blog post implies it's a threat, like a rogue fighter pilot is going to shoot down an airline because of a camera in a seatback. All because only a wikipedia search was done on who can authorize a shoot-down.


Blogging isn't even journalism, it's mostly opinion that ranges widely in credibility.

Exactly why Matt and I started the NYCA blog...for lighters topics, opinions and non-news.

PhilDernerJr
2012-08-03, 03:03 PM
Our friends @AlertNewEngland made the following blog post about the above blog post... http://alertnewengland.blogspot.com/2012/08/fighters-scramble-after-camera-found-on.html

gonzalu
2012-08-03, 05:46 PM
I 've been on a few flights that should have been shot down given the stupidity of some PAX on the flights :tongue: So I don;t think a suspicious package will warrant it. BEsides, the plane should have been done in by French or British fighters as the flight was Europe Bound... it would have been over open water had it not been diverted so... it all stinks as great drama but nothing more.

Hey, I was present when the AA flight was escorted to JFK last Sept 11 at JFK :-) remember? It was cool. And that was also a threat... the jets simply made sure it landed on a runway and not a building or landmark.

Gerard
2012-08-03, 06:43 PM
What I'm hearing this guy say is that now we should all be worried that the government could shoot us out of the sky. More irrational, post-9/11 fear mongering.

Hey Phil ask him if he believes the "chemtrail" conspiracy also? :rolleyes::tongue: