WTF is up with our weather?!

[Mellyrose]

Seriously, it's getting completely insane. Look at the forecast for tomorrow....and let me remind you of the date: JANUARY 6TH!

http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/Jan4weather.jpg

If it actually reaches 69, that has got to be some sort of record. Wacky. :shock:

[T-Bird76]

The records for Sat are only in the 50s to that record is going to smashed! I hope the clouds break early Sat, if they do I'm heading down to LGA or JFK for some warm winter spotting! It will be to nice to stay inside.

[mirrodie]

see http://www.nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4588&start=0

Probably has a wee little bit of something to do with it, but what do I know? ;)

[pgengler]

Hey, I'm certainly not complaining! (If I could drag the NY area further south, I'd do it in a heartbeat.) I ended up taking off my coat on the walk to work today, and was perfectly comfortable with just a (short-sleeve) polo shirt.

[Mellyrose]

see http://www.nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4588&start=0

Probably has a wee little bit of something to do with it, but what do I know? ;)

I know I know....see: http://www.greenorder.com

;)

I wasn't actually asking for an explanation....just noting how disgusting it is. (I'm a fall/winter kinda gal)

[hiss srq]

I will be out getting a suntan drinking Cosmos or beer on the beach probably with Idle and some friends!

[Mellyrose]

I will be out getting a suntan drinking Cosmos or beer on the beach probably with Idle and some friends!

#1: Cosmos? How adorable

#2: Doesn't that mean you'll be in Florida where it's not strange for it to be warm in January? durrrrrrr

[Matt Molnar]

I'll be out shopping for some beach front property in Nebraska.

[moose135]

I wasn't actually asking for an explanation....just noting how disgusting it is. (I'm a fall/winter kinda gal)

I'm loving it! No shoveling the driveway, no driving in snow & slush, no big heavy coats... :D

[hiss srq]

No I will be here at my home in Long Beach 70 is warm enough for me! :)

[SCOTYDEMCO]

Anyone here play golf? Great day for the beach as well.

[Midnight Mike]

I will be out getting a suntan drinking Cosmos or beer on the beach probably with Idle and some friends!

Cosmos?!?!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/MidnightMike/Joke%20Photos/gaysignal.jpg

[RDU-JFK]

LOL to Midnight Mike's cosmo pic!!!

[USAF Pilot 07]

I'm sooo loving this warm weather! It's nice to finally come back to NY for once and get away from all the cold and snow in Colorado! I go back Sunday, so at least I will be able to enjoy tomorrow, and hopefully the weather back in Colorado won't be either balls cold or "blizzardy", like it normally is when we go back...

[nwafan20]

We will pay for it in March...

[T-Bird76]

We will pay for it in March...

You know you right we are sitting here saying how great this is, which it is but Feb and March haven't passed. The next weather thread might look something like this thread http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1681&highlight=blizzard

Weather in NY can get wild...

[hiss srq]

Well I will take the warmth now and enjoy the snow storm when it finally hits us. I think it would be quite Ironic if we got nailed by one oh say two weeks from now. At least I can say I was alive the time it hit 70 in early January here in NY.

[nwafan20]

Yeah, we will either get hit hard in March, or in the years to come. The average is the average.

[Mellyrose]

Actually, I was saying how much this SUCKED. I hate it. :(

[USAF Pilot 07]

Actually, I was saying how much this SUCKED. I hate it. :(

All I can say is enjoy it while you can, because you may end up getting your wish - a big snowfall - sometime in March! With these large temperature fluctuations, and the "global warming" events, what seems to be the case, is that we're seeing more significant departures from normal; in both directions. For example, this fall back in Colorado, we saw record warmth for a stretch of several days, in overall, it was a nice September. But, come October, we had a 18 blizzard hit, and you all know what has happened there in the past few weeks.

I used to be a huge snow fan, and would hate it when it got warm in the winter, or when we saw no big snowstorms, like in 1999 (I think that was the year), but the warm weather seems to put everyone in such a better mood, and just makes getting around, and life, a lot easier. Maybe it's because I'm around cold and snow for a large part of the year - being in Colorado - that I've started to feel this way, but I would take a warm day over a cold day anyday nowadays. The snow is fun, and it's great for the mountains, but to me it gets old quick and the cold associated with it, is no fun...

[yaas]

Christmas & NYE didn't feel the same at all- it was way too warm. Although I should've taken advantage and done NYE in Time's Square at least once in my life for the experience. But it was my sister's big bday party so that wouldn't have happened anyway.

I kinda miss snow :(

[NcSchu]

I thought this weather was due more to El Nino and not as much global warming.

[Mellyrose]

Whatever it is, I'm sweating right now and that's not ok.

[Midnight Mike]

I thought this weather was due more to El Nino and not as much global warming.

It is, the warm air currents from the ocean is blocking the cold air currents from the Artic.

[Midnight Mike]

We will pay for it in March...

You know you right we are sitting here saying how great this is, which it is but Feb and March haven't passed. The next weather thread might look something like this thread http://nycaviation.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1681&highlight=blizzard

Weather in NY can get wild...

Good post Tommy! Some people have short term memories.

Kind of on the same lines that Al Gore tried to use the Hurricanes in 2005 to promote his movie, and then in 2006, when there were no big disaster Hurricanes, we did not hear a word from Al Gore...... :roll: :lol:

[Matt Molnar]

Forecasters say it's going to get a lot cooler around the middle of January thanks to an arctic air mass moving down from Canada, bringing with it normal or BELOW NORMAL temperatures, and the possibility of snow.

By the way, it's currently 70 in Central Park, 71 at LaGuardia.

[nwafan20]

Don't worry, Al Gore will use this to his full advantage, but that's ok, most of the world just ignores him anyway... He will shut up once we get the cold weather.

And yes, El Nino is the main cause for it.

Out here in Michigan we don't have it as good as you guys, we have had rain for the past week, and weather in the 40's... So much rain that our basement flooded!

[N790SW]

Hey lets just enjoy the nice weather lol, Who cares about Feb and March right now and just for your information I can probably beat you all in a snowball fight anyways :mrgreen: 8)

[USAF Pilot 07]

How sweet it is out today! The only way you can tell that it's not late spring/early summer is by the sun angle. I saw a temperature sign in midtown reading 72 just a short while ago!

[Iberia A340-600]

Christmas & NYE didn't feel the same at all- it was way too warm. Although I should've taken advantage and done NYE in Time's Square at least once in my life for the experience. But it was my sister's big bday party so that wouldn't have happened anyway.

I kinda miss snow :(

I completley agree with you yaas. While I am not a big fan of cold weather it just didn't seem like Christmas this year with out the cold weather and the beautiful scent of winter!

Something to remember is that it isn't uncommon or well It hasn't been uncommon in the past 15 years to have one or two days in January and February when the temperature has reached 70 degrees.

I write this right now sitting at my computer desk with basketball and a t-shirt on with the window open, it's great. :)

However us school kids would like some snow days soon. ;)

[emshighway]

A RECORD HIGH TEMPERATURE OF 72 DEGREES WAS SET AT LAGUARDIA TODAY
AT 323 PM. THIS BREAKS THE OLD RECORD OF 59 SET IN 1998.

THIS TIES THE ALL TIME HIGH TEMPERATURE FOR JANUARY AT LAGUARDIA OF
72 DEGREES SET BACK ON JANUARY 26TH 1950.

[Midnight Mike]

According to the Drudge Report




FLASHBACK: NYC had record high of 68F on Jan 13, 1932. 70F on Jan 14, 1932 and 67F on Jan 15, 1932...
http://drudgereport.com/

http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2006/ ... he_hea.php (http://www.gothamist.com/archives/2006/01/30/feeling_the_hea.php)

At two degrees warmer than any other January, 1932 will hold on to the top spot in the rankings.


http://www.geocities.com/donsutherland1/tempjannyc.html
Temperatures for January
(1869-Present)

06-Jan-2007 = 72 degrees
14-Jan-1932 = 70 degrees
15-Jan-1932 = 67 degrees
27-Jan-1916 = 69 degrees

[Matt Molnar]

AccuWeather says "NOT SO FAST, GLOBAL WARMING LOVERS." :(

Accuweather Press Release:

WINTER TO COME "WITH A VENGEANCE"
Prolonged Period of Cold and Stormy Weather Appears on the Way

(State College, PA - January 8, 2007) - The unseasonably warm winter experienced by much of the country is likely to "turn on a dime," in the words of AccuWeather.com Chief Long-Range Forecaster Joe Bastardi.

Bastardi said that the weather pattern from mid-January through mid-February has a chance to mimic the winters of 1965-66 and 1957-58, each of which ended cold and stormy after a warm start. A worst-case scenario would be if this winter plays out as did the winter of 1977-1978.

Similar to this year, 1977-1978 was a winter with a waning El Nino. After a tepid start, the second half of the winter was noted for its cold and remarkable storminess, including back-to-back-to-back blizzards in the Northeast.

"Those who think that winter 2006-2007 is going to remain mild are in for a shock," said Bastardi. "Winter is likely to come with a vengeance. A week from now, we'll start seeing truly cold air across much of the country, and we expect this change to last."

Added Bastardi, "Whether we end up with seasonably cold weather, or something far worse, remains to be seen. There are indications that this winter could parallel severe winters of the past. Even should we not see an extremely cold and snowy conclusion to winter, you can be sure that by the end of the month, when those in the Northeast are shoveling out their driveways and sidewalks, the mild weather we're experiencing now will be a distant memory."

Where Will Winter Go From Here?
The first signs of change will be noticed this week. A passing shot of cold air will knock temperatures down to typical January levels in the northeastern part of the country for a few days. Temperatures will return to unseasonably warm levels by the latter part of week and last into early next week. The seeds for the more-lasting change, however, will be planted in the western part of the country.

Arctic air from western Canada will pour southward into the Pacific Northwest, northern Rockies, and northern Plains this week, and this will mark the beginning of a true winter weather pattern that will encompass much of the nation over the next couple of weeks. The core of the coldest air by the latter part of the week will be centered in the Rockies and northern Plains, and the arrival of the cold air will mean another round of accumulating snow for Denver later this week.

The cold air will slowly push southward and eastward from this weekend into early next week and will likely arrive in the eastern part of the country by the middle of next week. Much of the nation will then have a cold weather pattern for the second half of the month.

Long-range forecasting expert Bastardi points out that it's too early to say with certainty that the change in the weather pattern will be long-lasting or produce heavy amounts of snow. However, he believes that if the weather pattern reaches its full potential, the dramatic change from warmth to cold could result in "one of the top-five coldest 30-day stretches in the past half century."

[moose135]

AccuWeather.com Chief Long-Range Forecaster Joe Bastardi

That Bastard! I want my warm weather :)

[Mellyrose]

It was snowing this morning! <3!!!! :)

[hiss srq]

yes it was... It was flurring on and off while I was in Pit Monday

[Matt Molnar]

On the bright side, this might be a good time to get a warm coat if you need one. Lackluster sales due to the warm weather have forced retailers to cut prices early and there's still some nice stuff left because no one is buying them. I saw Lord & Taylor was selling all their men's outerwear for half price even two weekends ago, and Paragon Sports is having their "2nd Floor Sale": 20-40% off all outerwear...when I worked there last winter I'm pretty sure they didn't have this sale until March.

[mirrodie]

Don't worry, Al Gore will use this to his full advantage, but that's ok, most of the world just ignores him anyway... He will shut up once we get the cold weather.


:roll:
Feel free to comment minus the obvious underlying political issues you are portraying. The issue is the climate.

In another thread, you said " We are in the high-stage of a mini ice age that happened in the 60's and 70's, it is all a cycle."

So again I ask, how are those polar ice caps and glaciers going to reform?

[PhilDernerJr]

I think we're jsut still coming out of an ice age, which as I understnad is cyclical by the thousands of years.

How will they reform? Over time....but we'll be long dead by then.

I just have a tough time believing that air pollution has that BIG of an effect on polar icce caps melting.

As for Al Gore, or ANY politically motivated non-political issue, when you are being "taught" by someone, if they start with the phrase "did you know...." it's probably biased bull**** no matter who it's coming from.

[USAF Pilot 07]

Let's not forget that our Earth and her atmosphere are MILLIONS of years old!

Looking at our climate over the past hundred years is USELESS in determining whether or not increased global warming due to human "interaction" is occuring.

Major Climate changes occur over thousands of years. While we may witness minor climate "fluctuations" over shorter periods of time, there will always be either a warming or cooling trend. There are several published journals that present charts of the Earth's mean temperature over the last 500,000 years! While the confidence in some of that data may not be as high as desired (for obvious reasons), it's not unreasonable to believe there is some validity behind the findings. If you take a look at these charts, you'll see that the Earth has generally experienced a SHARP rise in temperature over periods of 5,000 - 10,000 years, and then has gone through a slower cooling period lasting about 90,000 years.

Presently, it appears that we are coming out of one of the "cooling" periods, and thus it is normal to expect temperatures to rise.

So is global warming occuring? In short, yes. The Earth's mean temperature today is a lot warmer than it was 1,000 years ago. But, it isn't yet at the warmest it's ever been, nor is it far off from the climatological "average" during warming periods.

As for the greenhouse gases and stuff, it is normal to see an increase in these gases with the natural increase in temperature. A natural warming period is going to lead to warmer surface conditions (such as warmer water temperatures) which lead to a natural increase of CO2 in the atmosphere.

Humans have not caused global warming. But the biggest question is really "How have humans affected this natural global warming?" There is simply not enough evidence to suggest that we have affected the atmosphere in a way that is having an impact on our climate. We really cannot be sure either way, though.

Personally, I believe that we have affected our atmosphere due to the advances in technology we've seen in the past 100-200 years, but that the amount of which we have done so, has not yet had a significant impact on our climate. If we continue to output the stuff we do for the next thousand years, then I think we may begin to see the correlation between humans and increased global warming. But the technological advances we have made in just the past 30 years are a good sign of things to come. Who knows, maybe in 100 years we won't be outputting nearly any of the pollutants we currently do!

And as for Al Gore. He's a political figure with an agenda! People shouldn't take him so seriously. Does he have a doctorate in Climatology? Has been studying this stuff for many years, as professors and scientists around the world have? Simply put, NO. So take what he says, and puts out with a tiny grain of salt. Anyone in a public spotlight can take some of the facts, some of the hypotheses proposed and some of his or her personal opinion and make them all inter-related and factual, and present them in a way that is very compelling and appears to be true. We see this all the time, especially in politics, on both sides!

[USAF Pilot 07]

Hey all I can say to you all is be glad you haven't been in Colorado the past month! Not only have most places East of the Rockies seen several FEET of snow, cold temperatures have accompanied them.

Landing in Colorado last Sunday, looked like landing in Antartica! Everything, but major roads, were snow covered. Even the runway edges were covered in snow, and some of the taxiways had patches of snow/ice. Also, the alleyways between the terminals (if you've ever been to DIA you'll know what I'm talking about, but it's where planes push back and taxi on to get to the main taxiways) were all snow-packed!

And look at the forecast for this weekend:

Friday:
Wintry Mix
Hi 12°F

Friday Night:
Wintry Mix
Lo -8°F

Saturday:
Wintry Mix
Hi 6°F

Saturday Night:
Wintry Mix
Lo -2°F

Sunday:
Chance Snow
Hi 12°F

Sunday Night:
Slight Chc Snow
Lo -4°F

And that's for the Denver Metropolitan Area! Suburbs will see colder temps, and the mountains will reach lows of close to -20F... Now that's some cold!

[FlyingColors]

Warm is OK, but this is too much.
A multitude of businesses rely on some heavy snow in the Northeast. Great for the economy.
Hear me out, not wishing for an ice age for 8 months, but 3 good storms work wonders.

[Matt Molnar]

Ok, now this is kinda scary.

KNBC (http://knbc.nbcweatherplus.com/weathernews/10773559/detail.html):

Winter Blast Brings Snow To West LA, Malibu
CHP To Escort Motorists Through Icy Grapevine

POSTED: 9:43 am PST January 17, 2007
UPDATED: 7:04 pm PST January 17, 2007

SANTA CLARITA, Calif. -- Snow fell on the palm trees of West Los Angeles and Malibu Wednesday afternoon as Jack Frost visited the Southland again.

NBC4 forecaster Fritz Coleman said the mixture of precipitation in West Los Angeles at about 3 p.m. included a dusting of snow. Residents in West Los Angeles said the snow accumulated in parking lots, on cars and around palm trees near Wilshire and Santa Monica boulevards and other areas.

Most of the snow fell south of Sunset Boulevard and just east of the 405 Freeway. Residents told NBC4 that several inches of snow fell in their yards.

The last snowfall recorded at Los Angeles International Airport was in January 1962, according to the National Weather Service. Trace amounts -- less than 0.5 inches -- were reported, according to the NWS.

Snow fell earlier Wednesday in Malibu and caused traffic problems on the area's winding and narrow roads. Sleet made driving treacherous on Kanan Dume Road, a steep route through the Santa Monica Mountains where it's more typical to see beach-bound cars loaded with surfboards than a snowplow.

"One of our sergeants said he hadn't seen anything like this in 20 years," said California Highway Patrol Officer Leland Tang at the West Valley Station.

A probation officer at a juvenile camp in the Santa Monicas said he was traveling down Kanan Dume when it began to snow.

"It was snowing pretty good," said Officer Oscar Cross. "The road was covered in ice and slush, and I saw one car slide into a ditch. Everyone seemed scared to drive."

Cross said that when he reached Pacific Coast Highway, the weather turned "nice and sunny."

"It's easy to mistake Malibu at sea level with the Malibu Hills," said Coleman. "Malibu Hills are about 550 feet to 580 feet. That's almost easy to understand. The sea-level snow is not."

More snow was reported in Canyon Country, where a resident said he has not seen snow for about 10 years.

In Ventura County, northwest of Los Angeles, a portion of State Route 33 about 12 miles north of Ojai, was closed due to snow and ice, said Marie Raptis, a spokeswoman for the California Department of Transportation.

Snow, Ice Close Grapevine

Authorities closed the northbound Golden State (5) Freeway at Parker Road in northern Los Angeles County about 8:40 a.m., due to snow and ice on the section of the route popularly known as the Grapevine, the California Highway Patrol reported.

CHP officials said Wednesday evening that the road is expected to remain closed through the night.

"We're at the mercy of Mother Nature," said California Highway Patrol Officer Francisco Villalobos.

Southbound lanes were closed at Laval Road, Villalobos said.

CHP officers escorted motorists -- 100 vehicles at a time -- through the area earlier Wednesday. Vehicles were stopped on the side of the freeway as snowplows cleared paths.

"I go to work in Bakersfield, and I got stuck here," a trucker told NBC4. "It's beautiful."

CHP officers provided motorists with alternate routes, but warned that conditions on some of those roads also were dangerous because of ice and snow.

CHP Officer George White said about three inches of snow accumulated on the freeway, with a layer of ice underneath, causing a number of car and truck spinouts near the Pyramid Lake area. South of Pyramid Lake, in the Santa Clarita area, drivers were contending with hail and slushy snow.

Weather Pattern To Continue

The National Weather Service said the wintry precipitation was from an upper-level low moving through the region.

The cold set in late last week, bringing night after night of freezing overnight temperature to many parts of the state and causing extensive agricultural damage.

In the high desert north of Los Angeles, the early morning low was 8 degrees at Lancaster and 14 at Palmdale. Numerous other points in Southern California had lows in the 30s, with some areas in the 20s. Downtown Los Angeles was 44 overnight.

In the Van Nuys area of the San Fernando Valley, where the morning low was 35, a 6-inch water main broke and flooded a street. Service was cut to 30 homes, said Carol Tucker, a spokeswoman for the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power.

The city's water mains don't freeze because they are underground, but extremely cold water can cause the cast iron pipes to crack, Tucker said.

Fire departments across Southern California have reported hundreds of calls in recent days about burst pipes. The Victorville courthouse got flooded when sprinkler heads ruptured, and broken irrigation lines may have caused a mudslide that blocked a private road to five Pasadena homes with 150 tons of debris Monday night.

A winter weather advisory is in effect for the mountains of Ventura and Los Angeles counties, including the Antelope Valley. Snow might fall as low as the 1,000-foot level. Rain, freezing rain, sleet, and hail are possible.

Highways could freeze overnight, and conditions are expected to be dangerous on the 5 Freeway north of Los Angeles, Highway 14 and Highway 138.

Coleman said there is a 20-percent chance of rain Wednesday night and into Thursday. Most of the rain is expected in Riverside, San Bernardino and Orange counties.

More cold and windy conditions are forecast for Thursday.

[hiss srq]

It was snowing for a little while today this afternoon. I got the heck out of the tower lol. It was funny. I was like hey theres snow and someone yelled deiceing. I was like see ya! Went and toured the marine air terminal for a few minutes.

[nwafan20]

Don't worry, Al Gore will use this to his full advantage, but that's ok, most of the world just ignores him anyway... He will shut up once we get the cold weather.


:roll:
Feel free to comment minus the obvious underlying political issues you are portraying. The issue is the climate.

In another thread, you said " We are in the high-stage of a mini ice age that happened in the 60's and 70's, it is all a cycle."

So again I ask, how are those polar ice caps and glaciers going to reform?


Sorry for the late comment,

Over time my friend, you are looking in too little of a box, scientists are also reporting increased temperatures on Mars as well, I'm sure that's caused by global warming too ;). This cycle has happened many many many times before in the history of the earth, and will continue to happen many many many times. rises in Co2 are the RESULT of global warming (caused naturally by sunspot activity), not the effect.

[Iberia A340-600]

Just after classes got out it started to snow. It was funny to see everyone run outside and yell and jump for joy at the snow like they had never seen it before. They where more excited then my classmates in Madrid when they saw snow for the first time in 50 years.

At this moment it is snowing still and actually sticking some.

[nwafan20]

Just after classes got out it started to snow. It was funny to see everyone run outside and yell and jump for joy at the snow like they had never seen it before. They where more excited then my classmates in Madrid when they saw snow for the first time in 50 years.

At this moment it is snowing still and actually sticking some.

I'm sick of snow (and ice), you can have some of ours if you would like!

[hiss srq]

Due to the light coating of snow this morning at LGA the airport went into a frenzy. It was quite funny. OCS posted 148 minute delays on inbounds to LGA etc etc... and it was done and over by the time 9 am rolled around with 1/4 inch on the ground if that. I mean snow lift did not even gat a call about it.

[Iberia A340-600]

The snow is all gone now. :(

[moose135]

The snow is all gone now. :(

The snow is all gone now. :D

[SCOTYDEMCO]

I second that Moose!

[Iberia A340-600]

Well actually I agree with you guys as well, I'm happy that the snow is gone.

The only time I really appreciate snow is when it is snowing and when it causes snow days.