Allegiant Airlines, 78% load factor

[Midnight Mike]

Allegiant is putting up some impressive numbers!


Dec. 2006 Dec. 2005 Change
Passengers 213,627 127,258 67.9%
Revenue passenger miles 198,393 137,537 44.2%
Available seat miles 253,188 178,795 41.6%
Load factor 78.4% 76.9% 1.5 pts

http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/070104/lath102.html?.v=56

[T-Bird76]

Yes but are they making money? Load factors mean nothing, its all yeild baby!

[Midnight Mike]

Yes but are they making money? Load factors mean nothing, its all yeild baby!


Allegiant has been profitable for the last couple of years, if they were losing money, I would have never posted...... :lol:

[T-Bird76]

[quote="T-Bird76":5b940]Yes but are they making money? Load factors mean nothing, its all yeild baby!


Allegiant has been profitable for the last couple of years, if they were losing money, I would have never posted...... :lol:[/quote:5b940]

You Allegiant $lut you!

[Nonstop2AUH]

I don't know anything about the company's financials, but they recently went public, which would not be a smart move for an airline company today unless they thought they could make money pretty consistently. The stock is up from the IPO price, and you can see more about it and some news and financial info on Yahoo Finance, link below:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=algt

[RDU-JFK]

Do they fly to the tri-state area? If not, would expansion be in the cards?

[Tom_Turner]

Do they fly to the tri-state area? If not, would expansion be in the cards?

I believe they avoid anyplace where there will be direct competitioin - or even potential competition - on their routes.

They've come into EWR a handful of times and a couple of times in JFK I think - charters only. They were at Stewart not so long ago, but perhaps they were pulling out if I remember correctly.

How long can they fly the MD-80s is the question..

[T-Bird76]

They just said they were going to be pulling out of SWF. I guess B6 was the reason they are leaving. They seem to be picking up a number of used MDs rather then going for new planes. The CEO stated a few months back it was cheaper for them to buy second hand planes then have to pay for new planes and high fuel costs. Hey if it works it works.

[Tom_Turner]

That true.

American will still flying thiers for some time to come...and we all know about the NW DC-9s.

Are the MD-80s three man crew? I believe so.

[hiss srq]

They fly into the FRG's of the regions they service which mean small airport less delay prone... and in some cases centralized a little more for those who live far from the big cities. They also make quite a bit back on the charter side of things. Another reason they can remain profitable is becuase they really do not have a hub and spoke syustem most cities they serrve only fly to one or two cities from there safe for SFB and LAS so missconnect bags cost is nearly non existant than.

[T-Bird76]

That true.

American will still flying thiers for some time to come...and we all know about the NW DC-9s.

Are the MD-80s three man crew? I believe so.

Three man crew in the cockpit? MDs are a two men flight deck crew. Or are you talking about cabin.

[hiss srq]

I think tom was referring to the cabin crew (so I hope).... Its one for fifty in back and the Maddog cockpit is hellishly small as it is for two let alone three.

[Midnight Mike]

[quote="RDU-JFK":0cf85]Do they fly to the tri-state area? If not, would expansion be in the cards?

I believe they avoid anyplace where there will be direct competitioin - or even potential competition - on their routes.

They've come into EWR a handful of times and a couple of times in JFK I think - charters only. They were at Stewart not so long ago, but perhaps they were pulling out if I remember correctly.

How long can they fly the MD-80s is the question..[/quote:0cf85]

Northwest still operate the DC9, UPS is still operating the DC8.

As far as the MD80, Allegiant is operating the MD80's maybe as much as 8 hours per day. The aircraft do not fly into the evening hours, flights are no more than 4 hours per leg, basically out & back trips. 1 day a week, Allegiant 1 day a week, does not fly any aircraft, gives a chance for MX to be performed, if required....

So, as to how long? Probably when the 737NG start to be replaced by the 737NNG :lol:

[nwafan20]

Any company who is flying maddogs or Dc-9's is good in my book!! :D

[JetBlueAirwaysFan]

Hmm, I wonder if Allegiant could fly to KFRG?

[T-Bird76]

Hmm, I wonder if Allegiant could fly to KFRG?

Might have load restrictions, those runways are short and the Mad Dog is a pig on a hot summer day. No reason for them to come to FRG either, there's no market for them. People on the east end can go to ISP and on the west end LGA and JFK.

[hiss srq]

That sir would not suprise me in the least if they did. It would seem like the perfect airport to serve there are no viral infestations (LCC's) there yet like ISP, LGA, and JFK and not too many NIMBY people to bother about those lovely JT's on the back end of the bird.

[JetBlueAirwaysFan]

Me neither. Actually, I think that one of FRG's runways are longer than SNA's main runway, so I am positive that an MD-80 could use them. The only thing that I don't know about is the lack of facilities in FRG. But if Allegiant could fly there, that would be a nice luxury since ISP is turning into a mini-LGA with Southwest operating so many flights in and out of there.
As for market, Allegiant Air strikes me as the type of airline that breathes life into small airports. Look at SFB and SWF. Allegiant Air put a lot of life into these airports. Even though they recently pulled out of SWF, they brought life while they were there, and now JetBlue and AirTran will take over for them.

[T-Bird76]

Me neither. Actually, I think that one of FRG's runways are longer than SNA's main runway, so I am positive that an MD-80 could use them. The only thing that I don't know about is the lack of facilities in FRG. But if Allegiant could fly there, that would be a nice luxury since ISP is turning into a mini-LGA with Southwest operating so many flights in and out of there.
As for market, Allegiant Air strikes me as the type of airline that breathes life into small airports. Look at SFB and SWF. Allegiant Air put a lot of life into these airports. Even though they recently pulled out of SWF, they brought life while they were there, and now JetBlue and AirTran will take over for them.

The difference is SFB and SWF are far from any large airports, there was a need, there is no need on Long Island for service out of FRG. Plus AirTran and B6 drove them out. WN would destroy them on pricing out of ISP giving ppl no reason to use FRG

[Ari707]

SNA - 1L/19R 5701x150, 1R/19L -2887x75
FRG - 14/32 6827x150, 1/19 - 5516x150

[SengaB]

How many MD-83s does AAY have?

Senga

[nwafan20]

As of January 3rd 2007, they have 25:

5 MD-81
3 MD-82
14 MD-83
3 MD-87

[SengaB]

Oh ok Matt,
Do you know how many are painted like this?
http://www.jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=5840064
I saw one like this the other day on the ramp.

Senga

[nwafan20]

Senga, everything I know about Allegiant air is all I have learned from Wikipedia! lol! So I actually have no idea.

[Iberia A340-600]

Senga,

I hear they are pretty rare to see. I caught one at SWF that day when the MNG Cargo A300 was at SWF.

[JetBlueAirwaysFan]

I will just end my "argument" on the subject of FRG in saying that SFB is very close to MCO.

[Iberia A340-600]

I will just end my "argument" on the subject of FRG in saying that SFB is very close to MCO.

There is a major difference between SFB/MCO and FRG/JFK/EWR/LGA.

[hiss srq]

frg is like ORL which as an intresting note did have airline service in the form of dc-8's and 727's years ago i was told last night so it is not too far fetched to see airline service to frg

[moose135]

I wouldn't count on seeing airline (jet) service into FRG anytime soon. For starters, the local community would raise hell. And I just don't see the need for it - with the proximity to ISP and JFK/LGA there isn't much to gain by bringing service into FRG.

[SengaB]

Oh ok,
Thanks for the info Matt,

Gorson, I rember that day. I forgot if I saw it or now. I think it was still there. I was so happy about the MNG A300 that I didn't bother with the Alligiant old colors.

I did go out for the Alligiant old colors today and just my luick it was already there for me. It was delayed for about 1 hour.
My chances are pretty good at SFB as there can be atleast 5 AAY MD-80s on the ramp at the same time. It departed at 1030am for Huntington, WV (HTS) will be arriving back at SFB around 2:30pm so I'll go abck otu again to get the arrival.
http://www.nycaviation.com/hosting/AAY%20N862GA%20SFB27R%201-16-06-01.jpg
Senga

[hiss srq]

Senga be careful around SFB though their Opps people are very touchy. Ask Idle about that lol

[SengaB]

Thanks for the warning hiss.
hiss, its funny you should say that because I have pick up on that myself. SFB is worse than Nazi/EWR. The cops are EVERYWHERE. I have found it better to stay away from the airport itself as I just get bad vibes about the place- especially today. Every turn I take there a cop posted up there, creepi'n there. The City of Sanford is riddle with officers too. I don't think I have seen so many cops concentrated in such a small area. When they get to intersections they wait for you to pass, then sit there for 15 seconds and then drive just fast enough to catch up to you nice and slowly creepin up to you! I do know Orlando in general is not very nice to aviaiton photographers. To make it worse I pass the same cops several times and that makes things even worse at the airport. One officer today- we crossed paths 3 times today. I was just waiting for him to make a U-turn.
Senga

About Justin Idle I was planning on asking home about SFB. Did he have some experiences at SFB?

You know I was going to go back out again for the AAY in old colors again but I think I might pass that up.

Senga

[hiss srq]

I will have him answer for himself

[SengaB]

Ok,I hope hes monitoring this thread.
The room gets quiet.............
Senga