CRJ-700 takes off with cargo door open

[DHG750R]

http://aviation-safety.net/news/newsitem.php?id=1925


21 OCT 2007 CRJ-700 takes off with open cargo door: loses bags after takeoff from MDW
A Delta Connection flight (ASQ718 to Atlanta) returned to Chicago-Midway because the cabin failed to pressurize. It appeared that a cargo door had not been closed properly. Two bags fell from the cargo hold. An employee of the Belt Railway Company found one bag in a rail yard nearly a mile from the airport.
The aircraft involved was a Canadair Regional Jet CRJ-700. (AP)

[PhilDernerJr]

I guess there are no messages in the cockpit that indicate when the doors are closed?

[HPNPilot1200]

I guess there are no messages in the cockpit that indicate when the doors are closed?

There's a caution annunciator for the Cargo Door that displays on the EICAS for the CRJ700. However, that doesn't necessarily mean the associated sensor on the door was working properly.

[DHG750R]

There was an article attached to the item , I could not copy and paste from it , It did state the foward cargo door warning system was inoperative ( Not sure about the CR7 , but it is usually an item you can go with inop on most types )

[PhilDernerJr]

I would think that such a thing could not be deferred. The negative results would be very serious I'd think.

"Are the doors closed?"

"It doesn't matter."

"Oh ok."

[Matt Molnar]

Those poor bags must have been really scared. :(

[T-Bird76]

How does a ramper forget to close a cargo door? Its not like Delta has a million flights out of MDW and a simple walk around they would have seen it, I would also think when the plane was pushed back it would have been noticed. Perhaps it was closed and then opened on its own as a result of an MX issue?

[PhilDernerJr]

I don't know how the CRJ works, but maybe the door was closed but not locked properly.

[Smartass Flyboy]

I don't know how the CRJ works, but maybe the door was closed but not locked properly.


The CRJ cargo door slides striaght up (picture a manually operated DC-10 cabin door) so amazingly enough the aircraft would fly with the door open. As to forgetting to close it, well that would be a major DOH!! You have to sqeeze out under the port side engine and slither down the belt so it's not like you could forget it easily. Probably had a last minute valet bag coming and some yelled leave it open a sec we've got one more and tht one more never came. Now since it is obsured by the port side engine no one noticed it open, OOPS.

[cancidas]

I don't know how the CRJ works, but maybe the door was closed but not locked properly.

the door might not have sealed properly even though it would appear to be closed from the outside upon a visual inspection. also, the sensor could have been malfuntioning too. i've seen it happen on JIA airplanes a few times. might not be a ramp rat fault at all.

[dlx737200]

Those doors can be tricky sometimes. I know on ASA, if they have a deferred cargo door indicator, they always say right before we push, "Can you verify the cargo door is shut and secure?" At this time I always says, "One sec," walk behind the wing, open it and the shut it firmly to make sure it's closed then usually still hit on it with my fist to make sure it doesn't open back up. Then I return to the pushback and say, "Cargo door shut and secure." That's ASA's policy.

-Justin

[stuart schechter]

"It's raining baggage, Hallelujah, it's raining bags"

[lijk604]

Someone call a doctor, Stuart needs serious help. j/k Stuart.

[hiss srq]

(F/O)Hmmmm..... I can swear I got the trim settings right on this one but it feels a touch heavy.

(2,000 hour Captain) You moron, I knew you were bad with math and reading when we bunked at Riddle!

(Typical Chicago Ramper) Eh, whatever at least most of the bags will make it.

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[Derf]

(F/O)Hmmmm..... I can swear I got the trim settings right on this one but it feels a touch heavy.

(2,000 hour Captain) You moron, I knew you were bad with math and reading when we bunked at Riddle!

(Typical Chicago Ramper) Eh, whatever at least most of the bags will make it.

(F/O)Hmmmm..... I can swear I got the trim settings right on this one but it feels a touch heavy.

(2,000 hour Captain) You moron, I knew you were bad with math and reading when we bunked at Riddle!

(Typical Chicago Ramper) Eh, whatever at least most of the bags will make it.


You can say that again....Oh wait, you did!

[stuart schechter]

Someone call a doctor, Stuart needs serious help. j/k Stuart.

*twitches*I have no idea what your*twitch* talking about