View Full Version : A turtle???
megatop412
2012-07-11, 07:49 PM
Right now, 'Photographer's Choice' is a picture of a tortoise sunning itself in the Seychelles.
To me, this signals the latest in a morphing of what it seems is considered aviation photography. I could understand shots of new aircraft interiors in pristine condition, then before long it was seats full of people that looked like snapshots from vacation. I could understand the photos of shadows of aircraft along the ground, I get the 'artsy' thing. I could understand some of the shots from inside the terminals, given the obvious connection to flight, then last week there was a photo of some hallway with trees growing along the sides. I couldn't even tell it was a terminal. Picturesque, yes, but aviation related? What's next? A shot of a half-eaten Cinnabon sitting in some trash receptacle getting accepted because it's at the airport?
So now there's the turtle picture. If there was no description attached, no one would have any clue this had anything to do with aviation. Maybe a parked aircraft in the background, or something, would have been neat. I'm all for new and interesting concepts/angles/what have you, I know they can't all be side-on shots. And no, there is no 'policy and procedure manual' for aviation photography that dictates right and wrong.
We have discussed the 'motive' rejections here before, and I wanted to know if anyone else feels this way or if I'm 'misinformed'. Since it made Photographer's Choice, must be me I guess(plus, that horizon's totally not level lol)
http://www.airliners.net/photo//2130973/M/
lijk604
2012-07-11, 08:12 PM
What a joke...they will accept that, and reject Cary's "yellow-tint's." Guess with all the screening they do they've never seen an aircraft fly at sunrise or sunset.
gonzalu
2012-07-11, 09:12 PM
I must say, I jokingly voted it for Pand just like I thought it would, it did! that was hilarious. In all seriousness, the picture [does depict] a runway :tongue:
What's next? A shot of a half-eaten Cinnabon sitting in some trash receptacle getting accepted because it's at the airport?
Hey, don't steal my idea! :P
What a joke...they will accept that, and reject Cary's "yellow-tint's." Guess with all the screening they do they've never seen an aircraft fly at sunrise or sunset.
The best part is that a head screener implied that I was bad at interpreting/processing color, after he unknowingly preferred my rejected photos 3 out of 3 times (thinking they were my new edits). They allow a huge range of color balances for different photographers shooting the same thing (just look at the Qatar 787 takeoff shots - http://www.airliners.net/search/photo.search?id=2131043,2131098,2131471,2131594), and then reject me for "slight color casts". Anywho, sorry for threadjacking...let's talk tortoise!
moose135
2012-07-11, 10:09 PM
Who would have thought it? I know where we're all going to be the next time turtles cross the runway at JFK.
Of course, this photo of G-MOO will always be the classic A.net acceptance...I believe it made Photographers Choice before being removed.
http://www.moose135photography.com/photos/933856768_r74i8-XL.jpg
lijk604
2012-07-11, 10:52 PM
Moose, that was what started the "artistic" category of photos. :tongue:
Who would have thought it? I know where we're all going to be the next time turtles cross the runway at JFK.
Of course, this photo of G-MOO will always be the classic A.net acceptance...I believe it made Photographers Choice before being removed.
http://www.moose135photography.com/photos/933856768_r74i8-XL.jpg
megatop412
2012-07-12, 09:28 AM
Who would have thought it? I know where we're all going to be the next time turtles cross the runway at JFK.
Of course, this photo of G-MOO will always be the classic A.net acceptance...I believe it made Photographers Choice before being removed.
http://www.moose135photography.com/photos/933856768_r74i8-XL.jpg
Geez are you serious? I guess I was out of town that week or something because I never saw that.
In conclusion, if I want to look at shots such as these I will pick up a copy of National Geographic. 'Wings of the web' my a**
moose135
2012-07-12, 10:01 AM
The cow photo happened back in 2007, and led to quite a spirited discussion on their photo forum.
Matt Molnar
2012-07-12, 11:53 AM
Obligatory:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y
PhilDernerJr
2012-07-12, 01:27 PM
What's the criteria for Photographer's Choice these days? If chosen by ratings, then it doesn't mean much and can be easily rigged (as has been proven in the past).
The photo is interesting in that is reflects an empty grass runway and an obstacle that pilots must sometimes deal with, but to me, not much more.
Screener's Choice would be more frustrating if this was the result, because then someone "in authority" is saying it's an artistic work.
moose135
2012-07-12, 01:33 PM
What's the criteria for Photographer's Choice these days? If chosen by ratings, then it doesn't mean much and can be easily rigged (as has been proven in the past).
If you have a photographer's account, you can vote on it. Maybe all of this photog's friends decided to vote for his off-centered, back-lit, green-tinted, turtle...
PhilDernerJr
2012-07-12, 01:38 PM
That has happened, several times. Sometimes with intent to toy with the system.
gonzalu
2012-07-12, 07:45 PM
Maybe Pete can chime in as he lurks around here from time to time :-) Pete care to comment how the PC works?
NIKV69
2012-07-12, 07:55 PM
PC is very easily manipulated. It's been discussed ad nauseam on anet. It's a shame but not much that can be done about it.
alevik
2012-07-13, 06:49 PM
Maybe Pete can chime in as he lurks around here from time to time :-) Pete care to comment how the PC works?
Hey Manny - happened to be lurking today and saw your post.
Photographer's Choice is by photographer votes, there is some threshold that has to be achieved in terms of numbers of votes before an image is "officially" made PC.
Yes, it has been subject to manipulation in the past.
As for the tortoise.... not my cup of tea, too much emphasis on the tortoise with a runway in the background.
jerslice
2012-07-13, 07:28 PM
I think that the two posts in the middle left third clearly indicate it to be level.
It’s not backlit, it’s side lit.
50% of this photo is the runway, maybe 8% is turtle, and the rest is sky and trees around the runway. It was accepted because it’s a runway shot…no different than any other. Except that there’s nothing to indicate that it’s a runway instead of a field. I personally think the whole idea was to draw attention to how many runways can you find with tortoises blocking them. The answer so far, is one.
This shot should’ve been rejected for clutter, especially considering that I submitted a pic from Obama’s visit to the Everett factory as my 2012 upload…and they rejected it for “motive” and “clutter”(keeping in mind that the president of the US in the bottom third was the clutter). Now if the turtle isn’t clutter while the president is…well…I think that says something.
Further I don’t understand how the tortoise doesn’t count as either clutter due to blocking the runway, and/or motive since the turtle is clearly not centered.
@ Cary, it’s simple, if you want the screener to accept your shots, just put stuff in them that explain why the color is that way: this is not hard. This photographer clearly wanted to explain why the shot was green, so he included grass. DUH.
Related, only six out of ten screeners agree that grass is green however. Three of the others say it is only ever a sickly yellow/brown, and the fourth curiously says magenta.
@ Cary, it’s simple, if you want the screener to accept your shots, just put stuff in them that explain why the color is that way: this is not hard. This photographer clearly wanted to explain why the shot was green, so he included grass. DUH.
So for my yellow-tinted ones, I should put pictures of Asian people in the background? Perhaps my parents? And for "slight yellow tint", I can do a picture of myself? LOL :smile:
jerslice
2012-07-13, 07:37 PM
So for my yellow-tinted ones, I should put pictures of Asian people in the background? Perhaps my parents? And for "slight yellow tint", I can do a picture of myself? LOL :smile:
I'm not going to tell you how to be a photographer Cary, that's for the screeners to do.
My upload with my parents in it has already been rejected!!! :mad:
We have had to reject the following photos: - e1341326535.3341caryliao_mg_8660.jpg (China Eastern Airlines Airbus A340-642)
A comment from the screener regarding this upload: "strong yellow cast, very common subject, slanted eyes"
Color http://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#color
Common http://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#common
Editing http://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#editing
Level http://www.airliners.net/faq/rejection_reasons.php#level
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