New Copters For The NYPD

[Gerard]

Time to update the 412s.....

http://www.shephard.co.uk/news/3014/bel ... -for-nypd/ (http://www.shephard.co.uk/news/3014/bell-412s-to-fly-for-nypd/)

Interesting that they arent THAT old.....

Aviation 12 (N412PD) is the oldest at 13 years and Aviation 14 (N414PD) is 10 years old.
N23FH is only 7 years old.

[cancidas]

sweet! wonder if they'll sell me 414PD... why couldn't they buy some UH-60Ms?

[emshighway]

sweet! wonder if they'll sell me 414PD... why couldn't they buy some UH-60Ms?

I don't see why they wouldn't. The original Aviation 14 was a Huey. That was a great bird.

[Gerard]

sweet! wonder if they'll sell me 414PD... why couldn't they buy some UH-60Ms?

>I don't see why they wouldn't. The original Aviation 14 was a Huey. That was a great bird.<

I have to respectfully disagree.
The two Hueys I remembered were Aviation 8 and 9. # 9 had pontoons then # 9 became a
hangar queen and its parts used for # 8. Before being retired they put the pontoons on # 8. # 8
worked for awhile alongside Aviation 12 then it too was retired when # 14 came in to service.
Maybe someone can confirm but I believe # 8 was donated to Aviation High School in Queens and used
for teaching purposes.
And yes they were great ships!!
I would love to see the pontoons on one of the 412s. :D

[cancidas]

I would love to see the pontoons on one of the 412s.
they're already installed, and can be inflated in a pinch! they're a bit hard to stow though, you have to be outside the helo to do so...

[Gerard]

I would love to see the pontoons on one of the 412s.
they're already installed, and can be inflated in a pinch! they're a bit hard to stow though, you have to be outside the helo to do so...

No these were already inflated and attached to the ship. They looked very cool and i saw the PD land
in the water a number of times with them. At various times they had a Bell 47 and a JetRanger with
pontoons also. The ones on the Huey were black and pretty big.

[Mateo]

Is there a civil/demilitarized version of the UH-60 out there? I know NYPD has started to buy Agustas, but there isn't really anything between the A119 and the AB139 (which is way too big). Down here in Washington, the US Park Police (which provides air cover to Presidential motorcades and supports large events on the Mall) operates a pair of 412s, the older of which is from 1990.

[Gerard]

Is there a civil/demilitarized version of the UH-60 out there? I know NYPD has started to buy Agustas, but there isn't really anything between the A119 and the AB139 (which is way too big). Down here in Washington, the US Park Police (which provides air cover to Presidential motorcades and supports large events on the Mall) operates a pair of 412s, the older of which is from 1990.

The S-70 Firehawk, the civilian version of the UH-60.

http://www.fire.lacounty.gov/AirWildlan ... AirOps.asp (http://www.fire.lacounty.gov/AirWildland/AirWildlandAirOps.asp)

[cancidas]

as much as i'd love to see it, the NYPD really doesn't need to fly a UH-60. the reason LA County Fire flies them is they're much more capable in terms of payload and speed compared to a 412. the 412 can lift 4500lb externally but cruises only at ~120kts. the UH-60 cruises at 150kts and can carry 9,000lb slung underneath. the NYPD really has no need to fly a -60. =(

[Gerard]

as much as i'd love to see it, the NYPD really doesn't need to fly a UH-60. the reason LA County Fire flies them is they're much more capable in terms of payload and speed compared to a 412. the 412 can lift 4500lb externally but cruises only at ~120kts. the UH-60 cruises at 150kts and can carry 9,000lb slung underneath. the NYPD really has no need to fly a -60. =(

And LA City just got 2 new AW139s when I was out there in March. Fire 3 and 5. From what I read I believe they want to transition
to all AW139s. Their other ships are 412s. The big birds are very useful out there fighting the wildfires with their water tank capacity.

[cancidas]

the AW139 does have a bigger cabin than the B412, which is useful. i wonder how much they can carry slung. what is strange is that LA City Fire flies the 412 with the Simplex Manufacturing water tanks mounted to the fuselage. the tanks for the AW139 can carry 400 gallons of water. the tanks meant for the 412 only 360. not much difference there.

personally, i'd have stayed with the 412EP over a AW-139 any day.

[Gerard]

>[quote="cancidas"]the AW139 does have a bigger cabin than the B412, which is useful. i wonder how much they can carry slung. what is strange is that LA City Fire flies the 412 with the Simplex Manufacturing water tanks mounted to the fuselage. the tanks for the AW139 can carry 400 gallons of water. the tanks meant for the 412 only 360. not much difference there. <

Agusta/Westland gave a better deal than Bell? :?

[cancidas]

Agusta/Westland gave a better deal than Bell?
probably....

[Nick]

the NYPD really has no need to fly a -60. =(

Bummer, I'd love to see someone do one up in Photoshop tho. And besides, I know this one guy who works on 'em from time to time. Just sayin'.

[Matt Molnar]

personally, i'd have stayed with the 412EP over a AW-139 any day.
Don't they serve different roles?

[Mateo]

personally, i'd have stayed with the 412EP over a AW-139 any day.
Don't they serve different roles?Maybe, but it looks like LA County wanted it for the same role - lugging water (read: heavy) to fires. Cruise speed probably doesn't matter much, more the ability to take 2800lbs of water to where it needs to be. That being said, the 139 does have a huge cabin. For some reason, it always re-impresses me when I see the seats lined up 4-abreast.

[Gerard]

Here's a cool pic.......

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Los-Ange ... 39-(AW-139 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Los-Angeles-City/Agusta-AB-139-(AW-139))/1466540/&sid=ad8906d418da55e4478fdbc12a2484bc

[cancidas]

Bummer, I'd love to see someone do one up in Photoshop tho.

i agree! too bad i'm better with a cyclic and collective than i am with ps...

[Gerard]

MMMMM.....

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Los%20An ... %20(AW-139 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Los%20Angeles%20City%20Fire%20Department/Agusta%20AB-139%20(AW-139))/1470711/M

sORRY guys but the cut/paste aint workin....

[cancidas]

Here's a cool pic.......

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Los-Ange ... 39-(AW-139 (http://www.airliners.net/photo/Los-Angeles-City/Agusta-AB-139-(AW-139))/1466540/&sid=ad8906d418da55e4478fdbc12a2484bc
do you mean these:

1466540
1470711
1467512

sorry, that's one fugly helo. the cockpit is nice though...

[emshighway]

sweet! wonder if they'll sell me 414PD... why couldn't they buy some UH-60Ms?

>I don't see why they wouldn't. The original Aviation 14 was a Huey. That was a great bird.<

I have to respectfully disagree.
The two Hueys I remembered were Aviation 8 and 9. # 9 had pontoons then # 9 became a
hangar queen and its parts used for # 8. Before being retired they put the pontoons on # 8. # 8
worked for awhile alongside Aviation 12 then it too was retired when # 14 came in to service.
Maybe someone can confirm but I believe # 8 was donated to Aviation High School in Queens and used
for teaching purposes.
And yes they were great ships!!
I would love to see the pontoons on one of the 412s. :D


It probably was 8 or 9. It was a long time ago when I flew in them. I could have sworn it was 14 but I was too busy with the patient to really look.

[Gerard]

It probably was 8 or 9. It was a long time ago when I flew in them. I could have sworn it was 14 but I was too busy with the patient to really look.[/quote]

Yeah it was 89/90 when the Huey was retired.

[Gerard]

]
>do you mean these:<

Thanks :)

>[sorry, that's one fugly helo.<

Except for those Mil Russkie ships :lol: I've never seen an ugly helo.

[DHG750R]

Found some shots of vintage NYPD aviation on this website http://www.policeny.com/

Love the Bell47 and 206 on pontoons
http://www.policeny.com/aviationharbor1.html

http://www.geocities.com/floyd_bennett_field/nypd.html

http://www.policeny.com/aviation1.html

[cancidas]

nice find darrell! i never knew there was a BO-105 flying for aviation...

[Gerard]

nice find darrell! i never knew there was a BO-105 flying for aviation...

That was Aviation 2. In July of 1992 they were practicing an autorotation at Floyd Bennett and came down too hard/fast and
flattened the skids and severed the tail boom. Both officers on board were injured (one medevaced by USCG to Bellevue) and
that was it for the 105. Too bad as I really liked that ship. But watching some past autos being practiced there using the 105
I cant say I was totally surprised.

[Gerard]

Heres some pictures of a State PD huey with pontoons.
http://www.timesunion.com/photogallerie ... allery.htm (http://www.timesunion.com/photogalleries/pics_ship/gallery.htm)

Anyone remember the EPA Huey that used to fly around the area taking water samples?
They had pontoons also. Now they fly a TwinStar though I havent seen them in awhile.
http://www.helispot.com/photo/0000693

[emshighway]

It probably was 8 or 9. It was a long time ago when I flew in them. I could have sworn it was 14 but I was too busy with the patient to really look.


Yeah it was 89/90 when the Huey was retired.

Yep, I am an old fart, worked out of Elmhurst at that time.

[Gerard]

It probably was 8 or 9. It was a long time ago when I flew in them. I could have sworn it was 14 but I was too busy with the patient to really look.


Yeah it was 89/90 when the Huey was retired.

>Yep, I am an old fart,<

Join the club!!! :)

[Tom_Turner]

nice find darrell! i never knew there was a BO-105 flying for aviation...

Holy crap..neither did I.

Nice find.

Tom

[Tom_Turner]

Anyone remember the EPA Huey that used to fly around the area taking water samples? They had pontoons also. Now they fly a TwinStar though I havent seen them in awhile.
http://www.helispot.com/photo/0000693

Never got to see it, but I did shoot this one about a year ago...

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3260/2884133354_c72bd5f4dc_o.jpg

Tom

[Gerard]

Never got to see it, but I did shoot this one about a year ago...
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3260/2884133354_c72bd5f4dc_o.jpg

Nice pic. They call (called) the ship the "Coastal Crusader" and it was (is) based out of Edison, NJ.

[Gerard]

I would love to see the pontoons on one of the 412s.
they're already installed, and can be inflated in a pinch! they're a bit hard to stow though, you have to be outside the helo to do so...

No these were already inflated and attached to the ship. They looked very cool and i saw the PD land
in the water a number of times with them. At various times they had a Bell 47 and a JetRanger with
pontoons also. The ones on the Huey were black and pretty big.

Wow, going through some pictures I totally fiorgot I had pics of the PD Huey with the pontoons....DUH!!!

http://www.helispot.com/photo/0003314

[Tom_Turner]

Thats a black and white image of the Bell 206 w/pontoons over the Brooklyn Bridge, but if memory is correct, that model was painted black on white...


Found some shots of vintage NYPD aviation on this website http://www.policeny.com/

Love the Bell47 and 206 on pontoons
http://www.policeny.com/aviationharbor1.html

http://www.geocities.com/floyd_bennett_field/nypd.html

http://www.policeny.com/aviation1.html

[Gerard]

[quote="Tom_Turner"]Thats a black and white image of the Bell 206 w/pontoons over the Brooklyn Bridge, but if memory is correct, that model was painted black on white...

I think it was in the colors of the old PD vehicles of dark green and black and white!!

[Tom_Turner]

Thats a black and white image of the Bell 206 w/pontoons over the Brooklyn Bridge, but if memory is correct, that model was painted black on white...

I think it was in the colors of the old PD vehicles of dark green and black and white!!

Yes, I was thinking of those colors and the vehicles, but not sure any green ever got onto this one.. but I could be wrong.

Tom

[NYCMedic]

Has anyone seen the State Department of Health chopper? It flew past my house last week at about 100' over the shoreline. It was Gray with a lot of external electronic devices and DOH in big blue letters on the Aft fuselage.

[Tom_Turner]

Has anyone seen the State Department of Health chopper? It flew past my house last week at about 100' over the shoreline. It was Gray with a lot of external electronic devices and DOH in big blue letters on the Aft fuselage.

Here you go.....

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2486/3866101781_d2ebef26f2_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2441/3866886932_3fcafb1a78_o.jpg

Tom

[emshighway]

Those look like sprayers. I guess they use this for west Nile spraying.

[Tom_Turner]

Those look like sprayers. I guess they use this for west Nile spraying.

EMS ....Thats exactly right.

Tom

[NYCMedic]

Thanks Tom! I stand corrected, It is The NYC DOH not NYS DOH.

Those are definitely sprayers..............

[Gerard]

Has anyone seen the State Department of Health chopper? It flew past my house last week at about 100' over the shoreline. It was Gray with a lot of external electronic devices and DOH in big blue letters on the Aft fuselage.

Great pics Tom. I think I brought this ship up for discussion last year or so after I heard the call sign on JFK Tower but I didnt realize
it had markings and was outfitted for aerial spraying. Looks pretty wild. Do you know where its home base is?